HW News - AMD BIOS Bugs, Arcturus GPU, & Intel Rumors for October
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Date: 2020-05-06
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Piers
I feel AMD is making things too complicated for the majority of users. Intel 1. Install CPU & RAM. 2. Enable XMP. 3. Set all core OC to max of the CPU and Intel will still support it via warranty (confirmed with Intel) 4. Done AMD 1. Install CPU & RAM. 2. Make sure RAM is 3600 (I think) or 3733, but not 3800 otherwise CPU is slower (be careful as AMD won't support warranty if overclocked. 3. Download correct BIOS with AMD microcode that introduces bugs each time, even though this is the third iteration of Ryzen meaning there's little excuse. 4. Buy X570 board for overclocking and PCIe 4. 0 but can't overclock over 4. 3GHz at reasonable voltage and stock offers 4% less performance than maximum reasonable OC. Can't overclock as, again, AMD states warranty is voided if overclocked, even though that's illegal in many countries. 5. Be careful if you don't have air conditioning or reasonable air flow as performance is worse, unlike Intel where it tends to just work. Either this is the fault of the review material, reviewers, or AMD and software issues, which wouldn't surprise me. That's why I stopped buying AMD products because software support is atrocious. I would quite like to buy a 3900X, but it's just far too much hassle when compared to Intel.
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I feel AMD is making things too complicated for the majority of users. Intel 1. Install CPU & RAM. 2. Enable XMP. 3. Set all core OC to max of the CPU and Intel will still support it via warranty (confirmed with Intel) 4. Done AMD 1. Install CPU & RAM. 2. Make sure RAM is 3600 (I think) or 3733, but not 3800 otherwise CPU is slower (be careful as AMD won't support warranty if overclocked. 3. Download correct BIOS with AMD microcode that introduces bugs each time, even though this is the third iteration of Ryzen meaning there's little excuse. 4. Buy X570 board for overclocking and PCIe 4. 0 but can't overclock over 4. 3GHz at reasonable voltage and stock offers 4% less performance than maximum reasonable OC. Can't overclock as, again, AMD states warranty is voided if overclocked, even though that's illegal in many countries. 5. Be careful if you don't have air conditioning or reasonable air flow as performance is worse, unlike Intel where it tends to just work. Either this is the fault of the review material, reviewers, or AMD and software issues, which wouldn't surprise me. That's why I stopped buying AMD products because software support is atrocious. I would quite like to buy a 3900X, but it's just far too much hassle when compared to Intel.
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James
Binary code can be read with an assembler, so it's not TOO hard, but it does take someone who is used to looking at these certain assembly routines to figure out what is what. It really depends if the binary is sent with any kind of notation. I'm pretty sure that the code itself has zero notation since it's designed to go into a small memory chiplet. Unlike when you write a high level language program where if you work for any respectable company your code is well notated. I've only messed with assembly for a couple weeks and it was a long time ago. I used to work with machine language because I worked on 50s, 60s computers which required you to understand pretty much everything about how they work, and the ability to read tech manuals, understand logic gates, binary and hex math and electronics. One computer was even a 30 bit computer, and it used octal, but doing math with octal is easier than hex. It makes no difference for the computer since it does it bit by bit, meaning binary and could care less how a human interprets it.
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Binary code can be read with an assembler, so it's not TOO hard, but it does take someone who is used to looking at these certain assembly routines to figure out what is what. It really depends if the binary is sent with any kind of notation. I'm pretty sure that the code itself has zero notation since it's designed to go into a small memory chiplet. Unlike when you write a high level language program where if you work for any respectable company your code is well notated. I've only messed with assembly for a couple weeks and it was a long time ago. I used to work with machine language because I worked on 50s, 60s computers which required you to understand pretty much everything about how they work, and the ability to read tech manuals, understand logic gates, binary and hex math and electronics. One computer was even a 30 bit computer, and it used octal, but doing math with octal is easier than hex. It makes no difference for the computer since it does it bit by bit, meaning binary and could care less how a human interprets it.
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Vertical
My 3600 is runniing fine on my asus b350 f gaming strix motherboard. But It would be awesome of someone on you tube would talk about all the issues/bugs with the 5700/5700xt gpus's and there drivers. Had my 5700xt for over a week now it's barely working stable at all. Got wattman freezing up right after I open it so i couldnt overclock or undervolt if I wanted to. Well not without re opening the app 100 times cause it freezes right after I touch one of the sliders. Black screens, system shut downs, game crashes, weird glitches in the picture especially when I open radeon/wattman. And I'm not the only one with issues either. Theres alot of posts on Reddit and the AMD forums. But no actual help or fixes for problems just ppl saying what troubles them. Be nice to get some answers tho
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My 3600 is runniing fine on my asus b350 f gaming strix motherboard. But It would be awesome of someone on you tube would talk about all the issues/bugs with the 5700/5700xt gpus's and there drivers. Had my 5700xt for over a week now it's barely working stable at all. Got wattman freezing up right after I open it so i couldnt overclock or undervolt if I wanted to. Well not without re opening the app 100 times cause it freezes right after I touch one of the sliders. Black screens, system shut downs, game crashes, weird glitches in the picture especially when I open radeon/wattman. And I'm not the only one with issues either. Theres alot of posts on Reddit and the AMD forums. But no actual help or fixes for problems just ppl saying what troubles them. Be nice to get some answers tho
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jkteddy77
My consensus of a reasonable roadmap after seeing all the Intel rumors and their focus on 7nm chips: Likely a 10nm Comet Lake in early Q1 2020 that act as a lower clocked but higher IPC architecture to widen the gap between Ryzen on Z490. Then I think Ice Lake will release later in Q4 say Oct or Nov 2020 as a higher clocked 10nm chip top IPC gamers will chase, although Intel is now fastracking 7nm for 2021 in hopes of staying ahead of Ryzen 3, so this could go many ways, but not until at least 2020. For these reasons I just got a discounted 9900KF thanks to Ryzen's pressure, and will look forward to Ryzenn 3 and Ice lake late nnext year as the earliest time to upgrade aside from right now. I think it's a safe bet to buy either brand right now if you're mainly gaming.
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My consensus of a reasonable roadmap after seeing all the Intel rumors and their focus on 7nm chips: Likely a 10nm Comet Lake in early Q1 2020 that act as a lower clocked but higher IPC architecture to widen the gap between Ryzen on Z490. Then I think Ice Lake will release later in Q4 say Oct or Nov 2020 as a higher clocked 10nm chip top IPC gamers will chase, although Intel is now fastracking 7nm for 2021 in hopes of staying ahead of Ryzen 3, so this could go many ways, but not until at least 2020. For these reasons I just got a discounted 9900KF thanks to Ryzen's pressure, and will look forward to Ryzenn 3 and Ice lake late nnext year as the earliest time to upgrade aside from right now. I think it's a safe bet to buy either brand right now if you're mainly gaming.
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Novat
The Zen 1 threadripper lineup still has 64 PCI-E lanes, and superior memory capacity and configuration. Even though the 3900x is a great product, and the 3950x will probably end up as a great product as well. There are still legitimate reasons for picking a 16 core, or even a 12 core Threadripper. However, in the past, AMD has not offered a Threadripper priced bellow that of even the most expensive AM4 CPU. The 8 core Threadripper was priced at 50USD over the 1800x. So my best guess is that the baseline Threadripper will ship at 16 cores, at a 50-100USD premium over the 3950x. I wonder what they will name them and which options they will release. 16/32/48/64 core?
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The Zen 1 threadripper lineup still has 64 PCI-E lanes, and superior memory capacity and configuration. Even though the 3900x is a great product, and the 3950x will probably end up as a great product as well. There are still legitimate reasons for picking a 16 core, or even a 12 core Threadripper. However, in the past, AMD has not offered a Threadripper priced bellow that of even the most expensive AM4 CPU. The 8 core Threadripper was priced at 50USD over the 1800x. So my best guess is that the baseline Threadripper will ship at 16 cores, at a 50-100USD premium over the 3950x. I wonder what they will name them and which options they will release. 16/32/48/64 core?
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Tomas
I think the Toshiba rebranding is the worst tech-related news I've heard all year. I've read a bit on it and they specifically use the word chip or chips a lot so I'm really hoping this doesn't affect their HDD lineup. I love using Toshiba hard drives when fixing/refurbishing gaming consoles, specifically for the Sony PlayStation 3. They've proved very reliable and do not encounter some of the weird hiccups found in Seagate HDDs (freezing the console, etc. Their HDDs also seem to output minimal heat, and their revised L200 2. 5 drives are extremely slim and look and function amazing. I can't imagine me going to my go-to Micro Center and asking for a Kioskia.
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I think the Toshiba rebranding is the worst tech-related news I've heard all year. I've read a bit on it and they specifically use the word chip or chips a lot so I'm really hoping this doesn't affect their HDD lineup. I love using Toshiba hard drives when fixing/refurbishing gaming consoles, specifically for the Sony PlayStation 3. They've proved very reliable and do not encounter some of the weird hiccups found in Seagate HDDs (freezing the console, etc. Their HDDs also seem to output minimal heat, and their revised L200 2. 5 drives are extremely slim and look and function amazing. I can't imagine me going to my go-to Micro Center and asking for a Kioskia.
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Guest
I have a ryzen 5 2600 and a tomahawk b350 board, I cant update my bios to the newer version 7A34v1M because overclocking through Ryzen master requries way more voltage and cant even hit 4. 1 even though on the bios 7A34v1K I can hit 4. 3. I was too aggressive being a stagnant lazy bastard, I had the ability to upgrade my rental house from a one room shanty shack but the money was rolling in from those idiots that rent from me, so I figured why move the market forward and treat my customers fairly. I can just keep the one room shanty until Im forced to upgrade it against my will. I was too aggressive being a cheap bastard afraid of innovating.
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I have a ryzen 5 2600 and a tomahawk b350 board, I cant update my bios to the newer version 7A34v1M because overclocking through Ryzen master requries way more voltage and cant even hit 4. 1 even though on the bios 7A34v1K I can hit 4. 3. I was too aggressive being a stagnant lazy bastard, I had the ability to upgrade my rental house from a one room shanty shack but the money was rolling in from those idiots that rent from me, so I figured why move the market forward and treat my customers fairly. I can just keep the one room shanty until Im forced to upgrade it against my will. I was too aggressive being a cheap bastard afraid of innovating.
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hiczok
A lot of x570 gigabyte elite bios. Fans start at 100% after sleep and dont slow down again, some bios options are repeated, cannot see 2nd xmp profile and 1st one I am not sure is fully loaded(hyperx predator, usb ports are wonky and I get occasionally mouse stutter and audio stutter on usb dac. And the pc boots for 20 or 30 seconds before You see post screen. Yeah its verry buggy and my p67 2500k build was nothing like that but compared to trying to run 3700x on b450 msi. Gigabyte x570 is super stable lol
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A lot of x570 gigabyte elite bios. Fans start at 100% after sleep and dont slow down again, some bios options are repeated, cannot see 2nd xmp profile and 1st one I am not sure is fully loaded(hyperx predator, usb ports are wonky and I get occasionally mouse stutter and audio stutter on usb dac. And the pc boots for 20 or 30 seconds before You see post screen. Yeah its verry buggy and my p67 2500k build was nothing like that but compared to trying to run 3700x on b450 msi. Gigabyte x570 is super stable lol
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Adroc
#askGN I am very close to starting an x570 build, but have come across a lot of negative feedback in regards to x570 chipsets overheating, (specifically Asrock Taichi) is there any possibilty that you and the team would be looking into these rumours? Based on Buildzoids PCB/VRM and feature stack analysis, I was heavily leaning towards this MoBo. I am still not sold on Gigabyte due to UEFI/BIOS useabilty, has that improved at all with x570? Thanks in advance if these questions gets answered.
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#askGN I am very close to starting an x570 build, but have come across a lot of negative feedback in regards to x570 chipsets overheating, (specifically Asrock Taichi) is there any possibilty that you and the team would be looking into these rumours? Based on Buildzoids PCB/VRM and feature stack analysis, I was heavily leaning towards this MoBo. I am still not sold on Gigabyte due to UEFI/BIOS useabilty, has that improved at all with x570? Thanks in advance if these questions gets answered.
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Ryan
As always a good time watching these vids. The question I have is this. Has anyone ever had a new gpu emit a strange smell? It is not like a burning smell, more like a chem smell. I installed a 2070 super, and while I was in there, I put a 120 corsiar aio on my 2600x. Now there is a pretty strong odor coming from the pc room. Plus, when I try to turn on PBO in ryzen master, my system will lock up within a few mins. I haven't even tried to oc the 2070 super, it's a EVGA Black edition. Thanks
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As always a good time watching these vids. The question I have is this. Has anyone ever had a new gpu emit a strange smell? It is not like a burning smell, more like a chem smell. I installed a 2070 super, and while I was in there, I put a 120 corsiar aio on my 2600x. Now there is a pretty strong odor coming from the pc room. Plus, when I try to turn on PBO in ryzen master, my system will lock up within a few mins. I haven't even tried to oc the 2070 super, it's a EVGA Black edition. Thanks
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