AMD's Value Problem: Ryzen 5 7600X CPU Review, Benchmarks, & Expensive Motherboards
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Date: 2022-09-27
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David
So it's a nice generational improvement, but the cost? I'm not just talking price. There are multiple costs they had to pay to get this uplift.
The heat thing is a price they paid and one I don't know if all users will want to deal with. I'm particularly curious how prebuilts will embrace a line of CPUs that will be going to first time buyers who will read anywhere their CPU shouldn't be anywhere near 95 degrees. Sure some homework will say well this is normal, but the headaches alone for the builders who have to repeatedly explain as intended and well it's different this time? I dunno. I'm sure it's as intended, I'm less sure about the promises of no long term effects or knock on effects from having a CPU sitting at 95 degrees anytime it's in use. It's just a question mark for me.
The new hardware, prices will definitely come down, but as we saw with 12th gen, making a new hardware leap is a worry for buyers, and so that's another price to pay, and because of only using DDR5, it's a bigger one than we saw with 12th gen. I built my 12th gen rig in April. So for comparison an i5-12600k and Z690 combo was around 400-420 from microcenter (through Amazon) which was cheaper even than a comparable 5600X/MB combo at the time, I don't see that being the case here, but I'm hopeful it'll be like 12th gen where at launch board prices were nutts but just a few months later you could find some 150-200ish boards and good combo deals. I won't lie I was leaning Intel anyways because historically I've had to tweak AMD systems more than I'd like and I'm past that point in life, but I definitely checked to make sure I wasn't burning cash and was like okay no I'd actually save money too. So yeah they had nothing to offer me.
Then we get to the actual dollar price, and yeah I don't see it. The 600 series of CPUs is their bread and butter, and I don't think they hit the mark this time around. Maybe in a few years this will be the new 3600? But right now.. meh. Especially for someone like me who loves to game, but doesn't focus on FPS titles. In multiplayer FPS definitely has it's advantages, in single player games, and open world games, FPS concerns kind of slide away. And in the FPS titles is where the 7 series shows any real advantage, for me personally I just want to hit my monitor's refresh rate. So I dunno.
Final thought: Love the innovation, love the amount of uplift they were able to get, but it's kind of like asking Thanos what did it cost? A lot of the reasons to go AMD aren't here for this one IMO.
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So it's a nice generational improvement, but the cost? I'm not just talking price. There are multiple costs they had to pay to get this uplift.
The heat thing is a price they paid and one I don't know if all users will want to deal with. I'm particularly curious how prebuilts will embrace a line of CPUs that will be going to first time buyers who will read anywhere their CPU shouldn't be anywhere near 95 degrees. Sure some homework will say well this is normal, but the headaches alone for the builders who have to repeatedly explain as intended and well it's different this time? I dunno. I'm sure it's as intended, I'm less sure about the promises of no long term effects or knock on effects from having a CPU sitting at 95 degrees anytime it's in use. It's just a question mark for me.
The new hardware, prices will definitely come down, but as we saw with 12th gen, making a new hardware leap is a worry for buyers, and so that's another price to pay, and because of only using DDR5, it's a bigger one than we saw with 12th gen. I built my 12th gen rig in April. So for comparison an i5-12600k and Z690 combo was around 400-420 from microcenter (through Amazon) which was cheaper even than a comparable 5600X/MB combo at the time, I don't see that being the case here, but I'm hopeful it'll be like 12th gen where at launch board prices were nutts but just a few months later you could find some 150-200ish boards and good combo deals. I won't lie I was leaning Intel anyways because historically I've had to tweak AMD systems more than I'd like and I'm past that point in life, but I definitely checked to make sure I wasn't burning cash and was like okay no I'd actually save money too. So yeah they had nothing to offer me.
Then we get to the actual dollar price, and yeah I don't see it. The 600 series of CPUs is their bread and butter, and I don't think they hit the mark this time around. Maybe in a few years this will be the new 3600? But right now.. meh. Especially for someone like me who loves to game, but doesn't focus on FPS titles. In multiplayer FPS definitely has it's advantages, in single player games, and open world games, FPS concerns kind of slide away. And in the FPS titles is where the 7 series shows any real advantage, for me personally I just want to hit my monitor's refresh rate. So I dunno.
Final thought: Love the innovation, love the amount of uplift they were able to get, but it's kind of like asking Thanos what did it cost? A lot of the reasons to go AMD aren't here for this one IMO.
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TonyG
What happens at initial launch of new generations of tech products is always the same. Some people have to spend, and the industry moves to chase down as many of those buyers as possible. Can't blame them. After all, that's what keeps the ball rolling. Then, after the wave of I don't care what it costs shoppers have completed their assault on the market, the vendor community begins the inevitable move to satisfy the 85% slice of the market---normal tech buyers. So, yeah, Steve is right. R5 7600X builds at anywhere near initial launch are only for the heavy wallets. If you're limited by a reasonable budget, the existing Ryzen 5000 series chips/boards are the way to go. X570 systems can be built to yield significant performance for years to come. I built two X570 systems 3 months ago they are registering in the 95th percentile---without a modern GPU! GPU purchases are still pending, for now. I'm more than satisfied to sit back and watch the heavy wallets do their thing with CPUs, motherboards, DDR5, etc. I'm no more eager to feed this greedy beast than I have been to feed the GPU market over the past two years.
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What happens at initial launch of new generations of tech products is always the same. Some people have to spend, and the industry moves to chase down as many of those buyers as possible. Can't blame them. After all, that's what keeps the ball rolling. Then, after the wave of I don't care what it costs shoppers have completed their assault on the market, the vendor community begins the inevitable move to satisfy the 85% slice of the market---normal tech buyers. So, yeah, Steve is right. R5 7600X builds at anywhere near initial launch are only for the heavy wallets. If you're limited by a reasonable budget, the existing Ryzen 5000 series chips/boards are the way to go. X570 systems can be built to yield significant performance for years to come. I built two X570 systems 3 months ago they are registering in the 95th percentile---without a modern GPU! GPU purchases are still pending, for now. I'm more than satisfied to sit back and watch the heavy wallets do their thing with CPUs, motherboards, DDR5, etc. I'm no more eager to feed this greedy beast than I have been to feed the GPU market over the past two years.
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charles
Hey Gamers Nexus could you make a separate chart for the new AMD and intel chips for their Performance/Watt when they are run in ECO mode. Electricity prices in the UK have risen by 4x and I need a new PC so I am looking to get the absolute best Performance/Watt. With the amount I use my PC I can easily spend the money I save on a less efficient parts in electricity costs at the moment and also it's really bad for the environment. The initial cost of the hardware is less of a concern for me as I run my hardware until it dies my PC is about 10 years old. I would be happy to leave 20-30% performance untapped if over the next couple of years I save it in running costs. Also I would be interested in seeing the thermal's when the CPU's are running in ECO mode as heat is often the best indicator of how long an electronic device will live. At 95C I would never run these chip's stock but the AMD literature says they run better than previous generations at lower power draw
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Hey Gamers Nexus could you make a separate chart for the new AMD and intel chips for their Performance/Watt when they are run in ECO mode. Electricity prices in the UK have risen by 4x and I need a new PC so I am looking to get the absolute best Performance/Watt. With the amount I use my PC I can easily spend the money I save on a less efficient parts in electricity costs at the moment and also it's really bad for the environment. The initial cost of the hardware is less of a concern for me as I run my hardware until it dies my PC is about 10 years old. I would be happy to leave 20-30% performance untapped if over the next couple of years I save it in running costs. Also I would be interested in seeing the thermal's when the CPU's are running in ECO mode as heat is often the best indicator of how long an electronic device will live. At 95C I would never run these chip's stock but the AMD literature says they run better than previous generations at lower power draw
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rains
man, what I'd really love to see is some budget tier CPU/ mobo/ RAM combo from AMD. I upgraded from my FX 9590/ 16GB DDR3 AMD setup to an Intel i3-12100f/ 16GB DDR4 setup ... and I built a whole computer for 650 CAD ( 480 USD). That's a new case, 1TB M.2, new PSU, etc etc ... everything but a GPU.
Then I later upgraded my archaic r9 390x to a NEW TO ME used 6600 XT for 300 CAD ( 220 USD).
That's a whole new rig that was a MASSIVE quantum leap from my 2014/2015 year gaming rig for a total of 950 CAD ( 700 USD).
When I was diving into the performance reviews, and cross-shopping Intel and AMD, I didn't really find entry level hardware that could compete within my budget.
Mind, this was all before the R5 7000 series launched. And looking now, I still couldn't get the bang for my buck that Intel's 12th Gen has.
Hopefully the 7x series eventually bleed down into a viable budget SKU! Not only for the CPU, but mobo, RAM, the whole core components!
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man, what I'd really love to see is some budget tier CPU/ mobo/ RAM combo from AMD. I upgraded from my FX 9590/ 16GB DDR3 AMD setup to an Intel i3-12100f/ 16GB DDR4 setup ... and I built a whole computer for 650 CAD ( 480 USD). That's a new case, 1TB M.2, new PSU, etc etc ... everything but a GPU.
Then I later upgraded my archaic r9 390x to a NEW TO ME used 6600 XT for 300 CAD ( 220 USD).
That's a whole new rig that was a MASSIVE quantum leap from my 2014/2015 year gaming rig for a total of 950 CAD ( 700 USD).
When I was diving into the performance reviews, and cross-shopping Intel and AMD, I didn't really find entry level hardware that could compete within my budget.
Mind, this was all before the R5 7000 series launched. And looking now, I still couldn't get the bang for my buck that Intel's 12th Gen has.
Hopefully the 7x series eventually bleed down into a viable budget SKU! Not only for the CPU, but mobo, RAM, the whole core components!
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Mike
I'm seriously considering the 5700X or 5800X at around 250 USD. I did a bit more shopping of the 5000 series after watching the 7950X video earlier and saw that the price of the 5800X has even dropped considerably. I'm currently running a 3700X, and it's still serving me well, but I'm also getting antsy to buy something new. The 5800X would still serve my needs, give me a significant performance upgrade, give me something new and shiny, while saving quite a bit of cash at the moment. Add the X670 motherboard and DDR5 memory and it ends up being a savings of an additional substantial amount of money. I will eventually cave, but it will be after some more product SKUs come out, mainly the B650 motherboards, and DDR5 prices come down.
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I'm seriously considering the 5700X or 5800X at around 250 USD. I did a bit more shopping of the 5000 series after watching the 7950X video earlier and saw that the price of the 5800X has even dropped considerably. I'm currently running a 3700X, and it's still serving me well, but I'm also getting antsy to buy something new. The 5800X would still serve my needs, give me a significant performance upgrade, give me something new and shiny, while saving quite a bit of cash at the moment. Add the X670 motherboard and DDR5 memory and it ends up being a savings of an additional substantial amount of money. I will eventually cave, but it will be after some more product SKUs come out, mainly the B650 motherboards, and DDR5 prices come down.
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Paul
I watched the Hardware Unboxed review last night ( all reviews came out around 11pm ) and they're calling this a gaming beast ! Now i think that was based on an up to 19% improvment against the 5600x in 12 games.
I immediately thought how expensive an entire tig with this would be as i have just built a 5600x rig 2 months ago.
The CPU/MB/DDR5 RAM/Cooler and PSU higher costs when people are facing tough economic times
And those higher costs will be much worse outside of the USA as that market usually has the lowest prices.
The region i'm in usually has 10/20% increase on small PC parts and things like MB are + 25% GPU's around 50% .
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I watched the Hardware Unboxed review last night ( all reviews came out around 11pm ) and they're calling this a gaming beast ! Now i think that was based on an up to 19% improvment against the 5600x in 12 games.
I immediately thought how expensive an entire tig with this would be as i have just built a 5600x rig 2 months ago.
The CPU/MB/DDR5 RAM/Cooler and PSU higher costs when people are facing tough economic times
And those higher costs will be much worse outside of the USA as that market usually has the lowest prices.
The region i'm in usually has 10/20% increase on small PC parts and things like MB are + 25% GPU's around 50% .
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MaxRei
You always rightfully mention that people should stick with their existing PCs as long as they are happy with their performance. I know, at the release of new CPUs it's important to show the scaling by using the best available GPUs, but could you make a comparison with a lower end card like a 3060, or radeon 6700? The gains with newer CPUs should be a lot less since you're GPU bound sooner. That could make the hype around benchmarks with 3090tis and FOMO a little less. I often feel like those benchmarks wouldn't reflect the gains that I would have since I'd never buy the highest end GPU. Thank you for your work!
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You always rightfully mention that people should stick with their existing PCs as long as they are happy with their performance. I know, at the release of new CPUs it's important to show the scaling by using the best available GPUs, but could you make a comparison with a lower end card like a 3060, or radeon 6700? The gains with newer CPUs should be a lot less since you're GPU bound sooner. That could make the hype around benchmarks with 3090tis and FOMO a little less. I often feel like those benchmarks wouldn't reflect the gains that I would have since I'd never buy the highest end GPU. Thank you for your work!
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Paul
Lack of B650 and X670 ddr4 based boards. This will limit a number of targeted audience who will purchase amd. They try to force people to buy a new set of parts including pricey ddr5 memory. This happened also before with their initial release of zen ryzen 1000 series but the pricing is ok. Slow adoption of ddr4 to ddr5. It doesnt make sense to buy ryzen 7000 series right now.
ryzen 5000 series or Intel 12th gen still has the better value as of today.
I rather stick with my b660 ddr4 Intel i5 12400 and upgrade to raptor once it comes out , together with blck clock generator overclocking.
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Lack of B650 and X670 ddr4 based boards. This will limit a number of targeted audience who will purchase amd. They try to force people to buy a new set of parts including pricey ddr5 memory. This happened also before with their initial release of zen ryzen 1000 series but the pricing is ok. Slow adoption of ddr4 to ddr5. It doesnt make sense to buy ryzen 7000 series right now.
ryzen 5000 series or Intel 12th gen still has the better value as of today.
I rather stick with my b660 ddr4 Intel i5 12400 and upgrade to raptor once it comes out , together with blck clock generator overclocking.
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Alejandro
correct me if i'm wrong but:
there was more performance improvement from the 3k to the 5k series without increasing consumption. In addition, the increase in the price was lower.
The 7000 series with innovations (architecture, PciE, ddr5, etc) consumes an incredible amount of energy, the performance jump is less and you have to change platforms.
Many people get carried away by the hype.
At the moment, the 7000 series is a complete disappointment (at least from my point of view).
Thank you GamersNexus for being one of the few that do their job so, so well.
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correct me if i'm wrong but:
there was more performance improvement from the 3k to the 5k series without increasing consumption. In addition, the increase in the price was lower.
The 7000 series with innovations (architecture, PciE, ddr5, etc) consumes an incredible amount of energy, the performance jump is less and you have to change platforms.
Many people get carried away by the hype.
At the moment, the 7000 series is a complete disappointment (at least from my point of view).
Thank you GamersNexus for being one of the few that do their job so, so well.
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backslash153
So I guess the best action rn, for someone who's mostly focused on gaming, would be to wait for some cheaper, maybe used (?) 5800X3Ds, unless Intel can hit a home-run on their lower priced segments?
Altho I'm overall focusing on a new GPU more than a new CPU anyways, at least if Nvidia can stop shitting the bed and/or RDNA3 can upend the market. And I mean, if DLSS 3 holds what Nvidia promises (big if, I know) CPU bottlenecks will be less of a problem in the future anyways, yeah?
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So I guess the best action rn, for someone who's mostly focused on gaming, would be to wait for some cheaper, maybe used (?) 5800X3Ds, unless Intel can hit a home-run on their lower priced segments?
Altho I'm overall focusing on a new GPU more than a new CPU anyways, at least if Nvidia can stop shitting the bed and/or RDNA3 can upend the market. And I mean, if DLSS 3 holds what Nvidia promises (big if, I know) CPU bottlenecks will be less of a problem in the future anyways, yeah?
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Shawn
Really just looking for a good pair for the 3080 FE I picked up. I want it to run whatever I want at 1440p at a pretty steady 120fps and I want it to do it quiet and cool. Streaming features (iGPU encode) would be a plus but are not a must. Should I just be looking at mid-to-high end last gen Ryzen chips? Alder Lake and Ryzen 7000 both seem like wattage hungry overkill. Should I be looking at a 5800X or a 5600X? Or just a different platform altogether
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Really just looking for a good pair for the 3080 FE I picked up. I want it to run whatever I want at 1440p at a pretty steady 120fps and I want it to do it quiet and cool. Streaming features (iGPU encode) would be a plus but are not a must. Should I just be looking at mid-to-high end last gen Ryzen chips? Alder Lake and Ryzen 7000 both seem like wattage hungry overkill. Should I be looking at a 5800X or a 5600X? Or just a different platform altogether
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sportwarrior14
I was planning (and still am) going with the AM5 for my new system build. I understand all of these (excellent) value points, but it also feels as though AM5 is still a good bet as a new point of entry for people that DO want to go all in on a new future-proof system... DDR5 and a socket with viability for upgrade through at least 2025 is a nice alternative to jumping on an end-of-life AM4 or a near end of life LGA1700...
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I was planning (and still am) going with the AM5 for my new system build. I understand all of these (excellent) value points, but it also feels as though AM5 is still a good bet as a new point of entry for people that DO want to go all in on a new future-proof system... DDR5 and a socket with viability for upgrade through at least 2025 is a nice alternative to jumping on an end-of-life AM4 or a near end of life LGA1700...
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John
Robert has said that for TDP, AMD will typically allow TDP 1.35, so the 7600X is WELL below what AMD likes to allow considering it's a 105W TDP part and this is running all-core 116W. It COULD go all the way up to about 140W and be acceptable to AMD.
I usually take AMD's TDP as a typical power consumption when running medium loads because that's often what it ends up being.
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Robert has said that for TDP, AMD will typically allow TDP 1.35, so the 7600X is WELL below what AMD likes to allow considering it's a 105W TDP part and this is running all-core 116W. It COULD go all the way up to about 140W and be acceptable to AMD.
I usually take AMD's TDP as a typical power consumption when running medium loads because that's often what it ends up being.
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logmover123
The last two motherboards I've bought have been for about 250 each. The first one was a x570 board, it was a good deal and I like the board but it wasn't the steal my second board was. My second board is the ASUS Pro WS X299 SAGE II - A board that typically retails for 750 new I got for 250 before tax, it was pretty much brand new off ebay. Pretty stoked on that find.
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The last two motherboards I've bought have been for about 250 each. The first one was a x570 board, it was a good deal and I like the board but it wasn't the steal my second board was. My second board is the ASUS Pro WS X299 SAGE II - A board that typically retails for 750 new I got for 250 before tax, it was pretty much brand new off ebay. Pretty stoked on that find.
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