Intel Core i7-12700K & 12700KF CPU Review, Benchmarks, & Efficiency vs. AMD Ryzen
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Date: 2021-11-10
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ALX
From your graphs, I do not know what's interesting here to be honest. It leads the older processors from 2020 like 10th gen and 5000 series by a a single digit %, and demands a brand new Chipset on top of the DDR5 RAM, yes people are free to get mid range DDR4 but once Intel abandons the socket you are in the spitting distance of those processors of old era you gain the Z690 I/O but rest is a toss up. Why should anyone even buy these ? I do not know maybe 4th or 6th gen buyers ? The only impressive part is how P cores are brutally fast but they cannot put them more because 10nm ESF limitations. You guys didn't test without E cores, TPU did and Anandtech did what they are, and they are just padding for SMT workloads that's all and ZERO in gaming. And reaching to Ryzen 5000 after a year. It's a mediocre launch. Ryzen 5000 was a much better launch than this. And 9900K was a better launch as well. Best decision would be stick to AMD or 10th gen Intel and wait for 2024 for a much more sophisticated and mature DDR5 and PCIe5.0 platforms.
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From your graphs, I do not know what's interesting here to be honest. It leads the older processors from 2020 like 10th gen and 5000 series by a a single digit %, and demands a brand new Chipset on top of the DDR5 RAM, yes people are free to get mid range DDR4 but once Intel abandons the socket you are in the spitting distance of those processors of old era you gain the Z690 I/O but rest is a toss up. Why should anyone even buy these ? I do not know maybe 4th or 6th gen buyers ? The only impressive part is how P cores are brutally fast but they cannot put them more because 10nm ESF limitations. You guys didn't test without E cores, TPU did and Anandtech did what they are, and they are just padding for SMT workloads that's all and ZERO in gaming. And reaching to Ryzen 5000 after a year. It's a mediocre launch. Ryzen 5000 was a much better launch than this. And 9900K was a better launch as well. Best decision would be stick to AMD or 10th gen Intel and wait for 2024 for a much more sophisticated and mature DDR5 and PCIe5.0 platforms.
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riz
iGPUs are fairly important for people who want to build a professional rig at a budget, without discrete GPUs. Not all professional workloads are like Machine Learning or block-chain mining... requiring GPUs/GPGPUs.
I am one of them, so is a few of my teammates at work, my personal rig does not have a graphics card. Yet it had 32 gigs of RAM and 3 SSDs around 4 years ago.
If I was to build a rig now, I'd be looking at these new Intel CPUs or AMD 5900x (will add a sub- 50 gpu). Even the 8-core 5700G will probably cover my current requirements. If I can couple that with gen-4 SSDs and 64 GB ram, I have a machine that will run a whole load of virtual machines with high utilisation software running. I hope AMD will be releasing APUs with higher core count than 8.
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iGPUs are fairly important for people who want to build a professional rig at a budget, without discrete GPUs. Not all professional workloads are like Machine Learning or block-chain mining... requiring GPUs/GPGPUs.
I am one of them, so is a few of my teammates at work, my personal rig does not have a graphics card. Yet it had 32 gigs of RAM and 3 SSDs around 4 years ago.
If I was to build a rig now, I'd be looking at these new Intel CPUs or AMD 5900x (will add a sub- 50 gpu). Even the 8-core 5700G will probably cover my current requirements. If I can couple that with gen-4 SSDs and 64 GB ram, I have a machine that will run a whole load of virtual machines with high utilisation software running. I hope AMD will be releasing APUs with higher core count than 8.
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FunkadelicPeach
Just picked up a 12600k, 220 z690 Gigabyte Gaming X motherboard, and upgraded to Windows 11 and I have to say I am FLOORED with the performance. No bugs whatsoever, and the new OS/architecture make multitasking feel incredibly fluid and intentional. Streaming, having 20+ tabs open in chrome, gaming, listening to music, talking on discord, AND updating games all at the same time feels BUTTERY smooth. Even with 3200 DDR4. It's safe to say my expectations were EASILY exceeded. Definitely worth the 600, if you need a new CPU/mobo anyways. Wayyyyyy better and more future proof than buying a 5800x+b450/550 (at full cost), at this point in time.
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Just picked up a 12600k, 220 z690 Gigabyte Gaming X motherboard, and upgraded to Windows 11 and I have to say I am FLOORED with the performance. No bugs whatsoever, and the new OS/architecture make multitasking feel incredibly fluid and intentional. Streaming, having 20+ tabs open in chrome, gaming, listening to music, talking on discord, AND updating games all at the same time feels BUTTERY smooth. Even with 3200 DDR4. It's safe to say my expectations were EASILY exceeded. Definitely worth the 600, if you need a new CPU/mobo anyways. Wayyyyyy better and more future proof than buying a 5800x+b450/550 (at full cost), at this point in time.
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CeeWalsh
Horray the bench for the one i bought. I actually just got my ddr5 Crucial ram in the mail today (in a parcel, not a box so thats terrifying lmao) so will be getting setup tonight
Getting the parts has been an absolute hassal and no coolers come lga 1700 setup (you have to mail them), what a pain! I actually got my i7 recieved the day before halloween through a snafu from a vender and i havent been able to do anything until everything ELSE came in lol
My asus mobo actually has the lga 1200 cooler holes as well as lga 1700 so I was able to use my cooler's lga 1200. Its been fun lmao
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Horray the bench for the one i bought. I actually just got my ddr5 Crucial ram in the mail today (in a parcel, not a box so thats terrifying lmao) so will be getting setup tonight
Getting the parts has been an absolute hassal and no coolers come lga 1700 setup (you have to mail them), what a pain! I actually got my i7 recieved the day before halloween through a snafu from a vender and i havent been able to do anything until everything ELSE came in lol
My asus mobo actually has the lga 1200 cooler holes as well as lga 1700 so I was able to use my cooler's lga 1200. Its been fun lmao
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DPhyre
With how close Ryzen is to ADL in performance the price difference will be removed after the first 2-3 power bills, secondly AMD is already cutting prices on 5000 Series which brings them back to best performance per watt, I'm not going to jump on a small performance increase for double the power bill. Glad Intel is competitive against AMD hope they reign in power consumption on 13th gen. We're also comparing last gen where 5000 series was competing against 10th/11th gen, 6000 series will be the real proof if intel got ahead of AMD.
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With how close Ryzen is to ADL in performance the price difference will be removed after the first 2-3 power bills, secondly AMD is already cutting prices on 5000 Series which brings them back to best performance per watt, I'm not going to jump on a small performance increase for double the power bill. Glad Intel is competitive against AMD hope they reign in power consumption on 13th gen. We're also comparing last gen where 5000 series was competing against 10th/11th gen, 6000 series will be the real proof if intel got ahead of AMD.
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Clement
if the price difference is just like 20-30 bucks, one big advantage of having an iGPU, performance-aside, is for redundancy & helping with troubleshooting.
I'm still pushing an ancient 4690K & an old GTX 970, having the iGPU helped me with the process of troubleshooting my hardware issues that came down to a faulty DP cable, and in the meantime I still had a functional PC for work even with the GPU apparently out of action. Also good enough to play some indies in the meantime.
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if the price difference is just like 20-30 bucks, one big advantage of having an iGPU, performance-aside, is for redundancy & helping with troubleshooting.
I'm still pushing an ancient 4690K & an old GTX 970, having the iGPU helped me with the process of troubleshooting my hardware issues that came down to a faulty DP cable, and in the meantime I still had a functional PC for work even with the GPU apparently out of action. Also good enough to play some indies in the meantime.
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Who
In my opinion the Ryzen 5900X is the better deal then the 12700K! Only AMD needs to lower the price to be the best again in price. Both cpu's are about as fast. But the platform Ryzen X570 or B550 is much more matured, and does not have a DRM issue like the 12th gen has massive issues. Also the platform is cheaper. Intel only wins by single thread and multi core is about the same.
AMD needs to put the 5900X to 399 and the 5950X to 499 and would still be the best for bang!
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In my opinion the Ryzen 5900X is the better deal then the 12700K! Only AMD needs to lower the price to be the best again in price. Both cpu's are about as fast. But the platform Ryzen X570 or B550 is much more matured, and does not have a DRM issue like the 12th gen has massive issues. Also the platform is cheaper. Intel only wins by single thread and multi core is about the same.
AMD needs to put the 5900X to 399 and the 5950X to 499 and would still be the best for bang!
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Caleb
I get it and I don't at the same time... why does everyone compare performance between the two with the Intel using DDR5? That's giving the Intel an advantage that's not actually the CPU. I'd love to see some DDR4 comparisons to actually see how they stack up CPU vs CPU or if the only difference here is caused by the DDR5. DDR5 is EXPENSIVE and some people are certainly going to go ddr4 to save some money if they're upgrading now
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I get it and I don't at the same time... why does everyone compare performance between the two with the Intel using DDR5? That's giving the Intel an advantage that's not actually the CPU. I'd love to see some DDR4 comparisons to actually see how they stack up CPU vs CPU or if the only difference here is caused by the DDR5. DDR5 is EXPENSIVE and some people are certainly going to go ddr4 to save some money if they're upgrading now
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Zengrath
12700KF is definitely on my radar for gaming but given i'm likely not going to build a PC until maybe Mid--2022 i'm still likely to hold of to see what AMD does. But i love times like this with new tech coming out, it's all exciting and has me wanting to build a PC again, especially when my current one is a 6 year old 6600k rig.
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12700KF is definitely on my radar for gaming but given i'm likely not going to build a PC until maybe Mid--2022 i'm still likely to hold of to see what AMD does. But i love times like this with new tech coming out, it's all exciting and has me wanting to build a PC again, especially when my current one is a 6 year old 6600k rig.
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