Scythe Gets Aggressive: Budget CPU Coolers & FUMA Overhaul
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Date: 2024-06-02
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photonboy999
NOCTUA has a problem due to DIMINISHING benefits. It gets harder and harder to get that extra degree of cooling. If you instead don't do as much research but instead charge LESS MONEY for an almost-as-good cooler then it gets harder to justify the Noctua. Big Noctua fan here. I just bought a Thermalright Assassin 120 SE. Although PART of the reason was my case only handles 155mm height, I still can't justify paying BEYOND a certain amount extra... not to mention a carefully thought out CURVE makes a huge difference in fan noise... (It always BAFFLES me when people get overkill CPU coolers and/or ramp up the fans so they can keep the CPU at 10 or 20degC cooler than it needs to be. Run it hot, i.e. 70degC idle to 85degC max loadand keep the fan noise LOW!)
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NOCTUA has a problem due to DIMINISHING benefits. It gets harder and harder to get that extra degree of cooling. If you instead don't do as much research but instead charge LESS MONEY for an almost-as-good cooler then it gets harder to justify the Noctua. Big Noctua fan here. I just bought a Thermalright Assassin 120 SE. Although PART of the reason was my case only handles 155mm height, I still can't justify paying BEYOND a certain amount extra... not to mention a carefully thought out CURVE makes a huge difference in fan noise... (It always BAFFLES me when people get overkill CPU coolers and/or ramp up the fans so they can keep the CPU at 10 or 20degC cooler than it needs to be. Run it hot, i.e. 70degC idle to 85degC max loadand keep the fan noise LOW!)
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MikeBender1972
My Be Quiet! Darkrock Pro 4 works pretty good with my 9700KF. Overclocking starts to show it's limits tho... Of both the cooler and my silicon lottery ticket lol
The Silverstone RL-06 is still a good case but the cooler rests against the side panel plastic. I keep looking at the Y70 and a AOI like the Artic Liquid Freezer III.
The Torrent and a new braket for the BQDP4 or new 5 for the new CPU I get, 7800X3D most likely, would work perfectly fine... If not cooler than an AOI & Y70... Idk about quieter tho.
Would love to see a indepth AOI vs DRP4/5 or better match-up
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My Be Quiet! Darkrock Pro 4 works pretty good with my 9700KF. Overclocking starts to show it's limits tho... Of both the cooler and my silicon lottery ticket lol
The Silverstone RL-06 is still a good case but the cooler rests against the side panel plastic. I keep looking at the Y70 and a AOI like the Artic Liquid Freezer III.
The Torrent and a new braket for the BQDP4 or new 5 for the new CPU I get, 7800X3D most likely, would work perfectly fine... If not cooler than an AOI & Y70... Idk about quieter tho.
Would love to see a indepth AOI vs DRP4/5 or better match-up
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Kamodomon
Question for the GN team: do you feel like there's a potential conflict of interest (or possible avenue for drama) in the future with how often GN and Scythe collaborate for special content pieces for GN and possible Scythe products in the future This isn't me trying to rag on you all, to be clear. I think the stuff Scythe has done for GN to help it answer questions about cooling and why certain things are done is very interesting but I just am slightly concerned about where things could go in the future. Don't want Scythe to get salty from a negative review or something, you know
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Question for the GN team: do you feel like there's a potential conflict of interest (or possible avenue for drama) in the future with how often GN and Scythe collaborate for special content pieces for GN and possible Scythe products in the future This isn't me trying to rag on you all, to be clear. I think the stuff Scythe has done for GN to help it answer questions about cooling and why certain things are done is very interesting but I just am slightly concerned about where things could go in the future. Don't want Scythe to get salty from a negative review or something, you know
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kamikaze00007
I think we've already hit a wall with tower coolers with regards to high-end CPU cooling. They might need to do some drastic structural changes to accommodate the thermal headroom required by such CPUs. Perhaps kind of like the Jiushark or the Thermosyphon Ice Giant approach. Maybe crazy designs like triple-stacked towers (most big tower coolers have two), or 22 quad-stack with fans pointing up, or angled towers with wider fin-stacks. Heck, at this point I think it might even be worth it to try a cube single tower with three fans (2 sides, 1 on top or bottom).
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I think we've already hit a wall with tower coolers with regards to high-end CPU cooling. They might need to do some drastic structural changes to accommodate the thermal headroom required by such CPUs. Perhaps kind of like the Jiushark or the Thermosyphon Ice Giant approach. Maybe crazy designs like triple-stacked towers (most big tower coolers have two), or 22 quad-stack with fans pointing up, or angled towers with wider fin-stacks. Heck, at this point I think it might even be worth it to try a cube single tower with three fans (2 sides, 1 on top or bottom).
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Z020852
Magoroku translates to sixth descendant or something. Closest thing to a knife that I'm aware of is that there is a shop in Seki City named Seki Magoroku connected to Shun...which AFAIK is actually US-owned or something, and is the one that used to be all over Food Network. Similar to that is Miyabi that is actually owned by a German conglomerate, Zwilling-JA Henckels. The pattern on the sides is kind of like how layered steel except at that stage there wouldn't be an edge yet so it'd look more like a U or a full rectangle of the cladding alloy over the core alloy.
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Magoroku translates to sixth descendant or something. Closest thing to a knife that I'm aware of is that there is a shop in Seki City named Seki Magoroku connected to Shun...which AFAIK is actually US-owned or something, and is the one that used to be all over Food Network. Similar to that is Miyabi that is actually owned by a German conglomerate, Zwilling-JA Henckels. The pattern on the sides is kind of like how layered steel except at that stage there wouldn't be an edge yet so it'd look more like a U or a full rectangle of the cladding alloy over the core alloy.
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0x8badbeef
I still think all these designs are too focused on looks than on function. What I found is key to cooling is to ensure each heat generating device get fresh air (and not the exhaust air from other heat generating devices). That said, the only solution that makes sense are manifolds. But they are ugly (and they hide all that pretty RGB). These designs squabble over improvements for a couple degrees. But having fresh air can get you 10C degrees. Also add exhaust manifolds and ensure its hot air don't find its way to the intake manifolds.
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I still think all these designs are too focused on looks than on function. What I found is key to cooling is to ensure each heat generating device get fresh air (and not the exhaust air from other heat generating devices). That said, the only solution that makes sense are manifolds. But they are ugly (and they hide all that pretty RGB). These designs squabble over improvements for a couple degrees. But having fresh air can get you 10C degrees. Also add exhaust manifolds and ensure its hot air don't find its way to the intake manifolds.
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matthewhafner962
5:45 As a corollary. The maximum possible energy extraction efficiency for a wind turbine is about 59%. That's because the wind going into the turbine has to also push the air behind the turbine to flow through it. So yeah, your back pressure intuition is spot on. Even though some of the volumetric airflow of the fan will escape the fin stack now, the cooling performance should increase because the fan can use more of its energy to push air through the stack rather than being stalled by backflow.
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5:45 As a corollary. The maximum possible energy extraction efficiency for a wind turbine is about 59%. That's because the wind going into the turbine has to also push the air behind the turbine to flow through it. So yeah, your back pressure intuition is spot on. Even though some of the volumetric airflow of the fan will escape the fin stack now, the cooling performance should increase because the fan can use more of its energy to push air through the stack rather than being stalled by backflow.
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WouterVerbruggen
Straighter heatpipes for higher performance makes sense, the more curves the more resistance the capilary flow back to the hot end has to overcome. I suspect there will be some critical radius where the effect transists from low influence too high, as a function of radius. Which in turns would depend on the heatpipe diameter and type of wick. It would indeed be very nice to see some measurements in your well-controlled test environment!
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Straighter heatpipes for higher performance makes sense, the more curves the more resistance the capilary flow back to the hot end has to overcome. I suspect there will be some critical radius where the effect transists from low influence too high, as a function of radius. Which in turns would depend on the heatpipe diameter and type of wick. It would indeed be very nice to see some measurements in your well-controlled test environment!
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Cobalt_Capacitor
If they can offer similar or better performance compared to Noctua coolers, at a competitive price, then more power to Scythe!
Seeing the air-cooler market boom like this over the last 3 years has been real exciting.
I'm especially curious about the low-profile coolers showcased here, would be interesting to see how far they can push the envelope between size, performance, and price with these.
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If they can offer similar or better performance compared to Noctua coolers, at a competitive price, then more power to Scythe!
Seeing the air-cooler market boom like this over the last 3 years has been real exciting.
I'm especially curious about the low-profile coolers showcased here, would be interesting to see how far they can push the envelope between size, performance, and price with these.
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Real_MisterSir
Really loving the competition and development in air cooler technology and price performance. While most other hardware sectors just throw bigger stuff and more money at problems, it's a breath of fresh air (pun perhaps intended) to see air coolers going the opposite route.
Love your journalistic insight, Steve. Taking honest work to the extreme
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Really loving the competition and development in air cooler technology and price performance. While most other hardware sectors just throw bigger stuff and more money at problems, it's a breath of fresh air (pun perhaps intended) to see air coolers going the opposite route.
Love your journalistic insight, Steve. Taking honest work to the extreme
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EliteRock
Scythe will have to seriously work on their design and manufacturing quality to compete with Noctua when it comes to fans. I bought an expensive Scythe 'Kaze' 14CM fan (12cm mounting) a year or so ago (mainly because it rotates in the opposite direction to most fans) and it was a wash-out, anything over c. 1000 RPM it had really terrible motor noise.
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Scythe will have to seriously work on their design and manufacturing quality to compete with Noctua when it comes to fans. I bought an expensive Scythe 'Kaze' 14CM fan (12cm mounting) a year or so ago (mainly because it rotates in the opposite direction to most fans) and it was a wash-out, anything over c. 1000 RPM it had really terrible motor noise.
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TheGameBench
Well, Scythe needs to pay attention to ID Cooling. If they're after Noctua, they're too late. ID Cooling has already made the LP series irrelevant and their IS-55 was on par with the L12. I'm guessing the IS-67 XT might be better. Here's to hoping these small coolers aren't already outclassed by stuff that's already on the market.
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Well, Scythe needs to pay attention to ID Cooling. If they're after Noctua, they're too late. ID Cooling has already made the LP series irrelevant and their IS-55 was on par with the L12. I'm guessing the IS-67 XT might be better. Here's to hoping these small coolers aren't already outclassed by stuff that's already on the market.
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marsaustralis6881
I think once you get the new downdraft coolers, you should also test to see if the cutouts also improve VRM temps even more vs standard fans, as some of that thrown out air would still be blasted in a wide, downward angle. Also, please consider testing the reverse; with fans sucking up through the cooler and out the top.
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I think once you get the new downdraft coolers, you should also test to see if the cutouts also improve VRM temps even more vs standard fans, as some of that thrown out air would still be blasted in a wide, downward angle. Also, please consider testing the reverse; with fans sucking up through the cooler and out the top.
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Del_UK
Thermalright SI-128 had a centre pressure screw. Going back to LGA 775 socket, I just remember being able to overclock better on a Q9550, stable 3.4GHz 24/7/365.
I personally, like the way the some manufacturers are still developing down draft coolers. Would like to see, some bigger versions come back though.
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Thermalright SI-128 had a centre pressure screw. Going back to LGA 775 socket, I just remember being able to overclock better on a Q9550, stable 3.4GHz 24/7/365.
I personally, like the way the some manufacturers are still developing down draft coolers. Would like to see, some bigger versions come back though.
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Wooskii1
I love seeing how the prototypes look like something I would do (you see What you're looking at in my case isn't a hack job, it's actually precision engineering)
I think I'm all about liquid cooling right now, but if I ever decide to do a SFF build, or build for someone else, I know what to look for.
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I love seeing how the prototypes look like something I would do (you see What you're looking at in my case isn't a hack job, it's actually precision engineering)
I think I'm all about liquid cooling right now, but if I ever decide to do a SFF build, or build for someone else, I know what to look for.
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Christopher_S
I don't own any Scythe products, but I'm really impressed with their attempts of innovation and iteration. It's awesome that they're so open to listening to the public and sharing their findings too! It's a company that I respect, it's not often you see transparency like this :)
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I don't own any Scythe products, but I'm really impressed with their attempts of innovation and iteration. It's awesome that they're so open to listening to the public and sharing their findings too! It's a company that I respect, it's not often you see transparency like this :)
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Squilly4
Oh man this is exciting, I've been using the Fuma 3 on my 13700K (undervolted) and it's been good from what I can tell, but I was really wanting a blackout version and was confused what happened to it after watching your video from last year. Good to see it's still in the plans
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Oh man this is exciting, I've been using the Fuma 3 on my 13700K (undervolted) and it's been good from what I can tell, but I was really wanting a blackout version and was confused what happened to it after watching your video from last year. Good to see it's still in the plans
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SpoiledBadgerMilk
I wish they'd come out with a elongated cold plate design with the heat pipes vertical instead of horizontal. so they work better for am5 am4 platforms. never really get the best performance since the heat pipes or cold plates are in the center. make it happen scythe.
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I wish they'd come out with a elongated cold plate design with the heat pipes vertical instead of horizontal. so they work better for am5 am4 platforms. never really get the best performance since the heat pipes or cold plates are in the center. make it happen scythe.
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ssxxxxss
in air conditioning you don't want any bends in your pipes because it adds in resistance for your coolant to flow, It uses more energy and also reduces the efficiency, This is sadly not new knowledge it is funny to see a company reinvent known knowledge from different jobs.
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in air conditioning you don't want any bends in your pipes because it adds in resistance for your coolant to flow, It uses more energy and also reduces the efficiency, This is sadly not new knowledge it is funny to see a company reinvent known knowledge from different jobs.
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initial_kd
Scythe's Mugen and Fuma coolers where very popular. Glad to see more competition in the low profile market, i just bought a Thermalright in that segment. I think Noctua are good quality but are coasting on brand name nowadays with price, features and performance.
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Scythe's Mugen and Fuma coolers where very popular. Glad to see more competition in the low profile market, i just bought a Thermalright in that segment. I think Noctua are good quality but are coasting on brand name nowadays with price, features and performance.
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