Der8auer & Steve: All the Problems with CES Laziness, Lying, & Bad Products
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Date: 2020-05-06
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Leo
About amd pricing, here the 3950x is still more than a 1000 euro, the motherboard is a completely another story GIGABYTE X570 Aorus MASTER 500 euro only if u pay in advance, than u have to wait a weak the delivery to them, had to travel to another country to buy those at a reasonable price. i'm from Moldova if u ask. All because vendors here are morons. Traveling costed me 100 euro on taxy, 785 euro for the 3950x & 350 euro for the motherboard. & i hate traveling, but i'm not feeding those lazy morons around here. Those idiots doesn't even understand that the motherboards that are in stock here can't feed the 3950x with no overheat. MSI MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI this is what they have the best in stock from the start, still nothing changed. How the hell are u sell those chips, if u don't have the motherboards proper for it.
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About amd pricing, here the 3950x is still more than a 1000 euro, the motherboard is a completely another story GIGABYTE X570 Aorus MASTER 500 euro only if u pay in advance, than u have to wait a weak the delivery to them, had to travel to another country to buy those at a reasonable price. i'm from Moldova if u ask. All because vendors here are morons. Traveling costed me 100 euro on taxy, 785 euro for the 3950x & 350 euro for the motherboard. & i hate traveling, but i'm not feeding those lazy morons around here. Those idiots doesn't even understand that the motherboards that are in stock here can't feed the 3950x with no overheat. MSI MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI this is what they have the best in stock from the start, still nothing changed. How the hell are u sell those chips, if u don't have the motherboards proper for it.
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Stygian
Not only is x570 overpriced but the thermal solutions for all the manufacturers are worse than abysmal. Without forced airflow from case fans that little shitty fan is spinning at a gazillion-trillion RPM's to (barely) keep the chip set from melting, the only noisy thing that is audible through my headphones is that horrific little SB fan, despite me running all my fans in perf mode. Yet there are people that manage decent thermals with homemade passive heat sinks, it kinda tells a lot about the care that went into these boards (or lack thereof, I paid a similar price for my new board as I had for my last X99 based one and it kinda felt like a huge downgrade based on build quality alone. I love the 3950X but AMD's chip set is hot garbage.
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Not only is x570 overpriced but the thermal solutions for all the manufacturers are worse than abysmal. Without forced airflow from case fans that little shitty fan is spinning at a gazillion-trillion RPM's to (barely) keep the chip set from melting, the only noisy thing that is audible through my headphones is that horrific little SB fan, despite me running all my fans in perf mode. Yet there are people that manage decent thermals with homemade passive heat sinks, it kinda tells a lot about the care that went into these boards (or lack thereof, I paid a similar price for my new board as I had for my last X99 based one and it kinda felt like a huge downgrade based on build quality alone. I love the 3950X but AMD's chip set is hot garbage.
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Machistmo
I own and plan to return Der8auer's Lian Li 011 Dynamic case. I liked building in the case, that was great, design is great except for its noise signature. Air cooling in this case should and can be used as an airport simulator. I think that you guys, Steve and Der8auer and others, suffer to some degree, from the shitty service these companies provide after the sale. Buyers remorse is probably the driving force behind a lot negative comments from video to video as Steve describes. The marketing in a lot of cases is deceptive and the support, almost across the board, is in a poor state.
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I own and plan to return Der8auer's Lian Li 011 Dynamic case. I liked building in the case, that was great, design is great except for its noise signature. Air cooling in this case should and can be used as an airport simulator. I think that you guys, Steve and Der8auer and others, suffer to some degree, from the shitty service these companies provide after the sale. Buyers remorse is probably the driving force behind a lot negative comments from video to video as Steve describes. The marketing in a lot of cases is deceptive and the support, almost across the board, is in a poor state.
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Lucas
With the exception of yourselves (of the tech Youtubers that I watch) I've been really disappointed with the coverage of CES this year. I also watch LTT, and their content this year. absolutely terrible (and that was after a lul early last year of average videos that got better as the year went on, even if CES hasn't been great this year, somehow Steve you've managed to still produce very interesting content and I've watched all your videos and love these kind of videos that you do with Roman and with Gordon.
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With the exception of yourselves (of the tech Youtubers that I watch) I've been really disappointed with the coverage of CES this year. I also watch LTT, and their content this year. absolutely terrible (and that was after a lul early last year of average videos that got better as the year went on, even if CES hasn't been great this year, somehow Steve you've managed to still produce very interesting content and I've watched all your videos and love these kind of videos that you do with Roman and with Gordon.
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Karkarov
I think one aspect that may not be obvious is often times engineers and product managers actually agree with and also feel critical about some design issues you might see in any technology based products. However they are just as handicapped and controlled by those sales executives and bean counters as independent reviewers are. I imagine many relish the chance to get unfiltered access to an actual informed professional that can give them firepower when they may want to make a design change.
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I think one aspect that may not be obvious is often times engineers and product managers actually agree with and also feel critical about some design issues you might see in any technology based products. However they are just as handicapped and controlled by those sales executives and bean counters as independent reviewers are. I imagine many relish the chance to get unfiltered access to an actual informed professional that can give them firepower when they may want to make a design change.
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Michael
There are many tasks that can be done in parallel: - parallel test execution for programmers. Though it's often done sequentially. - file exporting in capture one (but it's probably gpu bound, and would require tweaks from software manufacturers for sure. - server side development. Load testing. Sad, a lot of software is pretty much one thread bound by design (i. e. Photoshop. These CPU-s are pretty much a proof of concept and kick in the back for developers to write scalable software.
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There are many tasks that can be done in parallel: - parallel test execution for programmers. Though it's often done sequentially. - file exporting in capture one (but it's probably gpu bound, and would require tweaks from software manufacturers for sure. - server side development. Load testing. Sad, a lot of software is pretty much one thread bound by design (i. e. Photoshop. These CPU-s are pretty much a proof of concept and kick in the back for developers to write scalable software.
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Matthew
6min, disappointing that products are too far along to change in response to feedback - It is embarrassing for these companies that they actually need feedback. They are pouring millions into product design and missing the lowest of bars, then the only things that sell are refreshes of older designs that didn't trip out of the starting gate. There is no excuse for the few-and-far-between innovative designs to somehow forget about the basics of usability!
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6min, disappointing that products are too far along to change in response to feedback - It is embarrassing for these companies that they actually need feedback. They are pouring millions into product design and missing the lowest of bars, then the only things that sell are refreshes of older designs that didn't trip out of the starting gate. There is no excuse for the few-and-far-between innovative designs to somehow forget about the basics of usability!
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Shunya
8: 56 Excerpt from GN Business Conduct 101. Jokes apart, really appreciate and respect that. 17: 15 As someone who works in the industry, I agree that PCI-E 4. 0 signalling is quite difficult to get right but that doesn't necessarily mean considerably higher manufacturing costs due to additional PCB layers, etc. A part of it might also be aimed at recovering some of the additional R&D and prototyping costs.
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8: 56 Excerpt from GN Business Conduct 101. Jokes apart, really appreciate and respect that. 17: 15 As someone who works in the industry, I agree that PCI-E 4. 0 signalling is quite difficult to get right but that doesn't necessarily mean considerably higher manufacturing costs due to additional PCB layers, etc. A part of it might also be aimed at recovering some of the additional R&D and prototyping costs.
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Thomas
The occasional chicken dinner isn't going to hurt your cred. It's getting free products, free plane flights, repeating press releases and pretending they are reviews, agreeing to embargoes for access, that kind of thing. . The computer trade shows of the COMDEX era in the late 1990s. ah, that was lit, or whatever you say today. :) Would take every available conference space in Las Vegas.
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The occasional chicken dinner isn't going to hurt your cred. It's getting free products, free plane flights, repeating press releases and pretending they are reviews, agreeing to embargoes for access, that kind of thing. . The computer trade shows of the COMDEX era in the late 1990s. ah, that was lit, or whatever you say today. :) Would take every available conference space in Las Vegas.
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FSOnet
One of the main reasons some of these larger companies will continue to go is that if you skip one year you lose your seniority and your place for the next year. Even big-name companies will lose some of the perks they have garnered for years. So you have to continue to show even in all the years for your company or else you re on the bottom rung of the latter again in most cases.
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One of the main reasons some of these larger companies will continue to go is that if you skip one year you lose your seniority and your place for the next year. Even big-name companies will lose some of the perks they have garnered for years. So you have to continue to show even in all the years for your company or else you re on the bottom rung of the latter again in most cases.
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