Huge PC Part Comparison Charts GN Mega Chart Benchmarks
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Date: 2023-12-08
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MrSmitheroons
Thanks for doing all this!
For the cooler charts, I say make a really clear separation of one test bench to the next. Separate page, separate view, whatever as long as they're not shown on the screen at the same time. Not under the same heading, etc.
Bottom line is, order of best to worst is what matters, and that is totally non-comparable at all across test benches, AM4 vs LGA1700 vs AM5 are completely different beasts for thermal density and the geometry of where about the socket are the actual hot dies are. To the point where Noctua's offset mount makes a multi-degree-C difference on AM5. And weird stuff like the aftermarket ILM replacement to straighten out the IHS makes a big difference on LGA1700 but none on AM5.
So, please separate the cooler charts distinctly where people don't casually cross-compare across test benches thinking they're basically the same.
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Thanks for doing all this!
For the cooler charts, I say make a really clear separation of one test bench to the next. Separate page, separate view, whatever as long as they're not shown on the screen at the same time. Not under the same heading, etc.
Bottom line is, order of best to worst is what matters, and that is totally non-comparable at all across test benches, AM4 vs LGA1700 vs AM5 are completely different beasts for thermal density and the geometry of where about the socket are the actual hot dies are. To the point where Noctua's offset mount makes a multi-degree-C difference on AM5. And weird stuff like the aftermarket ILM replacement to straighten out the IHS makes a big difference on LGA1700 but none on AM5.
So, please separate the cooler charts distinctly where people don't casually cross-compare across test benches thinking they're basically the same.
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4nyNoob
why not have the charts as HTML stuff on the site?
i know that having a app where you can filter over the kinds of CPUs and GPUs isn't the most lightweight way of doing things, but i personally feel like having a chart where you can filter stuff that's available for you at the moment or comparing specific parts to each other would be awesome if the prices fluctuate after review, maybe the market on some regions won't apply to the pricing seen in the US
i completely understand that this would be a clusterf of work to keep updated an the underlying system would be at least very annoying to develop, i'm not webdev or developer in general, but i know more or less how things are made
but as an user, having a tool that i can see how a CPU compares to each other in some workloads instead of a synthetic load (i'm looking at you cpu userbenchmaks) would be absolute GOLD
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why not have the charts as HTML stuff on the site?
i know that having a app where you can filter over the kinds of CPUs and GPUs isn't the most lightweight way of doing things, but i personally feel like having a chart where you can filter stuff that's available for you at the moment or comparing specific parts to each other would be awesome if the prices fluctuate after review, maybe the market on some regions won't apply to the pricing seen in the US
i completely understand that this would be a clusterf of work to keep updated an the underlying system would be at least very annoying to develop, i'm not webdev or developer in general, but i know more or less how things are made
but as an user, having a tool that i can see how a CPU compares to each other in some workloads instead of a synthetic load (i'm looking at you cpu userbenchmaks) would be absolute GOLD
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supra107
I would love to see this get more ambitious where it won't be a single article with a bunch of static chart JPEGs that have to be manually updated, but rather a fully dynamic page where all the data can be easily displayed, filtered, and most importantly up to date since it'll be a case of updating the database with the data and the charts will automatically update and show the fresh data.
I know it's a lot of work, but it would be the most ideal way to display all the data in the media format that is a web page. Hence the usage of word ambitious . A format like that would be the endgame. Like, vector formatted charts that scale to any resolution, with the list of all the data sets being shown on the left. Then the product names in the chart can be searchable hotlinks and so on.
EDIT: Yes I didn't watch the whole video before posting.
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I would love to see this get more ambitious where it won't be a single article with a bunch of static chart JPEGs that have to be manually updated, but rather a fully dynamic page where all the data can be easily displayed, filtered, and most importantly up to date since it'll be a case of updating the database with the data and the charts will automatically update and show the fresh data.
I know it's a lot of work, but it would be the most ideal way to display all the data in the media format that is a web page. Hence the usage of word ambitious . A format like that would be the endgame. Like, vector formatted charts that scale to any resolution, with the list of all the data sets being shown on the left. Then the product names in the chart can be searchable hotlinks and so on.
EDIT: Yes I didn't watch the whole video before posting.
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wouldntyaliktono
Hey Steve! Thanks for this! Huge leap forward for the community. I wonder if it's possible for you to publish these numbers as flat tables to a GitHub repo as well? I presume you've got them stored in a spreadsheet somewhere so just pushing them up to a GN repo in CSV format would open the door to all kinds of amazing community contributions and analyses. And the cool thing about a version-controlled repository is that you don't need to worry about tracking the updates you make to your numbers over time. All that is handled behind the scenes by the repo itself. So you can go back and look at snapshots from the past, any time you want. It's 100% transparency by design. (It'll also probably incentivize people not to just scrape your site and scan these charts with OCR software, which is an added bonus).
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Hey Steve! Thanks for this! Huge leap forward for the community. I wonder if it's possible for you to publish these numbers as flat tables to a GitHub repo as well? I presume you've got them stored in a spreadsheet somewhere so just pushing them up to a GN repo in CSV format would open the door to all kinds of amazing community contributions and analyses. And the cool thing about a version-controlled repository is that you don't need to worry about tracking the updates you make to your numbers over time. All that is handled behind the scenes by the repo itself. So you can go back and look at snapshots from the past, any time you want. It's 100% transparency by design. (It'll also probably incentivize people not to just scrape your site and scan these charts with OCR software, which is an added bonus).
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jhowle9475
The thing that annoys me about power consumption charts is that there is no delineation between absolute peak power consumption and average power usage. This is important because the average user will never see peak power consumption and will be obviously swayed by data that doesn't actually apply to them. This is because your charts only reflect absolute peak power consumption. Especially when only showing data for consumption where it applies to production tasks. Power consumption for gaming will always be far less for this use case while being simultaneously applicable to a broader audience. Thusly, the narrow scope of power consumption data you choose to reflect is largely misleading for for people who stick with average use cases.
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The thing that annoys me about power consumption charts is that there is no delineation between absolute peak power consumption and average power usage. This is important because the average user will never see peak power consumption and will be obviously swayed by data that doesn't actually apply to them. This is because your charts only reflect absolute peak power consumption. Especially when only showing data for consumption where it applies to production tasks. Power consumption for gaming will always be far less for this use case while being simultaneously applicable to a broader audience. Thusly, the narrow scope of power consumption data you choose to reflect is largely misleading for for people who stick with average use cases.
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danielleavitt5411
You guys do seem to be having a lot more fun in your videos lately. Yesterday's aimless walk/rant about Intel was great.
I would love to be able to have the ability to customize the charts. For example, If I was cross shopping A Ryzen 5 and i5, I could just search the two skews I am interested in and the site would give me side-by-side of just those two CPUs for benchmarks, but also provide additional properties like core count, boost clocks on 1 or more cores, types of cores, cache, available (and generation) of PCIE lanes, etc. This would get me up to speed after not paying attention for the past few generations.
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You guys do seem to be having a lot more fun in your videos lately. Yesterday's aimless walk/rant about Intel was great.
I would love to be able to have the ability to customize the charts. For example, If I was cross shopping A Ryzen 5 and i5, I could just search the two skews I am interested in and the site would give me side-by-side of just those two CPUs for benchmarks, but also provide additional properties like core count, boost clocks on 1 or more cores, types of cores, cache, available (and generation) of PCIE lanes, etc. This would get me up to speed after not paying attention for the past few generations.
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Lishtenbird
As someone who is always waiting an economically reasonable time between upgrades, I can confirm that finding actual improvement numbers between _current component I have_ and _new tested component_ is very often difficult and/or tedious because comparisons mostly feature one-two previous generations, and maybe a flagship/milestone product from earlier. And in case you have some even older piece of technology that you're thinking of decommissioning, it may as well be impossible to find comparable data because all the benchmarks have changed by then. So having everything in one place would, indeed, be immensely helpful!
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As someone who is always waiting an economically reasonable time between upgrades, I can confirm that finding actual improvement numbers between _current component I have_ and _new tested component_ is very often difficult and/or tedious because comparisons mostly feature one-two previous generations, and maybe a flagship/milestone product from earlier. And in case you have some even older piece of technology that you're thinking of decommissioning, it may as well be impossible to find comparable data because all the benchmarks have changed by then. So having everything in one place would, indeed, be immensely helpful!
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WAFFULS
Is it possible to have a monitor centric gaming review. The idea is if you have a 144hz monitor what gpu is good enough or on the other side if your running at 4k what cpu can you get away with. I know with time games get more demanding but I feel like people don't really talk about monitors when spec'ing a system. The website is amazing and has all of us realize how horribly slow websites are. Also, for the progress bar on the top, it would be nice to drag that to scroll through the webpage. And, for the table of contents have it minimize when you click off of it, thanks.
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Is it possible to have a monitor centric gaming review. The idea is if you have a 144hz monitor what gpu is good enough or on the other side if your running at 4k what cpu can you get away with. I know with time games get more demanding but I feel like people don't really talk about monitors when spec'ing a system. The website is amazing and has all of us realize how horribly slow websites are. Also, for the progress bar on the top, it would be nice to drag that to scroll through the webpage. And, for the table of contents have it minimize when you click off of it, thanks.
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jttech44
Thanks Steve.
I understand keeping this on a delayed release, so people can't just pass off your data as their own immediately post embargo. Having it all in once place is tops, because I too have dug through multiple videos to find the chart I was thinking of. Specifically for CPU bench results and cooler results. Those are particularly handy bits of info, because they're very real-world and represents some key things to consider when designing a system.
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Thanks Steve.
I understand keeping this on a delayed release, so people can't just pass off your data as their own immediately post embargo. Having it all in once place is tops, because I too have dug through multiple videos to find the chart I was thinking of. Specifically for CPU bench results and cooler results. Those are particularly handy bits of info, because they're very real-world and represents some key things to consider when designing a system.
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shahared1
This makes me happy. I recently purchased parts for a new computer build, and since I can't afford top of the line stuff, most of the parts were not brand new. Searching through the GN videos to find information on parts I was interested in took quite a bit of time, and these new pages are going to make future builds so much easier. Thank you for helping people like me find this kind of information, and helping us to make more informed hardware decisions.
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This makes me happy. I recently purchased parts for a new computer build, and since I can't afford top of the line stuff, most of the parts were not brand new. Searching through the GN videos to find information on parts I was interested in took quite a bit of time, and these new pages are going to make future builds so much easier. Thank you for helping people like me find this kind of information, and helping us to make more informed hardware decisions.
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hubertnnn
For those game updated tests instead of pruning and retesting you could do two things:
1. Download a specific version of the game and just keep testing with the same version regardless of updates.
2. Keep multiple charts with game selector version, so you could select older version of the game to compare historic data.
Combining these two you could eg. update your game once a year and have that selector for those early versions.
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For those game updated tests instead of pruning and retesting you could do two things:
1. Download a specific version of the game and just keep testing with the same version regardless of updates.
2. Keep multiple charts with game selector version, so you could select older version of the game to compare historic data.
Combining these two you could eg. update your game once a year and have that selector for those early versions.
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xpodx
if i had to complain about your site, id say you should have a quick easy way to get fastest cpu 1080p testing graphs, and fastest gpu 4k so if someone wants a quick easy way to check from a reliable source its right there. i just checked and it took some digging and wasnt a ton of graphs showing it. so maybe have a staff test or put together all the gpus from 2019-2023 or so. just my thoughts. keep up the amazing work bro.
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if i had to complain about your site, id say you should have a quick easy way to get fastest cpu 1080p testing graphs, and fastest gpu 4k so if someone wants a quick easy way to check from a reliable source its right there. i just checked and it took some digging and wasnt a ton of graphs showing it. so maybe have a staff test or put together all the gpus from 2019-2023 or so. just my thoughts. keep up the amazing work bro.
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alexmills1329
I support the chart by methodology approach. That way you can keep historical testing of well outdated products as is and comparable to its own place, and whatever overlapping products that were tested in the new and old ways will be a good rough scale for how the old lines up with new testing on legacy hardware without requiring ancient systems to be kept around and updated for a very small benefit.
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I support the chart by methodology approach. That way you can keep historical testing of well outdated products as is and comparable to its own place, and whatever overlapping products that were tested in the new and old ways will be a good rough scale for how the old lines up with new testing on legacy hardware without requiring ancient systems to be kept around and updated for a very small benefit.
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annettesurfer
Meh, I guess I'm not smart enough to make sense of it. I just need something quiet and reliable to replace the noisy CoolerMaster MasterLiquid ML280 Mirror ARGB mistake I put in a Phanteks Eclipse P500A D-RGB case to cool a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and Gigabyte RTX 4090 Gaming OC 24GB. I guess I could enlarge the chart, throw a dart at it and whatever it landed on would be an improvement.
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Meh, I guess I'm not smart enough to make sense of it. I just need something quiet and reliable to replace the noisy CoolerMaster MasterLiquid ML280 Mirror ARGB mistake I put in a Phanteks Eclipse P500A D-RGB case to cool a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and Gigabyte RTX 4090 Gaming OC 24GB. I guess I could enlarge the chart, throw a dart at it and whatever it landed on would be an improvement.
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johnromberg
The year was 1999. As NATO was bombing civilian targets all around my home I was making dynamically drawn and updated charts in what was than know as DHTML, just for fun.
So, guys, I appreciate the effort in producing all of the data, but are you kidding me with presenting it as images in 2023?! And with no more than zero tomahawk missiles ominously whistling over your heads!
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The year was 1999. As NATO was bombing civilian targets all around my home I was making dynamically drawn and updated charts in what was than know as DHTML, just for fun.
So, guys, I appreciate the effort in producing all of the data, but are you kidding me with presenting it as images in 2023?! And with no more than zero tomahawk missiles ominously whistling over your heads!
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ash36230
Contentment is knowing you're right. Happiness is knowing someone else is wrong. I love how over the top these intros are getting
As for the megachart, would it be easier for display to upload the values into an SQL database (or XML) and then generate the graphics like that? Would save having gigantic images. Users can then also easily compare whatever they're looking at.
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Contentment is knowing you're right. Happiness is knowing someone else is wrong. I love how over the top these intros are getting
As for the megachart, would it be easier for display to upload the values into an SQL database (or XML) and then generate the graphics like that? Would save having gigantic images. Users can then also easily compare whatever they're looking at.
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d.mat.zero6525
Steve this what dont understand, i live to combat bots, i am the bot bot annihilator, not the vibrator but the vindicator. no bot nor scam shall triumph over me, i herald and adorn the ancient moniker Sllabym Kcil which no mere fake shall fool.
oh and no rush but when am i going to get that free gift? i veemo d the money to you guys weeks ago...
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Steve this what dont understand, i live to combat bots, i am the bot bot annihilator, not the vibrator but the vindicator. no bot nor scam shall triumph over me, i herald and adorn the ancient moniker Sllabym Kcil which no mere fake shall fool.
oh and no rush but when am i going to get that free gift? i veemo d the money to you guys weeks ago...
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JemaKnight
Wow, and you're telling me you didn't even need a multi-million dollar investment in a new building?
Seriously though, thank you. This is such a useful tool I would 100% be paying for this if it required it (although I'm glad it doesn't).
I'll be subscribing to the Patreon after this comment, and picking up a couple things from your store.
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Wow, and you're telling me you didn't even need a multi-million dollar investment in a new building?
Seriously though, thank you. This is such a useful tool I would 100% be paying for this if it required it (although I'm glad it doesn't).
I'll be subscribing to the Patreon after this comment, and picking up a couple things from your store.
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drahkas8526
Thank you! I recently upgraded from a 10700k to a 7800X3D and I really need some charts to feed into my confirmation bias. I definitely made a good choice... right? Please charts, make me feel better!
For reals tho, it really eats at me. I have nightmares about burning money on upgrades without knowing if it really is an upgrade.
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Thank you! I recently upgraded from a 10700k to a 7800X3D and I really need some charts to feed into my confirmation bias. I definitely made a good choice... right? Please charts, make me feel better!
For reals tho, it really eats at me. I have nightmares about burning money on upgrades without knowing if it really is an upgrade.
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4fluxsake
Dude this is huge, I don t know how many times I went back to your older videos to check a component I wanted to buy, then I find it but there isn t what I want to compare it against
This is especially useful to compare used hw vs the latest offering (like when I got my 1080ti last year)
Thank you so much!
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Dude this is huge, I don t know how many times I went back to your older videos to check a component I wanted to buy, then I find it but there isn t what I want to compare it against
This is especially useful to compare used hw vs the latest offering (like when I got my 1080ti last year)
Thank you so much!
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