RIP Corsair - Hyte Tries to Take Down #1 Case Manufacturer (Y40 & Ultra Thick AIO)
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Date: 2022-12-29
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Because
Idk if ive said this on GN comments before but you guys all get hyped on some of watercoolers thickness and im like that is like stock oil cooler thickness or this one kinda looks about right for a LS corvette supercharger water to air intake cooler(im not gonna explain how that works but cooler air in at high rpm is only possible with a heat exchanger, water to air cooler, cooler air equals more power, its not actually that cold of air but its less then without). Side tracked a bit but yeah maybe the hard pc type should look into like a custom water cooler from a local radiator shop and just bring the fitting you want installed for your build and the dimensions you want. Itll probably be cheaper then watercooling solutions ive seen in pc world and if you really want to get down to it theres car cooling additives you can pour in that keep the fluid colder then common sense would suggest(idk how because chemical engineering). Just suggestions but what do i know im just a rando in the comments
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Idk if ive said this on GN comments before but you guys all get hyped on some of watercoolers thickness and im like that is like stock oil cooler thickness or this one kinda looks about right for a LS corvette supercharger water to air intake cooler(im not gonna explain how that works but cooler air in at high rpm is only possible with a heat exchanger, water to air cooler, cooler air equals more power, its not actually that cold of air but its less then without). Side tracked a bit but yeah maybe the hard pc type should look into like a custom water cooler from a local radiator shop and just bring the fitting you want installed for your build and the dimensions you want. Itll probably be cheaper then watercooling solutions ive seen in pc world and if you really want to get down to it theres car cooling additives you can pour in that keep the fluid colder then common sense would suggest(idk how because chemical engineering). Just suggestions but what do i know im just a rando in the comments
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itech
About the thick radiator. There are custom radiators that are 60 mm thick. I have two of them as 240 dual radiators in my custom liquide cooling. I have stacked those two in a sandwich. 2x 120 mm fan, dual radiator, 2x120 mm fan, dual radiator. What makes for a 170 mm thick block. The 60 mm thick coolers have a lower fin density, so that it's pretty easy to get a good airflow through the radiator and it is possible to use in on an intake or exhaust and actually get an airflow going. One fan placed between two 60 mm thick low density fin radiator already does a good job of creating an airflow through that stack.
PS: In my case this stack pulls air through the left side of the case and blows it out on the right side of the case with cut outs in the side panels I did myself. And I'm using Gentle Typhoons. I tried 35 mm thick scythe monster fans before but that made the package a bit troublesome to fit in the width of the case. But the Typhoons are doing just fine with the fines.
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About the thick radiator. There are custom radiators that are 60 mm thick. I have two of them as 240 dual radiators in my custom liquide cooling. I have stacked those two in a sandwich. 2x 120 mm fan, dual radiator, 2x120 mm fan, dual radiator. What makes for a 170 mm thick block. The 60 mm thick coolers have a lower fin density, so that it's pretty easy to get a good airflow through the radiator and it is possible to use in on an intake or exhaust and actually get an airflow going. One fan placed between two 60 mm thick low density fin radiator already does a good job of creating an airflow through that stack.
PS: In my case this stack pulls air through the left side of the case and blows it out on the right side of the case with cut outs in the side panels I did myself. And I'm using Gentle Typhoons. I tried 35 mm thick scythe monster fans before but that made the package a bit troublesome to fit in the width of the case. But the Typhoons are doing just fine with the fines.
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RANDOMNATION
60 liters = 2.19 cubic feet . . . if that volume is oddly shaped , very square (and or rectangular by form factor) pc hardware will not fit into said volume efficiently.
4D liters = 1.42 cubic feet . . . if that volume is dimensionally consistent with standard pc form factors , that smaller volume will be significantly more efficient.
_HYTE ! ! !_ . . . will you _Please_ make a modern, elegant case that follows the Cooler Master HAF EVO XB design. That legacy case is a Legend , and I'd like my HYTE 're-imagined' version with dark tempered glass, in high gloss piano black, please. And no sharp edges, as per my doctors orders.
I am an adult and I want a grownups pc case. No more of that flashy, toy isle, gamer phag crap for me, please.
Thank you, and Happy New Year.
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60 liters = 2.19 cubic feet . . . if that volume is oddly shaped , very square (and or rectangular by form factor) pc hardware will not fit into said volume efficiently.
4D liters = 1.42 cubic feet . . . if that volume is dimensionally consistent with standard pc form factors , that smaller volume will be significantly more efficient.
_HYTE ! ! !_ . . . will you _Please_ make a modern, elegant case that follows the Cooler Master HAF EVO XB design. That legacy case is a Legend , and I'd like my HYTE 're-imagined' version with dark tempered glass, in high gloss piano black, please. And no sharp edges, as per my doctors orders.
I am an adult and I want a grownups pc case. No more of that flashy, toy isle, gamer phag crap for me, please.
Thank you, and Happy New Year.
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Xerpocalypse
Hyte's cases are nice, but their mechanical keyboard efforts are less than stellar from what I've seen.
The Keeb (they co-opted a term from the keyboard community as their MAIN product name) was originally quoted at 500-700; a keyboard with a hollow, injection-molded back shell. This construction is equivalent to 200 keyboards. It generally makes manufacturing cost very inexpensive in the long run.
People in the keyboard community laughed at that. 500-700 is small-production FULLY CNC machined aluminum or polycarbonate keyboard territory. They reduced the MSRP to 400, but that probably is still too much considering the competition.
Personally I'm not a fan of the brash RIP Corsair branding, it reflects badly on Hyte's company's image.
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Hyte's cases are nice, but their mechanical keyboard efforts are less than stellar from what I've seen.
The Keeb (they co-opted a term from the keyboard community as their MAIN product name) was originally quoted at 500-700; a keyboard with a hollow, injection-molded back shell. This construction is equivalent to 200 keyboards. It generally makes manufacturing cost very inexpensive in the long run.
People in the keyboard community laughed at that. 500-700 is small-production FULLY CNC machined aluminum or polycarbonate keyboard territory. They reduced the MSRP to 400, but that probably is still too much considering the competition.
Personally I'm not a fan of the brash RIP Corsair branding, it reflects badly on Hyte's company's image.
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Ian
I'm surprised case manufacturers haven't started putting in inert gas fire supression systems for when the RTX 4090 spontaneously combusts (sprinklers maybe not appropriate). Its good to see some quality engineering going into this case, its a shame they're not a bit more avant-garde though, but I suppose the way to limit your market, as car manufacturers learned long ago, is to make it stand out from the crowd by more than a minimal amount.
Mind you, I'm someone who misses the beige cases from the 90s and the black IBM tower cases......
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I'm surprised case manufacturers haven't started putting in inert gas fire supression systems for when the RTX 4090 spontaneously combusts (sprinklers maybe not appropriate). Its good to see some quality engineering going into this case, its a shame they're not a bit more avant-garde though, but I suppose the way to limit your market, as car manufacturers learned long ago, is to make it stand out from the crowd by more than a minimal amount.
Mind you, I'm someone who misses the beige cases from the 90s and the black IBM tower cases......
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Vens
Hyte is known for this one case, Corsair has 45 ATX cases on their site. Agreed, most are lookalikes, but still. A different story with Fractal Design, which has quite a few rather different, well designed cases which all compete in a way. Then there is Coolermaster, NZXT, Lian Li etc.
So basically Hyte made good first step. Lets see how it goes forward. Angular corners are expensive doesn't sound too promising. It's not an easy market. Wish them luck, good ideas and some bravery.
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Hyte is known for this one case, Corsair has 45 ATX cases on their site. Agreed, most are lookalikes, but still. A different story with Fractal Design, which has quite a few rather different, well designed cases which all compete in a way. Then there is Coolermaster, NZXT, Lian Li etc.
So basically Hyte made good first step. Lets see how it goes forward. Angular corners are expensive doesn't sound too promising. It's not an easy market. Wish them luck, good ideas and some bravery.
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Jakob
Definitely an interesting Brand, but I am very doubtful about the performance of that 240mm thick AIO.
At the end of the day it is just a 240, just jumping up to a 280 will already result in 36% more area for the air to flow through. Not to mention that those high static pressure fans will probably create more noise and run at higher fan speeds. I think it will be a solution that work for hyte cases, but other cases will work better with just a 360 or 420 AIO.
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Definitely an interesting Brand, but I am very doubtful about the performance of that 240mm thick AIO.
At the end of the day it is just a 240, just jumping up to a 280 will already result in 36% more area for the air to flow through. Not to mention that those high static pressure fans will probably create more noise and run at higher fan speeds. I think it will be a solution that work for hyte cases, but other cases will work better with just a 360 or 420 AIO.
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RANDOMNATION
A Swiss Army knife is a hideously terrible screwdriver , saw, scissors , etc. .... and even a pretty crappy knife. It's an emergency tool not a full fledged machine shop. Make it a basic modular box. Have 'kits' (or modules) for water cooling , air cooling , silence , glass/no glass , high air flow, work station etc.
All the 'design by committee' players get to play but, the consumer doesn't have to pay for features they don't want or need.
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A Swiss Army knife is a hideously terrible screwdriver , saw, scissors , etc. .... and even a pretty crappy knife. It's an emergency tool not a full fledged machine shop. Make it a basic modular box. Have 'kits' (or modules) for water cooling , air cooling , silence , glass/no glass , high air flow, work station etc.
All the 'design by committee' players get to play but, the consumer doesn't have to pay for features they don't want or need.
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Freddie
Honestly who cares if the cooler is expensive? Its clearly trying to do something very different, and doesnt betray the Aestetics but with great performance slogan theyve had so far with their products
Id rather them take this approach and fill a gap in the upper market than make another middle-tier cooler with virtually the same performance as most other mid-range, just with a different logo and different RGB effects. Let them be different
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Honestly who cares if the cooler is expensive? Its clearly trying to do something very different, and doesnt betray the Aestetics but with great performance slogan theyve had so far with their products
Id rather them take this approach and fill a gap in the upper market than make another middle-tier cooler with virtually the same performance as most other mid-range, just with a different logo and different RGB effects. Let them be different
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papiyankee11
This is just hilarious. Hyte removed the only feature that gave them leverage against a superior Lian Li case that's pretty much the same aestheticly. And they want to beat the #1 case, the one that sold because of it's amazing air-cooling capabilities and forgivable first-timer-friendly design... with a glass box that supports 3 fans and is made for a niche expert watercooling audience (who's possibly gonna buy the Lian Li case)
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This is just hilarious. Hyte removed the only feature that gave them leverage against a superior Lian Li case that's pretty much the same aestheticly. And they want to beat the #1 case, the one that sold because of it's amazing air-cooling capabilities and forgivable first-timer-friendly design... with a glass box that supports 3 fans and is made for a niche expert watercooling audience (who's possibly gonna buy the Lian Li case)
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Canny
Generally speaking I prefer 'open air' cases... But if I was to consider a more standard case I think Hyte would be my pick.
Also regarding the cooler. Aren't fans that are set up to 'pull' better than those set up to 'push'? (and Yes I understand high static pressure is required) It's just I was sure if you only had one set of fans, setting them up in a 'pull' configuration was better than 'push'.
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Generally speaking I prefer 'open air' cases... But if I was to consider a more standard case I think Hyte would be my pick.
Also regarding the cooler. Aren't fans that are set up to 'pull' better than those set up to 'push'? (and Yes I understand high static pressure is required) It's just I was sure if you only had one set of fans, setting them up in a 'pull' configuration was better than 'push'.
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Kernelpickle
They should name that AIO the THYQQ AF and say the AF stands for airflow but the rest of the name is reminiscent of the whole Thicc meme on top of it using the Y from their name and the letter Q like they re into, and of course because QQ they re taunting other manufacturers and telling them to go cry.
That way there s the maximum number of memes packed into a single name.
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They should name that AIO the THYQQ AF and say the AF stands for airflow but the rest of the name is reminiscent of the whole Thicc meme on top of it using the Y from their name and the letter Q like they re into, and of course because QQ they re taunting other manufacturers and telling them to go cry.
That way there s the maximum number of memes packed into a single name.
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Philip
I'm loving this content and glad to see more behind the scenes profiles.
I have still have an old Corsair h60 with an asetek pump that used a 50mm thick x 120mm radiator. My case at the time couldn't fit a 240mm AIO. Even more fun I upgraded to dual noctua industrial (because I wanted back) in push/pull and had a 100mm thick monster bolted to my rear exhaust.
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I'm loving this content and glad to see more behind the scenes profiles.
I have still have an old Corsair h60 with an asetek pump that used a 50mm thick x 120mm radiator. My case at the time couldn't fit a 240mm AIO. Even more fun I upgraded to dual noctua industrial (because I wanted back) in push/pull and had a 100mm thick monster bolted to my rear exhaust.
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Mike
Their keyboard is in the high end enthusiast price range, too. I've heard that it will be called the Keeb SR65 and come in around 350 USD. If they are going to try to get into the enthusiast keyboard market at that price, they better bring their A++++++++++++++ game. Even if it includes the switches and keycaps, that is pretty damn high end.
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Their keyboard is in the high end enthusiast price range, too. I've heard that it will be called the Keeb SR65 and come in around 350 USD. If they are going to try to get into the enthusiast keyboard market at that price, they better bring their A++++++++++++++ game. Even if it includes the switches and keycaps, that is pretty damn high end.
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