High-End 3950X PC Build for Video Editing, 3D Animation Workstation Build 2200- 2500
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Date: 2020-05-06
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For me, AMD needs more market maturity. I still think we are a few years away from this point. Will AMD ever truly be equal to Intel? I don't know. And by equal I mean all facets. More cores is great but then again, this was an easy angle of attack from AMD with their chiplet design. Something Intel and others have called cheating. The one thing I love the most is that AMD has awoken a dragon. And that dragon is intel. I hope that Intel strikes back and strikes hard in the coming year. I do not believe AMD will ever be able to beat Intel in gaming performance. Intel has smaller faster data gates and a whole other slew of very fast, amazing technology under the hood that AMD doesn't have. This is what allows Intel at 14nm to beat AMD at their 7nm. For these reasons and many other reasons that would be too time consuming to list here, AMD is going to have a very difficult time beating Intel in gaming performance.
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For me, AMD needs more market maturity. I still think we are a few years away from this point. Will AMD ever truly be equal to Intel? I don't know. And by equal I mean all facets. More cores is great but then again, this was an easy angle of attack from AMD with their chiplet design. Something Intel and others have called cheating. The one thing I love the most is that AMD has awoken a dragon. And that dragon is intel. I hope that Intel strikes back and strikes hard in the coming year. I do not believe AMD will ever be able to beat Intel in gaming performance. Intel has smaller faster data gates and a whole other slew of very fast, amazing technology under the hood that AMD doesn't have. This is what allows Intel at 14nm to beat AMD at their 7nm. For these reasons and many other reasons that would be too time consuming to list here, AMD is going to have a very difficult time beating Intel in gaming performance.
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dodruku
Gamers Nexus Hey guys, would you mind looking into ZBrush as one of your test apps? It's pretty unique in the field as far as being almost entirely cpu dependant. Some parts of it scale marvelously with core count while others seem to benefit from frequency. It also makes good use of well adjusted memory timings. It's a relatively inexpensive program all the while being incredibly powerful and I dare say industry standard in many fields including toy production, jewelry etc, but also routinely used in film and game development. The cost to benefits ratio makes it the ideal tool for freelance artists and there's a lot of us! Plus all updates for the past 20 years have been free. That said there aren't a lot of tests done for ZBrush and with all the different cpu architectures each one further multiplied by the number of models, buying a new cpu turns into a guessing game. cheers
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Gamers Nexus Hey guys, would you mind looking into ZBrush as one of your test apps? It's pretty unique in the field as far as being almost entirely cpu dependant. Some parts of it scale marvelously with core count while others seem to benefit from frequency. It also makes good use of well adjusted memory timings. It's a relatively inexpensive program all the while being incredibly powerful and I dare say industry standard in many fields including toy production, jewelry etc, but also routinely used in film and game development. The cost to benefits ratio makes it the ideal tool for freelance artists and there's a lot of us! Plus all updates for the past 20 years have been free. That said there aren't a lot of tests done for ZBrush and with all the different cpu architectures each one further multiplied by the number of models, buying a new cpu turns into a guessing game. cheers
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Opening
There is a question after my ramble please read through. >>>One of my first builds was AMD Thunderbird that was able to get to a GHz and it was cheap, fast and had North and south bridges. How far we have come. I've jumped back and forth from AMD to Intel with overclocking cheaper processors over the years and now I really don't see much need for overclocking but I still like the thrill. The next build I will put together will have to include a new MB, Ram, CPU and new CPU cooling block since my Intel 4970k is as far as it can go on my Z79 Hero Board. I bet there is a few people out there that have ran there chipset to the max CPU and are waiting on what CPU brand to buy next, I really wish I knew how long the new Ryzen AM4 chipset will last as far as generations. Question finally > Is there any way of knowing how long the AM4 socket will last?
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There is a question after my ramble please read through. >>>One of my first builds was AMD Thunderbird that was able to get to a GHz and it was cheap, fast and had North and south bridges. How far we have come. I've jumped back and forth from AMD to Intel with overclocking cheaper processors over the years and now I really don't see much need for overclocking but I still like the thrill. The next build I will put together will have to include a new MB, Ram, CPU and new CPU cooling block since my Intel 4970k is as far as it can go on my Z79 Hero Board. I bet there is a few people out there that have ran there chipset to the max CPU and are waiting on what CPU brand to buy next, I really wish I knew how long the new Ryzen AM4 chipset will last as far as generations. Question finally > Is there any way of knowing how long the AM4 socket will last?
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Tommy
Nice! I am very interested in this as I am building a work/gaming station and need to blend concepts. I am a programmer who also games and uses Visual Studio/Adobe etc. I understand that your working in the 350 bracket of MB's and you chose the ACE because you had it on hand, but could you consider the 250- 300 range as well in what I would need (Gaming AND Workstation) or should I be staying at the 350 range? Also, I am usually an ASUS builder and have have no experience with MSI, but from what i can gather they both have the best Bios and QVL support for X570, is that accurate? One other question, how do you feel about the 2x16GB Neo's with the CJR? Would it be better to go with the Samsung B die at a higher price point or can CJR get close to the same timings reliably? Its a pretty good price jump to get that B die: )
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Nice! I am very interested in this as I am building a work/gaming station and need to blend concepts. I am a programmer who also games and uses Visual Studio/Adobe etc. I understand that your working in the 350 bracket of MB's and you chose the ACE because you had it on hand, but could you consider the 250- 300 range as well in what I would need (Gaming AND Workstation) or should I be staying at the 350 range? Also, I am usually an ASUS builder and have have no experience with MSI, but from what i can gather they both have the best Bios and QVL support for X570, is that accurate? One other question, how do you feel about the 2x16GB Neo's with the CJR? Would it be better to go with the Samsung B die at a higher price point or can CJR get close to the same timings reliably? Its a pretty good price jump to get that B die: )
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ISOHaven
My current TR3 build is over 5 grand so far and still not done. Waiting for a price on G. SKILL 8GBx8 kit that's not out yet. Haven't decided on which NVMe drive yet. Case 144. 99 Fractal Design FD-CA-DEF-R6C-GY-TGL USB-C PSU 312. 99 ASUS Republic of Gamers Thor 1200W 80 Plus Platinum Mainboard 850. 00 ASUS Zenith II Extreme CPU 1, 999. 00 AMD 3970x Threadripper 3 CPU CLC 283. 99 ASUS ROG Ryujin 360 Memory G. SKILL Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600MHz CL14-15-15-35 1. 45V 8GBx8 GPU 1, 529. 98 ASUS 2080 Super x 2 NVLink ASUS NVLink Fans 74. 70 Noctua NF-A14 PWM chromax. Black. swap Fan Hub 13. 49 Bitspower PWM Fan Hub And for anyone that would cry about the price, when the first Pentium machine was release, for example Gateway2000, that was just under 4 grand. Quit crying because your job sucks.
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My current TR3 build is over 5 grand so far and still not done. Waiting for a price on G. SKILL 8GBx8 kit that's not out yet. Haven't decided on which NVMe drive yet. Case 144. 99 Fractal Design FD-CA-DEF-R6C-GY-TGL USB-C PSU 312. 99 ASUS Republic of Gamers Thor 1200W 80 Plus Platinum Mainboard 850. 00 ASUS Zenith II Extreme CPU 1, 999. 00 AMD 3970x Threadripper 3 CPU CLC 283. 99 ASUS ROG Ryujin 360 Memory G. SKILL Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600MHz CL14-15-15-35 1. 45V 8GBx8 GPU 1, 529. 98 ASUS 2080 Super x 2 NVLink ASUS NVLink Fans 74. 70 Noctua NF-A14 PWM chromax. Black. swap Fan Hub 13. 49 Bitspower PWM Fan Hub And for anyone that would cry about the price, when the first Pentium machine was release, for example Gateway2000, that was just under 4 grand. Quit crying because your job sucks.
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legacydialup
Even thought I've bought AMD for. 2 decades? I still love GN and Steve's no-nonsense approach to both vendors. I'm no fanboy and don't get grumpy when Intel wins in any scenarios because THAT'S HOW THIS STUFF WORKS. That said, you and your team at GN give the most accurate and trustworthy benchmarks and reviews of anyone I've ever watched. Although this is my own opinion, I am sure other agree. Please don't stop or compromise. Also, can you bring up or look into the non-stop compiler disagreements between Intel and AMD and anything that AMD may be able to do to fight it, possibly with a different compiler or other things?
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Even thought I've bought AMD for. 2 decades? I still love GN and Steve's no-nonsense approach to both vendors. I'm no fanboy and don't get grumpy when Intel wins in any scenarios because THAT'S HOW THIS STUFF WORKS. That said, you and your team at GN give the most accurate and trustworthy benchmarks and reviews of anyone I've ever watched. Although this is my own opinion, I am sure other agree. Please don't stop or compromise. Also, can you bring up or look into the non-stop compiler disagreements between Intel and AMD and anything that AMD may be able to do to fight it, possibly with a different compiler or other things?
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Air-iq
Steve still being a shill first Nvidia now he's got a gamer's nexus mod matt hanging in the background. This was actually a pretty legitimate workstation build I don't know if it's necessarily the largest budget option but maybe a Radeon VII might fit into this same sort of build. HBM2 is quicker and more efficient for some things versus GDDR6 it's relatively close but as long as you're not utilizing CUDA accelerated applications it would be decent alternative in a mini-threadripper workstation like this I'd imagine.
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Steve still being a shill first Nvidia now he's got a gamer's nexus mod matt hanging in the background. This was actually a pretty legitimate workstation build I don't know if it's necessarily the largest budget option but maybe a Radeon VII might fit into this same sort of build. HBM2 is quicker and more efficient for some things versus GDDR6 it's relatively close but as long as you're not utilizing CUDA accelerated applications it would be decent alternative in a mini-threadripper workstation like this I'd imagine.
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Bryan
I spent slightly more on my rig, but I m super curious about your use of a front mounted CLC for this use case. Mine s mounted topside right now, but since I have to put in the 3950x soon I could change it. Using the p600s case, MSI Creation board, but my gpu is the older Strix 1080ti and it takes up a lot of length. CLC is the Kraken x62, the system is built for heavy usage so better airflow would be great, though, under load the 3800x in there now tops out in the mid 70 s as is.
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I spent slightly more on my rig, but I m super curious about your use of a front mounted CLC for this use case. Mine s mounted topside right now, but since I have to put in the 3950x soon I could change it. Using the p600s case, MSI Creation board, but my gpu is the older Strix 1080ti and it takes up a lot of length. CLC is the Kraken x62, the system is built for heavy usage so better airflow would be great, though, under load the 3800x in there now tops out in the mid 70 s as is.
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Michael
10: 00 The harddrive bay can be shifted 2 inches to fit large 360mm radiators or I guess this one. Remove the top bracket piece above the PSU shroud near the front of the case. Undo the 8 screws holding the side bars, rescrew them in the holes that are offset to the left. You do sacrifice some PSU space. But I had no problems. The top piece stays off afaik. I couldnt seem to line up the holes but I didnt really look too hard either.
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10: 00 The harddrive bay can be shifted 2 inches to fit large 360mm radiators or I guess this one. Remove the top bracket piece above the PSU shroud near the front of the case. Undo the 8 screws holding the side bars, rescrew them in the holes that are offset to the left. You do sacrifice some PSU space. But I had no problems. The top piece stays off afaik. I couldnt seem to line up the holes but I didnt really look too hard either.
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John
Davinci resolve 15/16 used to be better than Premiere and faster when using the GPU in a lot of cases though Premiere may have caught up now. You may want to check that out as a lot of people are switching to Davinci because the basic software version is totally free for commercial use and is near feature complete. I have been using it for a year now and thinking about upgrading to a licence as I love it.
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Davinci resolve 15/16 used to be better than Premiere and faster when using the GPU in a lot of cases though Premiere may have caught up now. You may want to check that out as a lot of people are switching to Davinci because the basic software version is totally free for commercial use and is near feature complete. I have been using it for a year now and thinking about upgrading to a licence as I love it.
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