HW News - AMD Backtracks, Intel Mining Operation, & X370 Gets Ryzen 5000 Support
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Date: 2022-01-23
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Xion
So, for your first headline, all I can really say is, Get off your effin high horse. and skip to the next segment. FFS, it was like listening to OC3D rant about the 5700XT stock blower cooler at max RPM for 15 minutes in a 20-minute review when it's not designed to run at more than half speed by default and is both quiet and performs well at half speed.
Now I'm going to take longer writing this comment than you spent researching this.
The reason they backpedaled a backpedal is because of legal reasons. Yes, they did it with intent. Both the removal and the reinstatement. But they cannot admit why they did either or they could be held accountable for false advertisement charges in a class action suit. It has to be passed off as a clerical or system error to minimize legal accountability. That aside, it's just marketing. Is it good marketing? No. Is it tacky? Yes. Was it effective? Yes for the 5500XT 8GB, then no for the 6500XT 4GB.
All this flak over a marketing stunt is missing the point that this card was made specifically to be fully unlocked for crypto-mining as they promised before, while also trying to make a graphics card that's viable for gamers but not miners. How else do you do that when so much mining hardware - and there are ETH ASICs - is so overpriced that graphics cards became an undervalued commodity that is much less expensive for their profitability than purpose-built hardware? They tried to make a gamer graphics card that would be exclusive to gamers in a market where miners aren't the only problem with the market. How do they make it for gamers and not miners or scalpers while also meeting a gaming performance quota and an MSRP quota in comparison to a generational launch pre CV-related shutdowns of production? Launching any graphics card in these conditions with those goals is going to be about as successful as a snowflake in the Sahara desert. As far as I am concerned, this launch is par for the course with current market problems. AMD tried to appease gamers while adhering to their promises to investors and existing contracts with suppliers. At least they tried to please everyone while Nvidia is content remaining tone-deaf and ignoring the plight of their public vocal fanbase. IIRC... It was mostly AMD and their AIBs that supplied LTT with graphics cards for their verified gamer program. So, maybe not drag them through the mud without paying respect to an attempt to appease gamers.
And before any replies call this post AMD shilling, or fanboy-ism: I've run both and don't have any brand loyalties. I shop by price to performance. Even in the current scalper inflation market.
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So, for your first headline, all I can really say is, Get off your effin high horse. and skip to the next segment. FFS, it was like listening to OC3D rant about the 5700XT stock blower cooler at max RPM for 15 minutes in a 20-minute review when it's not designed to run at more than half speed by default and is both quiet and performs well at half speed.
Now I'm going to take longer writing this comment than you spent researching this.
The reason they backpedaled a backpedal is because of legal reasons. Yes, they did it with intent. Both the removal and the reinstatement. But they cannot admit why they did either or they could be held accountable for false advertisement charges in a class action suit. It has to be passed off as a clerical or system error to minimize legal accountability. That aside, it's just marketing. Is it good marketing? No. Is it tacky? Yes. Was it effective? Yes for the 5500XT 8GB, then no for the 6500XT 4GB.
All this flak over a marketing stunt is missing the point that this card was made specifically to be fully unlocked for crypto-mining as they promised before, while also trying to make a graphics card that's viable for gamers but not miners. How else do you do that when so much mining hardware - and there are ETH ASICs - is so overpriced that graphics cards became an undervalued commodity that is much less expensive for their profitability than purpose-built hardware? They tried to make a gamer graphics card that would be exclusive to gamers in a market where miners aren't the only problem with the market. How do they make it for gamers and not miners or scalpers while also meeting a gaming performance quota and an MSRP quota in comparison to a generational launch pre CV-related shutdowns of production? Launching any graphics card in these conditions with those goals is going to be about as successful as a snowflake in the Sahara desert. As far as I am concerned, this launch is par for the course with current market problems. AMD tried to appease gamers while adhering to their promises to investors and existing contracts with suppliers. At least they tried to please everyone while Nvidia is content remaining tone-deaf and ignoring the plight of their public vocal fanbase. IIRC... It was mostly AMD and their AIBs that supplied LTT with graphics cards for their verified gamer program. So, maybe not drag them through the mud without paying respect to an attempt to appease gamers.
And before any replies call this post AMD shilling, or fanboy-ism: I've run both and don't have any brand loyalties. I shop by price to performance. Even in the current scalper inflation market.
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Cam
interesting to think about intel gpus in terms of establishing market share. we as consumers can sometimes have a hard time making guesses about how long-term companies are willing to think, considering things like the activision layoffs->bonuses pipeline from last year or the year before or whenever.
if intel treats crypto like the bubble it is and does value staking their claim on the dgpu market, it'll be great for gaming gpu consumers-but if they either don't see crypto going away or they don't care about how short-term profiting from the frenzy around it is, then the only way they could possibly have incentive to sell to gamers over miners is if they actually come out with such a huge volume of product that they can't move all of them, i would think.
unless i'm not aware of the consumer war going the other way-if there were no gamers trying to buy cards too, would crypto miners get all the cards they can afford to run whenever they wanted, at msrp? it's hard to see a relationship defined by what the consumers think is literally money printing having a finite demand. but then again, i haven't heard a thing about the nvidia mining card since it released(though i'm not a miner) so maybe gamer demand is driving the scam that is gpu crypto to a greater extent than common knowledge would say.
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interesting to think about intel gpus in terms of establishing market share. we as consumers can sometimes have a hard time making guesses about how long-term companies are willing to think, considering things like the activision layoffs->bonuses pipeline from last year or the year before or whenever.
if intel treats crypto like the bubble it is and does value staking their claim on the dgpu market, it'll be great for gaming gpu consumers-but if they either don't see crypto going away or they don't care about how short-term profiting from the frenzy around it is, then the only way they could possibly have incentive to sell to gamers over miners is if they actually come out with such a huge volume of product that they can't move all of them, i would think.
unless i'm not aware of the consumer war going the other way-if there were no gamers trying to buy cards too, would crypto miners get all the cards they can afford to run whenever they wanted, at msrp? it's hard to see a relationship defined by what the consumers think is literally money printing having a finite demand. but then again, i haven't heard a thing about the nvidia mining card since it released(though i'm not a miner) so maybe gamer demand is driving the scam that is gpu crypto to a greater extent than common knowledge would say.
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Scyphe
From the rumors I've seen/heard, Intel are planning/working on an ASIC aimed at Ethereum and possibly other block chain variants, possibly designing a more general purpose crypto mining ASIC that will be aimed at the low/mid-range mining customer, making graphics cards for mining uninteresting. This is just a rumor so take it with a handful of salt. The biggest savings would obviously come from the ultra-low power usage which has the biggest effect on net income and perhaps a lower purchase price to include hobbyist/low volume miners. I really hope it's true but we'll see.
Nvidia would probably add their own SHA-256/blockchain cores to their upcoming Geforce 4xxx/5xxx-series to keep their sales to crypto miners, the scourge of every PC gamer.
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From the rumors I've seen/heard, Intel are planning/working on an ASIC aimed at Ethereum and possibly other block chain variants, possibly designing a more general purpose crypto mining ASIC that will be aimed at the low/mid-range mining customer, making graphics cards for mining uninteresting. This is just a rumor so take it with a handful of salt. The biggest savings would obviously come from the ultra-low power usage which has the biggest effect on net income and perhaps a lower purchase price to include hobbyist/low volume miners. I really hope it's true but we'll see.
Nvidia would probably add their own SHA-256/blockchain cores to their upcoming Geforce 4xxx/5xxx-series to keep their sales to crypto miners, the scourge of every PC gamer.
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Lucid
i see the main issue being ludicrous texture files in most games. For example, the 50+ gigabytes fir the fallout 4 hd texture pack. Modders come and produce better texture packs for one 10th or 20th of the size.
Plenty of games are coming out with ludicrous textures now, for zero reason bar bragging rights. I lost my shit when a modder optimized the fallout 4 hd textures with no quality loss and saved like 40gb.
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i see the main issue being ludicrous texture files in most games. For example, the 50+ gigabytes fir the fallout 4 hd texture pack. Modders come and produce better texture packs for one 10th or 20th of the size.
Plenty of games are coming out with ludicrous textures now, for zero reason bar bragging rights. I lost my shit when a modder optimized the fallout 4 hd textures with no quality loss and saved like 40gb.
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Evil
Well.. we all know intels priorities now... nobody is getting gpus anytime soon...
I already gave up and bought the 6900xt red devil at msrp for a whooping 1525 ... in my area it was either that or a 3080 for 1600 0.0
I may never again pay 1.6k for a gpu for the rest of my life... these are some dark times :( been waiting since December 2020 for prices to drop, they never did.
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Well.. we all know intels priorities now... nobody is getting gpus anytime soon...
I already gave up and bought the 6900xt red devil at msrp for a whooping 1525 ... in my area it was either that or a 3080 for 1600 0.0
I may never again pay 1.6k for a gpu for the rest of my life... these are some dark times :( been waiting since December 2020 for prices to drop, they never did.
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skaltura
RX 6500 XT would be good if it was 100 .
Sadly there is no cheap GPUs, and everything is short. So .... Media prefers no entry level GPU released at all? Only GPUs at 600 + each are eligible? x4 is quite limiting tho
LOL! RX 6500 XT already costs almost 400 here. Got to be selling like hot pancakes for price to increase rapidly
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RX 6500 XT would be good if it was 100 .
Sadly there is no cheap GPUs, and everything is short. So .... Media prefers no entry level GPU released at all? Only GPUs at 600 + each are eligible? x4 is quite limiting tho
LOL! RX 6500 XT already costs almost 400 here. Got to be selling like hot pancakes for price to increase rapidly
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Cmdr
The PS4 is being kept alive because Sony has nothing in the budget Series S space, hence making the decision a year ago. It's not PS5 shortages, nobody waiting on a PS5 is going to buy a PS4, that's just a lazy PR narrative. It's still with us because Microsoft were sensible enough to target both audiences.
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The PS4 is being kept alive because Sony has nothing in the budget Series S space, hence making the decision a year ago. It's not PS5 shortages, nobody waiting on a PS5 is going to buy a PS4, that's just a lazy PR narrative. It's still with us because Microsoft were sensible enough to target both audiences.
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Maciej
Guys, it's second time you are repeating wrong information that memory is copied from RAM to vRAM through CPU. That's not true, this copy operation is ordered to DMA engines and IS NOT passing though CPU (with exception of dirty cache).
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Guys, it's second time you are repeating wrong information that memory is copied from RAM to vRAM through CPU. That's not true, this copy operation is ordered to DMA engines and IS NOT passing though CPU (with exception of dirty cache).
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The
Great to see you touched on the 3080 12gb and not like linus not giving a f about nvidia products while ripping amd for 6500xt
You and hardware unboxed are the only 2 reviewers I trust with my actual money if I want to buy something
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Great to see you touched on the 3080 12gb and not like linus not giving a f about nvidia products while ripping amd for 6500xt
You and hardware unboxed are the only 2 reviewers I trust with my actual money if I want to buy something
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