Incredible NVIDIA RTX 5090 Founders Edition: Liquid Metal & Cooler ft. Malcolm Gutenburg
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Date: 2025-01-19
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NuniqueNewNork
Good job on my vapor chamber design. I'm not even mad at all of ya.. I only described it and begged for it 10 years ago. I imagine that you found, as I have, that there is a geometry and frequency to heat, such that a diverse set of post sizes and particle size in the wick all help with different temperature ranges. So spread spectrum at least 1 / 5 of the bandwidth of heat. I can come back in 10 more years... Hahah I even begged for a shorter board or stacked boards in the center, to accommodate 2 flow-through fans. With the heat pipes there. It's like, 12 years later, and they finally did it. nice. If I had been in charge.... hahahah I would have saved you about 6 years. Yeah, I'm so damned precognitive I scare the shit out of myself. The US is using my bullet, I named it Tesla and they're using my battery... and if you want to help me, Steve... I can help you. I got an electric motor patent we need to do. I'm dying I just want my son to get about 25% of the licensing fees. You can have the rest. Which would make you a billionaire in less than 10 years. I wasn't wrong about your thermal desk pads, mouse mads, mugs and cup holders, huh huh I wasn't wrong....
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Good job on my vapor chamber design. I'm not even mad at all of ya.. I only described it and begged for it 10 years ago. I imagine that you found, as I have, that there is a geometry and frequency to heat, such that a diverse set of post sizes and particle size in the wick all help with different temperature ranges. So spread spectrum at least 1 / 5 of the bandwidth of heat. I can come back in 10 more years... Hahah I even begged for a shorter board or stacked boards in the center, to accommodate 2 flow-through fans. With the heat pipes there. It's like, 12 years later, and they finally did it. nice. If I had been in charge.... hahahah I would have saved you about 6 years. Yeah, I'm so damned precognitive I scare the shit out of myself. The US is using my bullet, I named it Tesla and they're using my battery... and if you want to help me, Steve... I can help you. I got an electric motor patent we need to do. I'm dying I just want my son to get about 25% of the licensing fees. You can have the rest. Which would make you a billionaire in less than 10 years. I wasn't wrong about your thermal desk pads, mouse mads, mugs and cup holders, huh huh I wasn't wrong....
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leod9968
I enjoyed the video. However I have the feeling it's 70% marketing, 30% engineering. Malcolm has made a lot of claims that it would be great to be put under scrutiny, especially those related to performance gains and efficiency. Nowadays, most manufacturers make claims without showing actual data to proof them right, and when someone then test those claims, they actually end up being inaccurate or unrealistic. I also wonder how measurable are the improvements vs the amount of manufacturing cost the new features add to the final product.
Reliability and servicing is also a concern: Cleaning and replacing both the liquid metal and the thermal pads don't seem to be an easy task. I also wonder if the tripple-walled rubber gasket will be available to purchase in the next few years as the rubber will most likely dry after some time.
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I enjoyed the video. However I have the feeling it's 70% marketing, 30% engineering. Malcolm has made a lot of claims that it would be great to be put under scrutiny, especially those related to performance gains and efficiency. Nowadays, most manufacturers make claims without showing actual data to proof them right, and when someone then test those claims, they actually end up being inaccurate or unrealistic. I also wonder how measurable are the improvements vs the amount of manufacturing cost the new features add to the final product.
Reliability and servicing is also a concern: Cleaning and replacing both the liquid metal and the thermal pads don't seem to be an easy task. I also wonder if the tripple-walled rubber gasket will be available to purchase in the next few years as the rubber will most likely dry after some time.
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TedPhillips
could do some distance-to-barrier testing with the vent imaging setup, to capture the aero benefit of the side cover setup.
nvidia has a real spare-no-expense method for the miniaturization of the card to the point where i expect AIB's to compete on price (to the extent that they can), allowing for them to have larger cooling systems that are easier to manufacture and pass some saving on to the consumer. putting aside style preferences, hard to compete in the market otherwise assuming there was an infinite supply of each (FE & AIB) - so i hope the partner arrangement on component prices isn't out of whack to defeat that. I expect that no air-cooler of similar size can out perform what they've achieved here, otherwise partner 5090's may have to be liquid-only to be marketable.
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could do some distance-to-barrier testing with the vent imaging setup, to capture the aero benefit of the side cover setup.
nvidia has a real spare-no-expense method for the miniaturization of the card to the point where i expect AIB's to compete on price (to the extent that they can), allowing for them to have larger cooling systems that are easier to manufacture and pass some saving on to the consumer. putting aside style preferences, hard to compete in the market otherwise assuming there was an infinite supply of each (FE & AIB) - so i hope the partner arrangement on component prices isn't out of whack to defeat that. I expect that no air-cooler of similar size can out perform what they've achieved here, otherwise partner 5090's may have to be liquid-only to be marketable.
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BrendanGeormer
For some of these engineering innovations, I wonder what kept them from happening prior. Like if it's engineering cost, if nobody considered it before, if it was not mathematically proven yet, or what else. For something like the fins being shorter toward the middle of the fans, I would think more thermal material is better, but is it a point of cost and weight that they want to minimize it where possible, thus removing the least thermally efficient fins, or that's more just a benefit of it being a more interesting design visually and they can do it because it isn't much of a tradeoff thermally to take away some of the fin height due to it still being full height where there is the most airflow
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For some of these engineering innovations, I wonder what kept them from happening prior. Like if it's engineering cost, if nobody considered it before, if it was not mathematically proven yet, or what else. For something like the fins being shorter toward the middle of the fans, I would think more thermal material is better, but is it a point of cost and weight that they want to minimize it where possible, thus removing the least thermally efficient fins, or that's more just a benefit of it being a more interesting design visually and they can do it because it isn't much of a tradeoff thermally to take away some of the fin height due to it still being full height where there is the most airflow
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aliananza1990
Im ngl I’m more hyped about this cooler than the 5090. I love finely tweaked thermal designs this is an amazing innovation to how to approach maximum cooling efficiency without the need of more volume. For someone who likes sff I dont know how well the 5090 would fair in a conventional sandwich layout. Due to the obstruction of the backs passive flow through design. But considering they already tested the card in multiple orientations I’m assuming it has been tested in a vertical stand close to the motherboard resembling a similar case scenario. It may still work very well wonder how well it will under volt. P.S. this guy id awesome i love how much effort and passion him and the team did!
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Im ngl I’m more hyped about this cooler than the 5090. I love finely tweaked thermal designs this is an amazing innovation to how to approach maximum cooling efficiency without the need of more volume. For someone who likes sff I dont know how well the 5090 would fair in a conventional sandwich layout. Due to the obstruction of the backs passive flow through design. But considering they already tested the card in multiple orientations I’m assuming it has been tested in a vertical stand close to the motherboard resembling a similar case scenario. It may still work very well wonder how well it will under volt. P.S. this guy id awesome i love how much effort and passion him and the team did!
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Sponks-ru7ms
Maybe Nvidia should be offering to send in a software engineer who worked on DLSS4 with such enthusiasm and conviction as Malcolm so we can appreciate that maybe it’s not just all about we provide more frames to justify the cost. I would hope that a lot of work and focus is made to better gamers experience with these techs, not to just provide the crazy stats. It’s hard not to be cynical when it comes to fake frames when it suits Nvidia’s agenda so well. But all we get fed is the marketing at the moment which robs credibility from the tech.
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Maybe Nvidia should be offering to send in a software engineer who worked on DLSS4 with such enthusiasm and conviction as Malcolm so we can appreciate that maybe it’s not just all about we provide more frames to justify the cost. I would hope that a lot of work and focus is made to better gamers experience with these techs, not to just provide the crazy stats. It’s hard not to be cynical when it comes to fake frames when it suits Nvidia’s agenda so well. But all we get fed is the marketing at the moment which robs credibility from the tech.
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UndercoverPirate69
Liquid metal Is it 800 Celcius
There are actual mechanical engineers watching you know Not everyone is an office clown or waitress who skipped chemistry and other exact sciences. He keeps repeating it like that exists at room temperature, but it's actually a name of a metal powder substance instead of molten metal isn't it. Are we talking about 'liquid metal' or 'Liquid Metal'
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Liquid metal Is it 800 Celcius
There are actual mechanical engineers watching you know Not everyone is an office clown or waitress who skipped chemistry and other exact sciences. He keeps repeating it like that exists at room temperature, but it's actually a name of a metal powder substance instead of molten metal isn't it. Are we talking about 'liquid metal' or 'Liquid Metal'
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sandy1234853
sony exits the building violently cus there liquid metal design was designed by a toddler with a box of scraps its just some sticky tape with a foam pad lol and then sony is seen re leaving as Steve says you get worse cooling if you have too much and pooling which all ps5s are in a literal lake of liquid metal lol someone might think that sony did zero RND into their product
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sony exits the building violently cus there liquid metal design was designed by a toddler with a box of scraps its just some sticky tape with a foam pad lol and then sony is seen re leaving as Steve says you get worse cooling if you have too much and pooling which all ps5s are in a literal lake of liquid metal lol someone might think that sony did zero RND into their product
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garymaya1767
HAHAHAHA the case... well we all know open air rigs are better for cooling. Sponsored by a enclosure to keep the heat in, right.. enthusiasm at it's finest. So my concern is these GPU's use more and more power and the problem is how much of the actual power is being used to compute. nvidia, you can suck it. I wont buy anymore of your products, thermally they just suck, air.
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HAHAHAHA the case... well we all know open air rigs are better for cooling. Sponsored by a enclosure to keep the heat in, right.. enthusiasm at it's finest. So my concern is these GPU's use more and more power and the problem is how much of the actual power is being used to compute. nvidia, you can suck it. I wont buy anymore of your products, thermally they just suck, air.
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BlueHoodie74
I like this version of Founders Edition, but i'm just not a huge fan of liquid metal, so.....maybe if I purchase this, i'll definitely replace the TIM with a phase change thermal pad, as what all AIB uses. Reason behind is, for long term usage (2-3 years minimum), I have a feeling the liquid metal will go powdery and will be problem for maintainance. That's just my .02c.
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I like this version of Founders Edition, but i'm just not a huge fan of liquid metal, so.....maybe if I purchase this, i'll definitely replace the TIM with a phase change thermal pad, as what all AIB uses. Reason behind is, for long term usage (2-3 years minimum), I have a feeling the liquid metal will go powdery and will be problem for maintainance. That's just my .02c.
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nevillecawood3727
The indentation:
Either BS-implifing going on here, or he don't know himself:
What he says about more flow from the fan periphery is correct.
Once the air is between the fins it will take the shortest route ..!
If the shortest route is toward the fan hub because the fins are shorter there; the air heads toward fin area that's normally under used...
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The indentation:
Either BS-implifing going on here, or he don't know himself:
What he says about more flow from the fan periphery is correct.
Once the air is between the fins it will take the shortest route ..!
If the shortest route is toward the fan hub because the fins are shorter there; the air heads toward fin area that's normally under used...
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MrAcuta73
Would give my Left nut if Nvidia would offer cards sans coolers....just a populated PCB for watercoolers. Zero chance in Hell they'd do that, but it would cut down on e-waste. Because every card I buy I just toss the cooler via recycling. But I just recycled a BRAND NEW never used cooler...for zero reason. Less packaging, less waste, less price, all win.
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Would give my Left nut if Nvidia would offer cards sans coolers....just a populated PCB for watercoolers. Zero chance in Hell they'd do that, but it would cut down on e-waste. Because every card I buy I just toss the cooler via recycling. But I just recycled a BRAND NEW never used cooler...for zero reason. Less packaging, less waste, less price, all win.
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connorharris1900
Great improvements. Holding accountability steve i think this helped push them. All that work and simulation to figure out this improved aircooling design. Unfortunately in vain because im sure the EKWB water block will crush the air cooler. Still appreciate the passion that went into this work. Getting mine asap!
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Great improvements. Holding accountability steve i think this helped push them. All that work and simulation to figure out this improved aircooling design. Unfortunately in vain because im sure the EKWB water block will crush the air cooler. Still appreciate the passion that went into this work. Getting mine asap!
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e5m956
It's refreshing to see someone who appears to have a genuine love and enthusiasm for their job and I'm also surprised how young he looks for working at nvidia. When I think of an nvidia engineer I picture more middle age, balding, in a pure white lab coat wearing quirky glasses and an expressionless face (NPC) lol...
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It's refreshing to see someone who appears to have a genuine love and enthusiasm for their job and I'm also surprised how young he looks for working at nvidia. When I think of an nvidia engineer I picture more middle age, balding, in a pure white lab coat wearing quirky glasses and an expressionless face (NPC) lol...
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Nitrox22
It's really cool to see the engineering and physical changes of a graphics card instead of just the digital. It adds some more value to the generation than just the typical performance increases we see (since those are so small these days lol). I'm not buying this generation but this is a very cool video to see.
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It's really cool to see the engineering and physical changes of a graphics card instead of just the digital. It adds some more value to the generation than just the typical performance increases we see (since those are so small these days lol). I'm not buying this generation but this is a very cool video to see.
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pinkeggrollwaffle
Another iteration of a consumer graphics card hits the market, conveniently timed to recoup costs for the latest datacenter upgrades. Meanwhile, the gaming industry churns out titles that can barely hold interest for 810 hours It’s a cycle where technology advances faster than creativity.
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Another iteration of a consumer graphics card hits the market, conveniently timed to recoup costs for the latest datacenter upgrades. Meanwhile, the gaming industry churns out titles that can barely hold interest for 810 hours It’s a cycle where technology advances faster than creativity.
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M3usV0x
Perhaps I underestimated Steve’s education and intelligence, but compared to this Nvidia dudewell maybe Steve is working for the wrong guys.
Also bro here, who can’t be more than 25, comes off more as a politician than engineer.
Always grateful for these videos, thanks so much.
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Perhaps I underestimated Steve’s education and intelligence, but compared to this Nvidia dudewell maybe Steve is working for the wrong guys.
Also bro here, who can’t be more than 25, comes off more as a politician than engineer.
Always grateful for these videos, thanks so much.
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gamersnexus
for 2500$ minimum to expect.. and yeah these ribbon connectors.. i wouldnt trust them and judging by the TDP and PcB size these cads will die like flys after 2 or soemthing years... not impressed by the PR Monkey aka Malcolm the Engineer also Mooores law is dead, and Nvidia killed it
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for 2500$ minimum to expect.. and yeah these ribbon connectors.. i wouldnt trust them and judging by the TDP and PcB size these cads will die like flys after 2 or soemthing years... not impressed by the PR Monkey aka Malcolm the Engineer also Mooores law is dead, and Nvidia killed it
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Dogzilla07
I wonder if the GEL used on VRAM and Memory chips is Dowsil TC-3065 xD (the specs for the dow gel look incredible), I wish someone started selling that in the PC space, or at least Honeywell HT10000 Putty.
and not just LTT in the US, hopefully Thermal Grizzly for the EU xD
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I wonder if the GEL used on VRAM and Memory chips is Dowsil TC-3065 xD (the specs for the dow gel look incredible), I wish someone started selling that in the PC space, or at least Honeywell HT10000 Putty.
and not just LTT in the US, hopefully Thermal Grizzly for the EU xD
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briank
Alright my personal conspiracy theory...EVGA left the market because NVidia was getting really close to releasing this cooling solution and is restricting the board partners do anything similar to this cooling solution. I think Nvidia's end game is no board partners in the end.
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Alright my personal conspiracy theory...EVGA left the market because NVidia was getting really close to releasing this cooling solution and is restricting the board partners do anything similar to this cooling solution. I think Nvidia's end game is no board partners in the end.
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