HW News - NVIDIA Brings Back RTX 2070 to Fight AMD, Worse 14nm Shortage
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Date: 2020-05-06
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bobhumplick
for one thing, a 14nm shortage at intel for desktop means that more of amd's dies will go to desktop instead of server. so it works for intel in a way. this is also part of why intel isnt going to 10nm. its not just that they cant. its that it makes the shortage worse. usually a node gets you twice the transistors for the same equipment. you can make twice the chips you used to or the same amount that are twice as big or anything in between. so this doesnt help with supply problems, plus it makes the clock yields more inconsistant so its harder to get all high clocking cores on 1 die. same for 7nm tsmc because its quad patterned as well. its not so much that intel cant do 10nm, or coudnt do it before. its that intel decided they wouldnt do it unless and until it would actually be worth it over 14nm. thats why the density specs for it were so high. the intel people said it isnt worth it unless we cant get this density. if we cant get this density at reasonable clocks we wont do it. plus EUV is right around the corner anyway. same thing that every other fab decided as well. the only reason tsmc bucked the same idea is because apple most likely paid them double or triple the price of the old chips or financed part of the exansion up front. and amd doesnt need as many chips so they could just squeeze in any time they werent making apple chips etc. plus if apple can make amd into a premium cpu\gpu maker they have a premium part marker for their macs that owe them a favor. and i wouldnt be surprised from what i know of tsmc if the 7nm lp and hpc can both be made on the same wafer. that being the difference between the 2 are just the masks. i bet they could just put apple in the center for the best silicon and let amd have the next ring out and sell the outer ring to whoever comes
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for one thing, a 14nm shortage at intel for desktop means that more of amd's dies will go to desktop instead of server. so it works for intel in a way. this is also part of why intel isnt going to 10nm. its not just that they cant. its that it makes the shortage worse. usually a node gets you twice the transistors for the same equipment. you can make twice the chips you used to or the same amount that are twice as big or anything in between. so this doesnt help with supply problems, plus it makes the clock yields more inconsistant so its harder to get all high clocking cores on 1 die. same for 7nm tsmc because its quad patterned as well. its not so much that intel cant do 10nm, or coudnt do it before. its that intel decided they wouldnt do it unless and until it would actually be worth it over 14nm. thats why the density specs for it were so high. the intel people said it isnt worth it unless we cant get this density. if we cant get this density at reasonable clocks we wont do it. plus EUV is right around the corner anyway. same thing that every other fab decided as well. the only reason tsmc bucked the same idea is because apple most likely paid them double or triple the price of the old chips or financed part of the exansion up front. and amd doesnt need as many chips so they could just squeeze in any time they werent making apple chips etc. plus if apple can make amd into a premium cpu\gpu maker they have a premium part marker for their macs that owe them a favor. and i wouldnt be surprised from what i know of tsmc if the 7nm lp and hpc can both be made on the same wafer. that being the difference between the 2 are just the masks. i bet they could just put apple in the center for the best silicon and let amd have the next ring out and sell the outer ring to whoever comes
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RL
youd think it would be illegal to deforest without planting new trees at the same time, but, we're not doomed because of lack of a few trees there are tons of them and they are not the only plant. im also not convinced carbon dioxide is causing any of our weather or geological activity. there are a lot of volcanic eruptions and earthquakes, is CO2 causing that too? lol. even if it is, so what, if we're a natural species on the earth, how can we do wrong? saying we're harming the environment is like saying we're unnatural basically supporting biblical theology of our corruption and not the story about us coming from monkeys for no reason. nothing we do is wrong if we're just monkeys. if we go to war or change the earth, so what. beavers do the same along with some other living things. beavers reroute rivers, are they bad? theyre bad for us in that they clog things up and we move them away instead of killing them lol this climate change thing is just a bad excuse to demonize humanity. while its not good to have other more harmful forms of pollution like trash in the oceans and dumping polluted water from factories, carbon dioxide is the least of our worries.
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youd think it would be illegal to deforest without planting new trees at the same time, but, we're not doomed because of lack of a few trees there are tons of them and they are not the only plant. im also not convinced carbon dioxide is causing any of our weather or geological activity. there are a lot of volcanic eruptions and earthquakes, is CO2 causing that too? lol. even if it is, so what, if we're a natural species on the earth, how can we do wrong? saying we're harming the environment is like saying we're unnatural basically supporting biblical theology of our corruption and not the story about us coming from monkeys for no reason. nothing we do is wrong if we're just monkeys. if we go to war or change the earth, so what. beavers do the same along with some other living things. beavers reroute rivers, are they bad? theyre bad for us in that they clog things up and we move them away instead of killing them lol this climate change thing is just a bad excuse to demonize humanity. while its not good to have other more harmful forms of pollution like trash in the oceans and dumping polluted water from factories, carbon dioxide is the least of our worries.
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James
Cool, the 1660 Super didn't get much attention, so I'll be able to buy it! You know, for a lower cost GPU, it's pretty good, and if you don't care about ray tracing for a few years, it becomes an ideal card because it doesn't have things you don't need, it's lower power and it's performance is slightly less than a 1070, for less that half the price. Yeah people, don't show interest so in a couple more months I can buy another one, of the brand I want and still pay the realistic price it has. I bought the first one the first day it was available after watching reviews. If AMD didn't already have the RX580 below 180, it would HAVE to because of this card simply FLATTENING it at a price the RX580 used to sell at. And, I haven't had an RX580 YET that works the way it should. I can't even send the output of it through a switch for a monitor without it having a problem everytime I switch away from that computer and then back to it. Either the display won't come back up, or it changes resolution. Another 580 I had died within 2 days. On the other hand, the 2 Nvidia cards have zero issues, just like every other Nvidia card I've own.
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Cool, the 1660 Super didn't get much attention, so I'll be able to buy it! You know, for a lower cost GPU, it's pretty good, and if you don't care about ray tracing for a few years, it becomes an ideal card because it doesn't have things you don't need, it's lower power and it's performance is slightly less than a 1070, for less that half the price. Yeah people, don't show interest so in a couple more months I can buy another one, of the brand I want and still pay the realistic price it has. I bought the first one the first day it was available after watching reviews. If AMD didn't already have the RX580 below 180, it would HAVE to because of this card simply FLATTENING it at a price the RX580 used to sell at. And, I haven't had an RX580 YET that works the way it should. I can't even send the output of it through a switch for a monitor without it having a problem everytime I switch away from that computer and then back to it. Either the display won't come back up, or it changes resolution. Another 580 I had died within 2 days. On the other hand, the 2 Nvidia cards have zero issues, just like every other Nvidia card I've own.
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Guest
Looking for a solid answer on safe voltages for my daily driver. Delidded 8086K at 5. 3 Ghz on all cores, AVX offset - 3, LLC 6, at 1. 40V v-core running stable for a year now. I've read through forums and get conflicting info as to whether this is a safe voltage for a long term daily driver. Some have stated that this chip is in spec up to 1. 52 volts but I haven't seen anyone attempt near that without extreme cooling nor can I find the proper whitepapers. I see 1. 5V in your testing however I'm unsure if that's purely for benching purposes vs daily/long term use. Aren't temps the main concern when increasing voltage? Of course voltage can certainly become the concern if too high, but what qualifies as too high for daily when temps are in check? On CLC I am running mid 50's C in gaming (72ish F ambient) and stress tests can hit 71C. Also, CPU-Z shows Core Voltage fluctuating between 1. 408 - 1. 424, would that be due to LLC 6? Please help a fellow longhair out!
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Looking for a solid answer on safe voltages for my daily driver. Delidded 8086K at 5. 3 Ghz on all cores, AVX offset - 3, LLC 6, at 1. 40V v-core running stable for a year now. I've read through forums and get conflicting info as to whether this is a safe voltage for a long term daily driver. Some have stated that this chip is in spec up to 1. 52 volts but I haven't seen anyone attempt near that without extreme cooling nor can I find the proper whitepapers. I see 1. 5V in your testing however I'm unsure if that's purely for benching purposes vs daily/long term use. Aren't temps the main concern when increasing voltage? Of course voltage can certainly become the concern if too high, but what qualifies as too high for daily when temps are in check? On CLC I am running mid 50's C in gaming (72ish F ambient) and stress tests can hit 71C. Also, CPU-Z shows Core Voltage fluctuating between 1. 408 - 1. 424, would that be due to LLC 6? Please help a fellow longhair out!
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saultube44
I laugh at Intel shortages, pretty much an advertisement stunt, to humble brag that their CPUs are selling a lot, when AMD is taking a lot of those sales, pretty much BS IMO, haven't see the accounting books of Intel but they won't show them neither; AMD kicking their asses But they still can't keep up' with the demand LOL, poor mental wankers, let them enjoy it while it lasts. If there is a shortage it's because Intel is not making chips they know they won't sell and make their partners manufacture computers that will be outdated by the time all existent ones are sold out, it's called AMD taking your market share and not allowing you to produce the same volume, calling it shortage is BS
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I laugh at Intel shortages, pretty much an advertisement stunt, to humble brag that their CPUs are selling a lot, when AMD is taking a lot of those sales, pretty much BS IMO, haven't see the accounting books of Intel but they won't show them neither; AMD kicking their asses But they still can't keep up' with the demand LOL, poor mental wankers, let them enjoy it while it lasts. If there is a shortage it's because Intel is not making chips they know they won't sell and make their partners manufacture computers that will be outdated by the time all existent ones are sold out, it's called AMD taking your market share and not allowing you to produce the same volume, calling it shortage is BS
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Game
Are we really going to tell ourselves that there is anything secure in this world? Anything digital can be hacked. Anything wired can be hacked. We only systems that seem to be the most secure the are the closed systems. Encryption is obviously a lot better but that's still something that has the possibility of being broken. Whenever you have the human factor involved nothing will be perfect. Systems fail. People can be bought off. So many things. But I do understand that we have to pick something. We have to use things. And companies should be more open whenever they have problems. Obviously.
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Are we really going to tell ourselves that there is anything secure in this world? Anything digital can be hacked. Anything wired can be hacked. We only systems that seem to be the most secure the are the closed systems. Encryption is obviously a lot better but that's still something that has the possibility of being broken. Whenever you have the human factor involved nothing will be perfect. Systems fail. People can be bought off. So many things. But I do understand that we have to pick something. We have to use things. And companies should be more open whenever they have problems. Obviously.
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Brandon
Well, Intel is an expert at anti-comp. practices so I guess they would know one if they see one. LOL. Hey, great thing helping out with the trees, good going on that one. You should do a funny vid where you take building a computer verge style to the next level with building that important table and installing ram with a hammer and use a real brick in there somewhere. They opened a door for some really funny computer building. And don't use a swiss army knife, use a 20hp powered screwdriver so you can install those screws with reckless fury with a bit of confidence.
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Well, Intel is an expert at anti-comp. practices so I guess they would know one if they see one. LOL. Hey, great thing helping out with the trees, good going on that one. You should do a funny vid where you take building a computer verge style to the next level with building that important table and installing ram with a hammer and use a real brick in there somewhere. They opened a door for some really funny computer building. And don't use a swiss army knife, use a 20hp powered screwdriver so you can install those screws with reckless fury with a bit of confidence.
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BiG
Please. stop with the climate crisis you short-sited self important dummies. 30 years ago people were freaking out over the earth getting too cold, now it s getting too hot. Your short lives aren t the proper scale to measure climate change. The earth undergoes these changes on a regular basis. If it gets warmer now, it ll be colder at some point in the near future, every 10 year swing isn t a crisis Good job with the tree planting, but please stop with the crisis nonsense. I love GN content otherwise.
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Please. stop with the climate crisis you short-sited self important dummies. 30 years ago people were freaking out over the earth getting too cold, now it s getting too hot. Your short lives aren t the proper scale to measure climate change. The earth undergoes these changes on a regular basis. If it gets warmer now, it ll be colder at some point in the near future, every 10 year swing isn t a crisis Good job with the tree planting, but please stop with the crisis nonsense. I love GN content otherwise.
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Pandu
Donning my tinfoil hat for a moment: I think TSMC and GloFo from the outset wanted to cross-license their patents, but shareholders want them to put in good price, so they did a feint, started a patent litigation war, which shareholders know will sap so much profit due to lawyers. Shareholders back down and say, Okay, stop the war at any cost. Then they ended up cross-licensing their patents as they originally planned. The lawyers still win. Good fanfic, no?
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Donning my tinfoil hat for a moment: I think TSMC and GloFo from the outset wanted to cross-license their patents, but shareholders want them to put in good price, so they did a feint, started a patent litigation war, which shareholders know will sap so much profit due to lawyers. Shareholders back down and say, Okay, stop the war at any cost. Then they ended up cross-licensing their patents as they originally planned. The lawyers still win. Good fanfic, no?
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Nick
#askgn are there any microbreweries near you and why haven't they tried to advertise with you? maybe some type of partnership or pairing with your pint glasses? seems like an obvious choice! i feel like tons of watchers would be interested, though I don't know how much trouble buying beer on the internet is. i've bought cigars with no issues. but i guess shipping would be a pain and they'd not easily be kept cold. eh. maybe it wouldn't work out.
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#askgn are there any microbreweries near you and why haven't they tried to advertise with you? maybe some type of partnership or pairing with your pint glasses? seems like an obvious choice! i feel like tons of watchers would be interested, though I don't know how much trouble buying beer on the internet is. i've bought cigars with no issues. but i guess shipping would be a pain and they'd not easily be kept cold. eh. maybe it wouldn't work out.
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