Building the Ultimate DIY NAS on AMD, Ft. Level1Techs, Unraid, & ZFS (Part 1/2)
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Date: 2020-05-06
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Vision33r
I've watched a lot of videos on youtube about NAS. The biggest mistake I think with all these videos and tutorials is that you guys are running too much crap on a NAS server. In the enterprise, you don't use NAS for anything else other than providing a large storage. Every NAS device you see aimed for enterprise consists of hardware acceleration for RAID and tons of network ports for fattening the network pipes. If you run docker, virtualization, any other apps while the NAS server is managing your huge storage arrays you are asking for trouble. You can lower the reliability and cause storage performance issues having a server split into doing so much different workloads. In a business setting, SAN is for providing storage to your servers, and NAS is typically used for backups, snapshots, and backing up your VMs and containers. Very dangerous to be running multiple stuff on a server that handles large repository of data unless you don't mind losing your data or the server one day due to corruption or hardware failure.
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I've watched a lot of videos on youtube about NAS. The biggest mistake I think with all these videos and tutorials is that you guys are running too much crap on a NAS server. In the enterprise, you don't use NAS for anything else other than providing a large storage. Every NAS device you see aimed for enterprise consists of hardware acceleration for RAID and tons of network ports for fattening the network pipes. If you run docker, virtualization, any other apps while the NAS server is managing your huge storage arrays you are asking for trouble. You can lower the reliability and cause storage performance issues having a server split into doing so much different workloads. In a business setting, SAN is for providing storage to your servers, and NAS is typically used for backups, snapshots, and backing up your VMs and containers. Very dangerous to be running multiple stuff on a server that handles large repository of data unless you don't mind losing your data or the server one day due to corruption or hardware failure.
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n8lbv
HI, I'm actually a professional who works with this stuff every day and has for years. However I have NO experience with these drive shelves. There are so many of these videos and not a single one of them EXPLAINS ANYTHING about the interfaces! How do you hook one of these things up? Do you need a special SAS controller that has the capability to work with one of these drive shelves? Or will they work with ANY SAS controller card? Do you just run a single SAS cable from the controller over to the drive shelf? This video mentions two paths. Yes I watched the entire video and am beyond frustrated that I'm having difficulty finding simple answers to how these shelves work, what is required to use them etc. This video and plenty of other lengthy videos do not explain these very well at all. Thanks.
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HI, I'm actually a professional who works with this stuff every day and has for years. However I have NO experience with these drive shelves. There are so many of these videos and not a single one of them EXPLAINS ANYTHING about the interfaces! How do you hook one of these things up? Do you need a special SAS controller that has the capability to work with one of these drive shelves? Or will they work with ANY SAS controller card? Do you just run a single SAS cable from the controller over to the drive shelf? This video mentions two paths. Yes I watched the entire video and am beyond frustrated that I'm having difficulty finding simple answers to how these shelves work, what is required to use them etc. This video and plenty of other lengthy videos do not explain these very well at all. Thanks.
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Jakus
I want all that stuff on my next MB instead of all the 'gaming' and 'extreme overclocking' garbage they put on expensive MB's. I have never used half the stuff on my MB's and bet most people never do but I could see the features on that board being used all the time. Now I just have to find one of those boards available here in Australia and I will build my NAS/server. The 10Gig networking would be nice to have but I think the cheaper 1Gig version will suit just fine for home use. I've been waiting for 10G to go mainstream but its been a long time and just doesn't seem to be happening. Asus seem to be putting 5Gig on their really expensive stuff instead which will be completely useless because there is nothing to use it with.
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I want all that stuff on my next MB instead of all the 'gaming' and 'extreme overclocking' garbage they put on expensive MB's. I have never used half the stuff on my MB's and bet most people never do but I could see the features on that board being used all the time. Now I just have to find one of those boards available here in Australia and I will build my NAS/server. The 10Gig networking would be nice to have but I think the cheaper 1Gig version will suit just fine for home use. I've been waiting for 10G to go mainstream but its been a long time and just doesn't seem to be happening. Asus seem to be putting 5Gig on their really expensive stuff instead which will be completely useless because there is nothing to use it with.
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Patrick
Yeah, currently planning a NAS build for the family to keep system backups for 4, media libraries, and sensitive data stored up. Probably gonna go with 6 1TB SSDs on RAID Z2, reasons being it needs to be light enough and durable enough for transport in the event of a flood while also having better read error rates than HDDs. Also, since no one but me would clean it every 6-12 months, it needs plenty of dust filters, minimal required airflow, and resilience against said dust. Probably gonna build it off the Asrock H370M ITX in the Define Nano.
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Yeah, currently planning a NAS build for the family to keep system backups for 4, media libraries, and sensitive data stored up. Probably gonna go with 6 1TB SSDs on RAID Z2, reasons being it needs to be light enough and durable enough for transport in the event of a flood while also having better read error rates than HDDs. Also, since no one but me would clean it every 6-12 months, it needs plenty of dust filters, minimal required airflow, and resilience against said dust. Probably gonna build it off the Asrock H370M ITX in the Define Nano.
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THE
Check out the Noctua NH-L9a-AM4 it is 114x92 vs your current cooler is 97x97 (so if you have 114 MM the long direction you should be fine) you would need to check clearance Noctua also makes a 95x95mm cooler but it might still hang over the slots. AMD boards should have a specified 96x114mm keep-out zone (the C7 is advertized as fitting Keep out zone specs for Intel (which I believe is 95x95) yet is 1MM to large each direction, guess they figure most boards have a hair extra space) If your board meets the AMD spec the Noctua should work.
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Check out the Noctua NH-L9a-AM4 it is 114x92 vs your current cooler is 97x97 (so if you have 114 MM the long direction you should be fine) you would need to check clearance Noctua also makes a 95x95mm cooler but it might still hang over the slots. AMD boards should have a specified 96x114mm keep-out zone (the C7 is advertized as fitting Keep out zone specs for Intel (which I believe is 95x95) yet is 1MM to large each direction, guess they figure most boards have a hair extra space) If your board meets the AMD spec the Noctua should work.
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stefanguels
Complexity is the enemy of both reliability and security. ZFS is meant for enterprise storage in datacenters. (Un-)Raid is no backup. Downtime isn't much of an issue for home users, while time spent to fix things is. So unless you're not messing around with completly overkill technologies for the fun part of it this is going to be maintenance hell (and recovery hell in case of failure. You're using an 18-wheeler truck to fetch a box of matches from the store down the road.
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Complexity is the enemy of both reliability and security. ZFS is meant for enterprise storage in datacenters. (Un-)Raid is no backup. Downtime isn't much of an issue for home users, while time spent to fix things is. So unless you're not messing around with completly overkill technologies for the fun part of it this is going to be maintenance hell (and recovery hell in case of failure. You're using an 18-wheeler truck to fetch a box of matches from the store down the road.
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MISC
Those xyratex PSUs have _2_ centrifigual fans in the back of them apiece - each of those fans has 2 6mm ball bearings in it - and the factory bearings fail at about 4-5 years. The fans are about 20 each (if you can get them, whilst replacement bearings are less than a dollar apiece - and higher quality than the OEM. One question: why bother with compressing the old video when you could just dump to tape and keep in something like a Neo8000 library?
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Those xyratex PSUs have _2_ centrifigual fans in the back of them apiece - each of those fans has 2 6mm ball bearings in it - and the factory bearings fail at about 4-5 years. The fans are about 20 each (if you can get them, whilst replacement bearings are less than a dollar apiece - and higher quality than the OEM. One question: why bother with compressing the old video when you could just dump to tape and keep in something like a Neo8000 library?
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Andrew
Needs proper subtitles. Can never understand Wendell. Mumbles. You need to boot from UEFI because we are going to build a man with a graphics card? Did he say man? For someone who is trying to learn. It s making hard work of it. Didn t explain why choosing unRAID over freeNAS. Didn t he say a graphics card meant you can t login to the bios remotely? So that has gone out the window along with that slot of ram they sacrificed for the RAM.
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Needs proper subtitles. Can never understand Wendell. Mumbles. You need to boot from UEFI because we are going to build a man with a graphics card? Did he say man? For someone who is trying to learn. It s making hard work of it. Didn t explain why choosing unRAID over freeNAS. Didn t he say a graphics card meant you can t login to the bios remotely? So that has gone out the window along with that slot of ram they sacrificed for the RAM.
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Andrew
Another build where they don t include the rebuild. It goes from a thermal problem Dante s inferno with the problem of the Chinese fans. to we rebuilt it. Without saying the extra cooling. Just an a solution of a smaller cpu fan but not cooling in general (in fact a video on how to do a DIY would be great. Including thermals, voltages, amps and watts what to avoid regarding sata connections etc.
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Another build where they don t include the rebuild. It goes from a thermal problem Dante s inferno with the problem of the Chinese fans. to we rebuilt it. Without saying the extra cooling. Just an a solution of a smaller cpu fan but not cooling in general (in fact a video on how to do a DIY would be great. Including thermals, voltages, amps and watts what to avoid regarding sata connections etc.
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Hard
So it's HDET performance on an consumer CPU. Not bad but I'll stick with my 9900k clocked at 5 GHz for sometime. but the thermals still worry me. it's a clean sign to drop 14nm lithography. even my NZXT kraken x72 seems inefficient to cool it. Kinda reminds me of my old FX9590 system which was unable to reach over 4. 8 GHz until I used a custom loop with a 360mm radiator with noisy 2000 RPM fans.
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So it's HDET performance on an consumer CPU. Not bad but I'll stick with my 9900k clocked at 5 GHz for sometime. but the thermals still worry me. it's a clean sign to drop 14nm lithography. even my NZXT kraken x72 seems inefficient to cool it. Kinda reminds me of my old FX9590 system which was unable to reach over 4. 8 GHz until I used a custom loop with a 360mm radiator with noisy 2000 RPM fans.
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