Best Motherboards for Ryzen 3000 CPUs: X570 vs. X470 & B450
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Date: 2020-05-06
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Charles
Like others, no mention of the mATX for those who wants a mini tower, the only one being a ASRock X570, kind of stripped down due to space. Probably good enough for up to a 3700X, but no more. Just make sure to get a mini tower case with 120mm intake/exhaust fans & maybe some cooling on top by a filter, rather than solid. There are some of these cases which will accent certain Noctua lower profile coolers & dual fans (push/pull) won't hurt. Yet again, not for the 3800X or larger, 3700X max & probably decent with the 3600/3600X. Some makes out not having twin M. 2 PCIe 4. 0 slots is a dealbreaker, yet one can use an add-on card to place a 2nd PCIe 4. 0 (or 3. 0) card into the 2nd GPU slot (surly there'll be PCIe 4. 0 adapter cards soon, if not already. Has worked for me beginning with the low cost & still available new (AM3+) ASRock 970M Pro3 at Newegg, which doesn't have a M. 2 slot, however the last BIOS update included NVMe support. I have two of these MB's rocking MyDigitalSSD (Phison 7 based) MLC based PCIe 3. 0 SSD's, although write speeds are the max at 1, 500MB/sec, reads drops to that same speed. Not bad for a 65 MB & 3x faster than a SATA-3 SSD, even on PCIe 2. 0. However, my best success is running PCIe 3. 0 NVMe SSD's in this manner is on the Z97 chipset, where only certain MB's provides full speed, the ASRock Z97 Extreme6 being an exception, having both Ultra M. 2 & another for SATA-3 (or x2 based NVMe) SSD. Best of all, runs cooler on the adapter card versus on a hot MB & the X570 has more lanes than Z97. Fewer runs dual GPU's anymore, so why not take advantage of the 2nd slot? Just be sure not to use the last, only the one next to the primary GPU slot. I agree with Gamers Nexus here, the best picks are in the 250-300 range, 700 for a MB is way out of line for the X570. There'll be no NVMe SSD's (unless Samsung released a 980 PRO at PCIe 4. 0) that doubles the speed of PCIe 3. 0 drives & likely won't make that much of a difference anyway, especially when heated & throttles. Plus AMD announced that AM4 will be retired in 2020, so one more CPU release & hopefully, PCIe 5. 0 will emerge. I cannot see developing a new socket for a short usage span & PCIe 5. 0 is on schedule to be released in 2021 (with massive improvements in speed, especially on the video side (HDMI 2. 1 & Displayport 2. 0.
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Like others, no mention of the mATX for those who wants a mini tower, the only one being a ASRock X570, kind of stripped down due to space. Probably good enough for up to a 3700X, but no more. Just make sure to get a mini tower case with 120mm intake/exhaust fans & maybe some cooling on top by a filter, rather than solid. There are some of these cases which will accent certain Noctua lower profile coolers & dual fans (push/pull) won't hurt. Yet again, not for the 3800X or larger, 3700X max & probably decent with the 3600/3600X. Some makes out not having twin M. 2 PCIe 4. 0 slots is a dealbreaker, yet one can use an add-on card to place a 2nd PCIe 4. 0 (or 3. 0) card into the 2nd GPU slot (surly there'll be PCIe 4. 0 adapter cards soon, if not already. Has worked for me beginning with the low cost & still available new (AM3+) ASRock 970M Pro3 at Newegg, which doesn't have a M. 2 slot, however the last BIOS update included NVMe support. I have two of these MB's rocking MyDigitalSSD (Phison 7 based) MLC based PCIe 3. 0 SSD's, although write speeds are the max at 1, 500MB/sec, reads drops to that same speed. Not bad for a 65 MB & 3x faster than a SATA-3 SSD, even on PCIe 2. 0. However, my best success is running PCIe 3. 0 NVMe SSD's in this manner is on the Z97 chipset, where only certain MB's provides full speed, the ASRock Z97 Extreme6 being an exception, having both Ultra M. 2 & another for SATA-3 (or x2 based NVMe) SSD. Best of all, runs cooler on the adapter card versus on a hot MB & the X570 has more lanes than Z97. Fewer runs dual GPU's anymore, so why not take advantage of the 2nd slot? Just be sure not to use the last, only the one next to the primary GPU slot. I agree with Gamers Nexus here, the best picks are in the 250-300 range, 700 for a MB is way out of line for the X570. There'll be no NVMe SSD's (unless Samsung released a 980 PRO at PCIe 4. 0) that doubles the speed of PCIe 3. 0 drives & likely won't make that much of a difference anyway, especially when heated & throttles. Plus AMD announced that AM4 will be retired in 2020, so one more CPU release & hopefully, PCIe 5. 0 will emerge. I cannot see developing a new socket for a short usage span & PCIe 5. 0 is on schedule to be released in 2021 (with massive improvements in speed, especially on the video side (HDMI 2. 1 & Displayport 2. 0.
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Rory
Cool video, I want to upgrade soon and we'll there are any of boards. What was or is over looked by you guys is intact that gen speeds. Back in my day, 16x and 4x was a bad thing. Of course the speed is entirely different. And the system bottlenecks are also different. See id not be looking at a board for it's LAN and all the boards saying 6 GB/s as a selling point is a joke. As we should all know 12gb/s is old tech (2004) Gig Lan is very old/slow and boards need to have 2-10gig LAN, but then that's down to useage. I would be looking at m. 2 due to speed, but then it's down to the ram speed and CPU lanes to work all that together. After all we only want a system that's bottles by maybe it's LAN only. As we have internal Lan speeds, but then there is the web speed which really does need to make headway then profits and false markets. (Since I dev'd 145MB/s WiFi wan back in 2005-2007, I've never really known why ISP offer poor speeds) What's the view of SAN? (Not Nas) as it would be to push a system as a stand alone unit and fast cache rather than a chugger of a SSD/HDD/m. 2 on board for storage, esp. when it can be off board and pve booted.
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Cool video, I want to upgrade soon and we'll there are any of boards. What was or is over looked by you guys is intact that gen speeds. Back in my day, 16x and 4x was a bad thing. Of course the speed is entirely different. And the system bottlenecks are also different. See id not be looking at a board for it's LAN and all the boards saying 6 GB/s as a selling point is a joke. As we should all know 12gb/s is old tech (2004) Gig Lan is very old/slow and boards need to have 2-10gig LAN, but then that's down to useage. I would be looking at m. 2 due to speed, but then it's down to the ram speed and CPU lanes to work all that together. After all we only want a system that's bottles by maybe it's LAN only. As we have internal Lan speeds, but then there is the web speed which really does need to make headway then profits and false markets. (Since I dev'd 145MB/s WiFi wan back in 2005-2007, I've never really known why ISP offer poor speeds) What's the view of SAN? (Not Nas) as it would be to push a system as a stand alone unit and fast cache rather than a chugger of a SSD/HDD/m. 2 on board for storage, esp. when it can be off board and pve booted.
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Nytemere
I have the Gigabyte Aorus Master X570 and not in love with it! The BIOS can be confusing (same settings on multiple pages, the SIV (used to set fan curves) and EasyTune software (not used but still checked it out) have failed to open, causing multiple re-installs to fix. Another weird thing is once in a while the BIOS boot screen does not show and it goes right into Windows 10, or the BIOS post screens appears in weird colors instead of Black, white, and grey like it it supposed to be. The audio is good but toted as a high end DAC/audio solution, yet sounds good but not wow (easily beaten by my Denon X3500 HDMI sound, Focusrite 18i20 audio interface, and my Khadas Tone Board DAC. Of all the components of my new build, it is the only one I regret getting! Fan Ramping has been the biggest issue; I had to modify the fan curves to stop my DeepCool Castle 360EX and MSI MPG Gungnir 100 fans to stop ramping up and down constantly. I have used Asus for my last 3 computer builds, but wanted to try something else. I have debated returning it and going with something else, as it is a lot of money for something that has been problematic.
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I have the Gigabyte Aorus Master X570 and not in love with it! The BIOS can be confusing (same settings on multiple pages, the SIV (used to set fan curves) and EasyTune software (not used but still checked it out) have failed to open, causing multiple re-installs to fix. Another weird thing is once in a while the BIOS boot screen does not show and it goes right into Windows 10, or the BIOS post screens appears in weird colors instead of Black, white, and grey like it it supposed to be. The audio is good but toted as a high end DAC/audio solution, yet sounds good but not wow (easily beaten by my Denon X3500 HDMI sound, Focusrite 18i20 audio interface, and my Khadas Tone Board DAC. Of all the components of my new build, it is the only one I regret getting! Fan Ramping has been the biggest issue; I had to modify the fan curves to stop my DeepCool Castle 360EX and MSI MPG Gungnir 100 fans to stop ramping up and down constantly. I have used Asus for my last 3 computer builds, but wanted to try something else. I have debated returning it and going with something else, as it is a lot of money for something that has been problematic.
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MrCougar214
I am thinking about jumping ship from Intel to AMD. I want to buy the Rizen 9 3900X but my issue is I'm hearing all these stories of how the motherboard won't post if the board isn't updated to work with the R9 cpu. So now I'm at the point where I'm thinking to myself OK, I am NOT! spending the money for the R9 if I then have to buy a damn R5 or something JUST TO BE ABLE TO POST TO FLASH A BIOS UPDATE! So my question is, which ASUS board is ready out of the box for the Rizen 9 3900X? Because if I can't just buy a damn cpu and board and go, I'm just gonna stick with my damn Intel!
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I am thinking about jumping ship from Intel to AMD. I want to buy the Rizen 9 3900X but my issue is I'm hearing all these stories of how the motherboard won't post if the board isn't updated to work with the R9 cpu. So now I'm at the point where I'm thinking to myself OK, I am NOT! spending the money for the R9 if I then have to buy a damn R5 or something JUST TO BE ABLE TO POST TO FLASH A BIOS UPDATE! So my question is, which ASUS board is ready out of the box for the Rizen 9 3900X? Because if I can't just buy a damn cpu and board and go, I'm just gonna stick with my damn Intel!
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Mark
I'm sorry how can you criticize a cheap board for having an awful VRM heatsink solution 7: 08 and then at the same time criticize a very expensive water block VRM heatsink claming it doesn't even need a heatsink. 14: 10 doesn't need a heatsink. What? Isn't someone WAAAAY more likely to push the VRMs on an expensive board than someone is on a super budget board? I just don't understand how you can say these things in the same context/video. I suppose you could be speaking in hyperbole, and Im not in the market for either product. but I'm just confused at this journalism lol
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I'm sorry how can you criticize a cheap board for having an awful VRM heatsink solution 7: 08 and then at the same time criticize a very expensive water block VRM heatsink claming it doesn't even need a heatsink. 14: 10 doesn't need a heatsink. What? Isn't someone WAAAAY more likely to push the VRMs on an expensive board than someone is on a super budget board? I just don't understand how you can say these things in the same context/video. I suppose you could be speaking in hyperbole, and Im not in the market for either product. but I'm just confused at this journalism lol
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WoOsKii
THANKS! This video clears things up for me; I've been looking at that 200 Asus Tuf X570 board, but, due to the price being so cheap, yet still retaining most of the same features of more expensive ones, I've been feeling like I might be missing something or that it's a bad board or maybe something else. SO, is the ASUS TUF Gaming X570 as good a deal as it seems? Any reason not to get it? I haven't built a CPU in a decade, so learning everything new (like, what's the deal with nvme storage? or figuring out AMD/ Intel CPU naming) can be a bit overwhelming LoL.
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THANKS! This video clears things up for me; I've been looking at that 200 Asus Tuf X570 board, but, due to the price being so cheap, yet still retaining most of the same features of more expensive ones, I've been feeling like I might be missing something or that it's a bad board or maybe something else. SO, is the ASUS TUF Gaming X570 as good a deal as it seems? Any reason not to get it? I haven't built a CPU in a decade, so learning everything new (like, what's the deal with nvme storage? or figuring out AMD/ Intel CPU naming) can be a bit overwhelming LoL.
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F1shyBRO
Warning for anyone thinking about buying a b450 tomahawk max that I just built a pc with. I have been having cold boot and sleep issues and learned it had todo with the latest version of the bios. I saw other people complaining about the same problems (including the non max board) and suggested a bios version that solves those issues but I haven't tried downloading it because I don't trust myself + my pc works fine if I disable sleep and some other settings
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Warning for anyone thinking about buying a b450 tomahawk max that I just built a pc with. I have been having cold boot and sleep issues and learned it had todo with the latest version of the bios. I saw other people complaining about the same problems (including the non max board) and suggested a bios version that solves those issues but I haven't tried downloading it because I don't trust myself + my pc works fine if I disable sleep and some other settings
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[HUN]AntaresSQ01
How does t he MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge Wifi stack up against the others in terms of VRM? It seems to have bios flashback, Wifi, 2. 5gb realtek lan and I bought one for like 180, Seems like a pretty good deal unless VRM lets it down if that's the case I'll just refund it for an aorus elite but the thing is i kinda need bluetooth and for some reason they just simply don't sell wifi versions of the TUF or Aorus Elite board in the UK
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How does t he MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge Wifi stack up against the others in terms of VRM? It seems to have bios flashback, Wifi, 2. 5gb realtek lan and I bought one for like 180, Seems like a pretty good deal unless VRM lets it down if that's the case I'll just refund it for an aorus elite but the thing is i kinda need bluetooth and for some reason they just simply don't sell wifi versions of the TUF or Aorus Elite board in the UK
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Gregory
Please be aware that the Aorus Elite x570 motherboard is not rated for memory of 3600 megahertz. I found out the hard way. Should have gone with my initial choice of the Asus TUF, but the Aorus Elite was on sale for 170, or something like that. Even with XMP enabled, the first profile at 3600 megahertz made the system crash. And others have said that even with tweaking the memory specs, they couldn't get it all the way up to 3, 600.
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Please be aware that the Aorus Elite x570 motherboard is not rated for memory of 3600 megahertz. I found out the hard way. Should have gone with my initial choice of the Asus TUF, but the Aorus Elite was on sale for 170, or something like that. Even with XMP enabled, the first profile at 3600 megahertz made the system crash. And others have said that even with tweaking the memory specs, they couldn't get it all the way up to 3, 600.
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Nathan
11: 18 This is not correct. The MSI B450 Gaming Plus has _exactly_ the same VRM components as the Tomahawk. The only difference is the heat sink, so there's little to no down-grade. In fact, all variants of the Mortar have _different_ mosfets to the Tomahawk (the Mortar uses Sinopower, while the Tomahawk and Gaming Plus use ONSemi - there's little difference in quality, but they are different, despite using the same heat-sink design.
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11: 18 This is not correct. The MSI B450 Gaming Plus has _exactly_ the same VRM components as the Tomahawk. The only difference is the heat sink, so there's little to no down-grade. In fact, all variants of the Mortar have _different_ mosfets to the Tomahawk (the Mortar uses Sinopower, while the Tomahawk and Gaming Plus use ONSemi - there's little difference in quality, but they are different, despite using the same heat-sink design.
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