Stop Saying This: No Bad Products
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1) Turtle Beach headsets, anytime I'd get one, each one would break on the earcup hinges, or the cables would peel/fray or the wires would bunch up in the cable thus would cause audio issues.
2) (2015) Best Buy's Insignia Flex - tablet - Android 5.0 (Lollipop) - 16 GB: A tablet I got because of a long trip I was going on, for a week it worked great but... after that it started to slow down and bug out. Almost after a year it was getting worse, luckily by that time I had gotten my first smartphone, a major step up from my old text/call phones. After nearly two years the tablet gave out and died, no charging, no turning on, nothing!
3) Skull Candy Ink'd bluetooth earbuds: A year later the left earbud gave out.
4) Samsung Galaxy Buds+: Although they are not the worst, but compared to my previous BT EBs from TrebLab XR500, the Buds+ sound quality is lower, the buds tend to pop out so much that I had to get a long piece of string and attach them together so either one would stop popping out and falling on the floor/ground, but will give the Buds+ this.. they do last a few hours longer than any previous EBs I've had, without the use of the charging case.
Date: 2022-01-25
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poipoi300
No bad products is definitely untrue even if you give it a lot of chances. Let's assume for a second that the free product you can turn into scrap for money is still a product (it's not, it's actually a job). Then it might be a good product for you, but it's most likely a monumentally bad product for whoever is distributing it. There are costs associated wth distribution. This idea is something that takes nuance, and should always be considered on a per-product basis. Even then though, it's not particularly useful, and the answer will always vary depending on who uses or would use it. For you and me, the 6500xt is a bad product. I wouldn't want it for free. For someone who has a super old graphics card and gets it for free? That's a good product for them. Of course free is unrealistic here, but the idea isn't exactly price feasibility for the 6500xt in particular. That's another thing actually about the only bad prices idea. It can completely ignore the reality of the situation. Like the scrap example, who in their right mind would spend money to give you something with sell value for nothing in return?
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No bad products is definitely untrue even if you give it a lot of chances. Let's assume for a second that the free product you can turn into scrap for money is still a product (it's not, it's actually a job). Then it might be a good product for you, but it's most likely a monumentally bad product for whoever is distributing it. There are costs associated wth distribution. This idea is something that takes nuance, and should always be considered on a per-product basis. Even then though, it's not particularly useful, and the answer will always vary depending on who uses or would use it. For you and me, the 6500xt is a bad product. I wouldn't want it for free. For someone who has a super old graphics card and gets it for free? That's a good product for them. Of course free is unrealistic here, but the idea isn't exactly price feasibility for the 6500xt in particular. That's another thing actually about the only bad prices idea. It can completely ignore the reality of the situation. Like the scrap example, who in their right mind would spend money to give you something with sell value for nothing in return?
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haziqsembilanlima
There is no point defending RX 6500 XT simply it's a laptop dgpu . nvidia still offers full x16 lanes even for mobile and intel bumped up CPU PCIe lanes since Tiger Lake to allow more bandwidth from dgpu that x16 to dgpu is possible. Only AMD mixes different PCIe config for their mobile dgpu and now they admit that they'll be having x4 and cut the media engine
AMD has been intentionally limiting their mobile APU by making it gen3 on Cezanne and even limiting the PCIe lanes to GPU to x8. They are planning something that's much worse in hardware decision that give birth to that sorry excuse of Navi24 as part of the plan. The worst part of it is these changes are nontransparent so you can only dream to see the complete picture. intel being intel, they are still transparent in technical specifications even for end user.
At least with Alder Lake, people are no longer stuck with AMD as intel mobile on 8th to 10th gen is absolutely terrible. Will AMD change? Probably not looking at how much their followers giving free passes that they don't need someone internally to give explanations.
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There is no point defending RX 6500 XT simply it's a laptop dgpu . nvidia still offers full x16 lanes even for mobile and intel bumped up CPU PCIe lanes since Tiger Lake to allow more bandwidth from dgpu that x16 to dgpu is possible. Only AMD mixes different PCIe config for their mobile dgpu and now they admit that they'll be having x4 and cut the media engine
AMD has been intentionally limiting their mobile APU by making it gen3 on Cezanne and even limiting the PCIe lanes to GPU to x8. They are planning something that's much worse in hardware decision that give birth to that sorry excuse of Navi24 as part of the plan. The worst part of it is these changes are nontransparent so you can only dream to see the complete picture. intel being intel, they are still transparent in technical specifications even for end user.
At least with Alder Lake, people are no longer stuck with AMD as intel mobile on 8th to 10th gen is absolutely terrible. Will AMD change? Probably not looking at how much their followers giving free passes that they don't need someone internally to give explanations.
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Blue
Maybe you could do a small periodic series of just legitimately awful products if you had to cut this list short whenever you get enough ideas to put more out lol.
I think a lot of people just like to operate on absolutes no matter how fallacious the statement is just in an effort to simplify things so that they don't have to put effort in. Hence this is useless even though it serves a use even if it's a limited niche use like the 6500xt as an example there where it could be something for someone and price is also bad but doesn't really deliver to the wider audience or people saying things like this with the only bad prices. I've seen people try to position an argument in response to a statement JUST because someone didn't think of every possible way someone could misunderstand it or twist it in order to rule someone 'extracting' more from it than the statement itself even if their argument is based on a claim that was never made or just general internet argument nonsense.
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Maybe you could do a small periodic series of just legitimately awful products if you had to cut this list short whenever you get enough ideas to put more out lol.
I think a lot of people just like to operate on absolutes no matter how fallacious the statement is just in an effort to simplify things so that they don't have to put effort in. Hence this is useless even though it serves a use even if it's a limited niche use like the 6500xt as an example there where it could be something for someone and price is also bad but doesn't really deliver to the wider audience or people saying things like this with the only bad prices. I've seen people try to position an argument in response to a statement JUST because someone didn't think of every possible way someone could misunderstand it or twist it in order to rule someone 'extracting' more from it than the statement itself even if their argument is based on a claim that was never made or just general internet argument nonsense.
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Thomas
One bad product i can think of is the HG 1/144 gundam tristan. It was a model kit released in the late 2010s. However, the engineering of all the parts reflected a model kit made in 2003, meaning poor parts separation, underwhelming articulation (mind you the tristan design is a standard gundam design so no weird geometry that hinders articulation if engineered to modern standards), and overall it felt dated on day one. A lot of people were trying to justify it by saying: Well you can just mod it with modern joints from other kits . Yes, yes you could. However, at that point where do you draw the line between you modding the tristan to modern standards, or just butchering the outer shell to make a similar gundam look like the tristan? Most modding videos of the kit tend to fall on the latter. At that point, the tristan cant even stand on its own merit. Therefore, it is a bad product.
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One bad product i can think of is the HG 1/144 gundam tristan. It was a model kit released in the late 2010s. However, the engineering of all the parts reflected a model kit made in 2003, meaning poor parts separation, underwhelming articulation (mind you the tristan design is a standard gundam design so no weird geometry that hinders articulation if engineered to modern standards), and overall it felt dated on day one. A lot of people were trying to justify it by saying: Well you can just mod it with modern joints from other kits . Yes, yes you could. However, at that point where do you draw the line between you modding the tristan to modern standards, or just butchering the outer shell to make a similar gundam look like the tristan? Most modding videos of the kit tend to fall on the latter. At that point, the tristan cant even stand on its own merit. Therefore, it is a bad product.
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Max
I'm in FULL agreement with Gamers Nexus but feel they should go FURTHER, with the definition of useless garbage (my words not theirs). In that LOG4J has exposed NINETY SIX exploits in the Windows Software (Operating System). Now, if a car was not recalled when it had that many DEFECTS, it would explode and kill everyone who drove it. Oh, but, the fact that it can be patched means we shouldn't hold it to any standards , you say? HOW BOUT, before the OS is patched anybody who knows to look for it, (and most attack pages do) can infect your computer, INCLUDING your kernel, and FIRMWARE, when your firmware is infected, they have DESTROYED YOUR HARDWARE. The fact that hackers are more interested in stealing your data and money than causing fires is the ONLY reason why all infected computers aren't exploding.Microsoft IS RESPONSIBLE, need to be held to account, and WINDOW is a BAD PRODUCT!
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I'm in FULL agreement with Gamers Nexus but feel they should go FURTHER, with the definition of useless garbage (my words not theirs). In that LOG4J has exposed NINETY SIX exploits in the Windows Software (Operating System). Now, if a car was not recalled when it had that many DEFECTS, it would explode and kill everyone who drove it. Oh, but, the fact that it can be patched means we shouldn't hold it to any standards , you say? HOW BOUT, before the OS is patched anybody who knows to look for it, (and most attack pages do) can infect your computer, INCLUDING your kernel, and FIRMWARE, when your firmware is infected, they have DESTROYED YOUR HARDWARE. The fact that hackers are more interested in stealing your data and money than causing fires is the ONLY reason why all infected computers aren't exploding.Microsoft IS RESPONSIBLE, need to be held to account, and WINDOW is a BAD PRODUCT!
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cyrkielnetwork
Bad product with low price tag is still bad product. It can be good deal, but it's stil bad product. If they sale 3080 for 100 but with crapy cooling couses to overheat and shut of or damge it would be bad product. It woul be great deal, becouse you could swap cooling and have very good product, but what they sell would still be bad product. If they sell 1050 with super beefy cooling for quite good price considering used part, but significantly higher that regular, reliable 1050 it stil would be bad product. Also it's possible that good procudt have just to high price, but product is stil good.
Any idiot can build a bridge that stands, but it takes an engineer to build a bridge that barely stands. It's similar with every other thing. If you overspec, underspec or overspect to cover mistakes and shortucts made somwhere else you don't do your job correctly.
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Bad product with low price tag is still bad product. It can be good deal, but it's stil bad product. If they sale 3080 for 100 but with crapy cooling couses to overheat and shut of or damge it would be bad product. It woul be great deal, becouse you could swap cooling and have very good product, but what they sell would still be bad product. If they sell 1050 with super beefy cooling for quite good price considering used part, but significantly higher that regular, reliable 1050 it stil would be bad product. Also it's possible that good procudt have just to high price, but product is stil good.
Any idiot can build a bridge that stands, but it takes an engineer to build a bridge that barely stands. It's similar with every other thing. If you overspec, underspec or overspect to cover mistakes and shortucts made somwhere else you don't do your job correctly.
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David
Doesn t this depend on how you define the term bad ?
A lot of the examples you used are down right dangerous, hazardous and lethal. Sure, if that s your definition of bad, then not even a bargain basement price can redeem that product.
The saying there are no bad products; just bad prices became a common remark by Anand Lal Shimpi during the Intel NetBurst, AMD Phenom and Bulldozer, Nvidia FX 5000, and ATI R600 fiascos. In those instances, for example R600 vs G80, the slower product (R600) was redeemed by being appropriately priced, and in fact priced with a superior performance-per-dollar to its closest rival (2900 XT being priced against the 8800 GTS 640MB). In such instances, you can absolutely argue that a bad product can be redeemed by good pricing. More recent examples would be the Intel Core i5 10600 or 11600.
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Doesn t this depend on how you define the term bad ?
A lot of the examples you used are down right dangerous, hazardous and lethal. Sure, if that s your definition of bad, then not even a bargain basement price can redeem that product.
The saying there are no bad products; just bad prices became a common remark by Anand Lal Shimpi during the Intel NetBurst, AMD Phenom and Bulldozer, Nvidia FX 5000, and ATI R600 fiascos. In those instances, for example R600 vs G80, the slower product (R600) was redeemed by being appropriately priced, and in fact priced with a superior performance-per-dollar to its closest rival (2900 XT being priced against the 8800 GTS 640MB). In such instances, you can absolutely argue that a bad product can be redeemed by good pricing. More recent examples would be the Intel Core i5 10600 or 11600.
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itech
your video got me thinking...what is a product. when we do our value analysis does it assume perfect knowledge of all aspects of it? (if we had that i guess we wouldn't need reviewers...but since the world is not an ideal place and indeed sometimes sellers lie) most of the time we don't know that something is dangerous or falls short of advertising and knowledge of this can move a product from being a reasonable price to a bad price (...and beyond!) :-) yeah if we allowed negative pricing then we could see i'll give you a million dollars to take this monkeys paw from me...
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your video got me thinking...what is a product. when we do our value analysis does it assume perfect knowledge of all aspects of it? (if we had that i guess we wouldn't need reviewers...but since the world is not an ideal place and indeed sometimes sellers lie) most of the time we don't know that something is dangerous or falls short of advertising and knowledge of this can move a product from being a reasonable price to a bad price (...and beyond!) :-) yeah if we allowed negative pricing then we could see i'll give you a million dollars to take this monkeys paw from me...
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shane
G'day Steve,
This was a fun video, Yes while there are products that need a lower price relative to their performance to make them better Value, the problem is the comment says 'there are NO BAD Products' to which I agree there are.
My thoughts on that Comment that was something like 'If you get it for free you can take it, then just Scrap it for money'
is it even good Scrap value if it costs you more for the transport to pick up the item plus travel to & from the Recycler than the amount you receive for the product? I would say No.
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G'day Steve,
This was a fun video, Yes while there are products that need a lower price relative to their performance to make them better Value, the problem is the comment says 'there are NO BAD Products' to which I agree there are.
My thoughts on that Comment that was something like 'If you get it for free you can take it, then just Scrap it for money'
is it even good Scrap value if it costs you more for the transport to pick up the item plus travel to & from the Recycler than the amount you receive for the product? I would say No.
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