HW News - Seagate Fined 300m, Intel Kills Mining Division, Acer Unique ITX Pre-Built
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Date: 2023-04-24
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Peter
I recommend against Acer based on 2 different systems which I had from Acer: one desktop with an i5-750 before I assembled it myself and one laptop with an 8350u (Coffee Lake). Both had BSOD's caused by bad firmware. In the first case it had to do with the RAIDcontroller and it took me years to find the cause, a BIOS-update eventually fixed it. I got BSOD's at irregular intervals and not connected to what I was doing with my system, on average probably around 1 BSOD per few weeks. For the laptop with the 8350u it is far worse, I got one BSOD per hour on average. That was not the case when I just started to use the laptop but around 2 years later something changed with Windows that introduced it. I tried everything to fix it: I did a clean install (not from a recovery partition, I removed that first), I tried to not use any of the OEM-drivers, I tried it with the latest OEM-drivers from their website, I tried to disable hardware which was not recognized properly. Nothing worked. You might be wondering how I know that it is a software-problem the problem is between Acer and Windows? Because I never had a crash on it since I installed Linux on it, never any problem.
Two different systems roughly 10 years apart. That is more than just bad luck in my opinion. I don't buy any system from Acer anymore. (I also avoid ASUS but for hardware-reasons), their firmware/drivers quality control seems to be pretty bad.
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I recommend against Acer based on 2 different systems which I had from Acer: one desktop with an i5-750 before I assembled it myself and one laptop with an 8350u (Coffee Lake). Both had BSOD's caused by bad firmware. In the first case it had to do with the RAIDcontroller and it took me years to find the cause, a BIOS-update eventually fixed it. I got BSOD's at irregular intervals and not connected to what I was doing with my system, on average probably around 1 BSOD per few weeks. For the laptop with the 8350u it is far worse, I got one BSOD per hour on average. That was not the case when I just started to use the laptop but around 2 years later something changed with Windows that introduced it. I tried everything to fix it: I did a clean install (not from a recovery partition, I removed that first), I tried to not use any of the OEM-drivers, I tried it with the latest OEM-drivers from their website, I tried to disable hardware which was not recognized properly. Nothing worked. You might be wondering how I know that it is a software-problem the problem is between Acer and Windows? Because I never had a crash on it since I installed Linux on it, never any problem.
Two different systems roughly 10 years apart. That is more than just bad luck in my opinion. I don't buy any system from Acer anymore. (I also avoid ASUS but for hardware-reasons), their firmware/drivers quality control seems to be pretty bad.
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idahofur
I find it funny about the m.2 heat sinks. I just sold a board with a aftermarket cpu cooler that would block one of the 3 m.2 slots from using a heat sink with a fan. Also most of the modules I use don't even work using the option motherboard heat sinks due to them pressing down on the chip to bend it like a U. Plus when I do a quick search (I might just have not found it yet.) I don't see any mfg. saying you need to use a heat sink on the module itself. As for the naming / specs for products. I gave up on that years ago. Until I'm ready to look at said product. Then I look at mfg, naming, numbers, specs, etc etc to make an educated guess on a purchase. Mostly the choice is based on Benchmarks, Budget and what is the main software they will be using with the items.
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I find it funny about the m.2 heat sinks. I just sold a board with a aftermarket cpu cooler that would block one of the 3 m.2 slots from using a heat sink with a fan. Also most of the modules I use don't even work using the option motherboard heat sinks due to them pressing down on the chip to bend it like a U. Plus when I do a quick search (I might just have not found it yet.) I don't see any mfg. saying you need to use a heat sink on the module itself. As for the naming / specs for products. I gave up on that years ago. Until I'm ready to look at said product. Then I look at mfg, naming, numbers, specs, etc etc to make an educated guess on a purchase. Mostly the choice is based on Benchmarks, Budget and what is the main software they will be using with the items.
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Creed
I am not going to use MSI anymore as I bought one of their motherboards during the pandemic - when the Asus boards were sold out and unavailable . Anyways - the MSI board showed a GPU issue on the motherboard readout and I sent that back and it was perfectly fine . RMA'd the board and they repaired it and sent it back - they didn't even repair the broken Bios Battery holder . A bit later the board died again so I just purchased an Asus . At least Asus always lasts until the next upgrade - which is usually 5 years or more for me . Just comes to mind every time I hear of more MSI shenanigans - LoL !!
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I am not going to use MSI anymore as I bought one of their motherboards during the pandemic - when the Asus boards were sold out and unavailable . Anyways - the MSI board showed a GPU issue on the motherboard readout and I sent that back and it was perfectly fine . RMA'd the board and they repaired it and sent it back - they didn't even repair the broken Bios Battery holder . A bit later the board died again so I just purchased an Asus . At least Asus always lasts until the next upgrade - which is usually 5 years or more for me . Just comes to mind every time I hear of more MSI shenanigans - LoL !!
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Le
Before building I used to own two acer systems and while they weren't exactly what I would build myself, they were decent products and never had any problems with. I'm kinda rooting for Acer here. The closest thing we have these days is probably systems like the MSI Aegis prebuilts but those are kinda just DIY builds poorly assembled. Acer on the other hand seems to be headed in this OEM direction with more and more of their own components. Sure, OEM doesn't necessarily invoke trust or faith but there can be production cost (and price) advantages.
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Before building I used to own two acer systems and while they weren't exactly what I would build myself, they were decent products and never had any problems with. I'm kinda rooting for Acer here. The closest thing we have these days is probably systems like the MSI Aegis prebuilts but those are kinda just DIY builds poorly assembled. Acer on the other hand seems to be headed in this OEM direction with more and more of their own components. Sure, OEM doesn't necessarily invoke trust or faith but there can be production cost (and price) advantages.
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Emilyshabang
Acer has made some pretty cool products over the years, and the Orion def looks to continue that. I've had a few laptops from them as they were a good bang for the buck. It seems like their products aren't as good as the big names like Asus, MSI, etc but they are decent for the price. The 4090 will be the most interesting part of that prebuilt...will it be like the P.O.S. Alienware/Dell oem GPUs, or actually a well built and properly setup GPU. Very interested to see you review the Orion
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Acer has made some pretty cool products over the years, and the Orion def looks to continue that. I've had a few laptops from them as they were a good bang for the buck. It seems like their products aren't as good as the big names like Asus, MSI, etc but they are decent for the price. The 4090 will be the most interesting part of that prebuilt...will it be like the P.O.S. Alienware/Dell oem GPUs, or actually a well built and properly setup GPU. Very interested to see you review the Orion
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Clown
I like SFF build and i hate sandwich layout. This is a very inefficient layout. Because it remove the CPU max cooler height but add the GPU's thickness into the buil thickness. But you need to add some height for a radiator because you canot air cool a powerfull CPU in it.
On the other hand you have a standard layout with a radiator mount on the side, over the CPU, like in the NR200, with plenty of GPU clearance, plenty of CPU air cooling clearance and top tier cooling performance.
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I like SFF build and i hate sandwich layout. This is a very inefficient layout. Because it remove the CPU max cooler height but add the GPU's thickness into the buil thickness. But you need to add some height for a radiator because you canot air cool a powerfull CPU in it.
On the other hand you have a standard layout with a radiator mount on the side, over the CPU, like in the NR200, with plenty of GPU clearance, plenty of CPU air cooling clearance and top tier cooling performance.
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Ronsen
Wow I had no idea Seagate has such a bad rep now. I've only had one HDD fail on me and I believe it was a Samsung about a decade ago. Stuck with WD and Seagate for HDDs and haven't had any problems with them so far. My previous PC had multiple Seagate drives on it though and it's been wrapped up and inactive for a little over a year now. Hopefully I won't have problems with those when I decide to boot that PC back up again because that would suck.
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Wow I had no idea Seagate has such a bad rep now. I've only had one HDD fail on me and I believe it was a Samsung about a decade ago. Stuck with WD and Seagate for HDDs and haven't had any problems with them so far. My previous PC had multiple Seagate drives on it though and it's been wrapped up and inactive for a little over a year now. Hopefully I won't have problems with those when I decide to boot that PC back up again because that would suck.
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Gamers
We filmed this before the X3D self-combustion got big, but just so you all know: We have one of the exploded X3D CPUs + its motherboard on the way to our lab and we'll be investigating it as soon as it arrives from the user who posted it on reddit. We are also working with the same failure analysis lab that did the 12VHPWR cables with us previously. Should be fun!
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We filmed this before the X3D self-combustion got big, but just so you all know: We have one of the exploded X3D CPUs + its motherboard on the way to our lab and we'll be investigating it as soon as it arrives from the user who posted it on reddit. We are also working with the same failure analysis lab that did the 12VHPWR cables with us previously. Should be fun!
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ZleFox
Lol the Seagate story was so similar to my take. Imo it is all a CIA operation to sabotage huawei to use seagate disks. I am avoiding them for more than 10 years now. How do they have such massive presence in enterprise storage is beyond me.
Acer is another company I am avoiding. It would be very interesting if we finally see some competence coming from them
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Lol the Seagate story was so similar to my take. Imo it is all a CIA operation to sabotage huawei to use seagate disks. I am avoiding them for more than 10 years now. How do they have such massive presence in enterprise storage is beyond me.
Acer is another company I am avoiding. It would be very interesting if we finally see some competence coming from them
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Ernest
I have never had a problem with a seagate drive, sorry you had issues. I have and almost exclusively use them after massive failures from WD. I live very close to a seagate facility and Ive always had a rule of thumb that the further a HDD travels the more likely it is to fail. they only travel about 10 miles if that to the closest retailer
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I have never had a problem with a seagate drive, sorry you had issues. I have and almost exclusively use them after massive failures from WD. I live very close to a seagate facility and Ive always had a rule of thumb that the further a HDD travels the more likely it is to fail. they only travel about 10 miles if that to the closest retailer
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Norman
I expect spinning/mechanical hard drives to fail. With that expectation in mind, I've had better luck with Seagate than Western Digital. That's both in the drives themselves, and subsequent warranty service. The real question for me is whether I'll actually buy a hard drive ever again, as opposed to SSDs.
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I expect spinning/mechanical hard drives to fail. With that expectation in mind, I've had better luck with Seagate than Western Digital. That's both in the drives themselves, and subsequent warranty service. The real question for me is whether I'll actually buy a hard drive ever again, as opposed to SSDs.
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Cousin
I was recently wondering if SeaGate was still trash and fails.
Glad to know that I got an easy and quick answer just by watching.
I got a WD black drive in my current rig that's from 2 PCs ago- so like 15+ years? IDK. The Seagate external I had that never moved died in less than 2 years.
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I was recently wondering if SeaGate was still trash and fails.
Glad to know that I got an easy and quick answer just by watching.
I got a WD black drive in my current rig that's from 2 PCs ago- so like 15+ years? IDK. The Seagate external I had that never moved died in less than 2 years.
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SiO2
Finally someone pointing out that slapping stickers on a GPU is pretty lame. Remember those uninspired and cringe stickers that covered the stock cooling solutions of 2000s GPUs? Mostly either random fantasy-like characters or flames. Or both . Really was hoping this was over. Seems it's not.
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Finally someone pointing out that slapping stickers on a GPU is pretty lame. Remember those uninspired and cringe stickers that covered the stock cooling solutions of 2000s GPUs? Mostly either random fantasy-like characters or flames. Or both . Really was hoping this was over. Seems it's not.
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Tommy
Knowing seagate they probably loaded up the drives heading for china with all the secrets possible to spare their spy ops the hassle of stealing those
Fun fact here - seagate was fined twice the amount of profit they got from that sale ... so they will think twice before doing it again.
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Knowing seagate they probably loaded up the drives heading for china with all the secrets possible to spare their spy ops the hassle of stealing those
Fun fact here - seagate was fined twice the amount of profit they got from that sale ... so they will think twice before doing it again.
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