Linux Freeze - New Installation Problems - Chris Titus Tech
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Date: 2022-03-21
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This is why Linux is not for the average consumer. First, the average consumer doesn't have time to sit around all day and try to figure why his system is crashing. Windows has matured to the point that it never crashes (finally). I haven't had a windows crash since windows 7 came out. Most people just want to sit down, surf the web, and use their applications painlessly. Windows 95, 98, 98SE and XP were awful with crashes because of poorly written drivers. Microsoft reined in driver creation with Windows 7 and on. My windows 10 installations have never crashed. I do have a laptop that won't run effeciently on Windows 10 because of a video driver so I went back to Windows 7. I'm still pissed that the vendor didn't update the video driver for windows 10. Guess they thought I needed to buy a new laptop. When I updated that laptop to windows 10 the video installed with a generic driver and was slow as can be, but it still didn't crash. The vendor doesn't have a Windows 10 driver for it. I went back to Windows 7 and it is as fast as ever and does not ever crash. I bet it would only take them an hour to fix to windows 7 driver to 10, probably just checking for which windows version it's for. The laptop is a Lenovo G560. Anyway, Linux is a very good system to use if you like sitting around all day tinkering on the pc figuring out what went wrong, installing and trying new stuff etc. I'm serious. Enthusiast enjoy that but the average user just wants a stable system.
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This is why Linux is not for the average consumer. First, the average consumer doesn't have time to sit around all day and try to figure why his system is crashing. Windows has matured to the point that it never crashes (finally). I haven't had a windows crash since windows 7 came out. Most people just want to sit down, surf the web, and use their applications painlessly. Windows 95, 98, 98SE and XP were awful with crashes because of poorly written drivers. Microsoft reined in driver creation with Windows 7 and on. My windows 10 installations have never crashed. I do have a laptop that won't run effeciently on Windows 10 because of a video driver so I went back to Windows 7. I'm still pissed that the vendor didn't update the video driver for windows 10. Guess they thought I needed to buy a new laptop. When I updated that laptop to windows 10 the video installed with a generic driver and was slow as can be, but it still didn't crash. The vendor doesn't have a Windows 10 driver for it. I went back to Windows 7 and it is as fast as ever and does not ever crash. I bet it would only take them an hour to fix to windows 7 driver to 10, probably just checking for which windows version it's for. The laptop is a Lenovo G560. Anyway, Linux is a very good system to use if you like sitting around all day tinkering on the pc figuring out what went wrong, installing and trying new stuff etc. I'm serious. Enthusiast enjoy that but the average user just wants a stable system.
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LookattheBiggerPic
...man do I know this one! I've had no end of frustration with nearly all my Mint 18.3 KDE x64 and Kubuntu 18.10 KDE x64 - this happens on perfectly stable installs WHEN I allow upgrade of X-Org and other support platforms, including Kernal upgrades - I have not messed with Manjaro but am impressed at the added power you are showing in this presentation, nicely done! As of late I simply have been removing as upgrade options the offending upgrades - I've several hundred Linux workstations being used daily by clients all over the place and nearly all of them are KDE simply because nearly all of these clients are Windows refugees from that insane Microshaft forced / unpermissioned upgrade to Win10 a few years back, some having lost all their unbacked-up data entirely. KDE made it easy for me to help them all feel at home, helping them get used to new applications was way more difficult with most making the jump to Libre Office or Google Docs OK. Working with pictures, music and video were all more difficult but most made the jump and continue to this day with little support need from me. I really do Not get enough lab time to figure out a better solution to mostly video driver Breakage, causing screen flickering and odd, jerky visuals more than actual lockups or spontaneous reboots... and BTW, I also LOVE TimeShift which currently I only have on my Mint systems... In any case, thanks so much for all you do!
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...man do I know this one! I've had no end of frustration with nearly all my Mint 18.3 KDE x64 and Kubuntu 18.10 KDE x64 - this happens on perfectly stable installs WHEN I allow upgrade of X-Org and other support platforms, including Kernal upgrades - I have not messed with Manjaro but am impressed at the added power you are showing in this presentation, nicely done! As of late I simply have been removing as upgrade options the offending upgrades - I've several hundred Linux workstations being used daily by clients all over the place and nearly all of them are KDE simply because nearly all of these clients are Windows refugees from that insane Microshaft forced / unpermissioned upgrade to Win10 a few years back, some having lost all their unbacked-up data entirely. KDE made it easy for me to help them all feel at home, helping them get used to new applications was way more difficult with most making the jump to Libre Office or Google Docs OK. Working with pictures, music and video were all more difficult but most made the jump and continue to this day with little support need from me. I really do Not get enough lab time to figure out a better solution to mostly video driver Breakage, causing screen flickering and odd, jerky visuals more than actual lockups or spontaneous reboots... and BTW, I also LOVE TimeShift which currently I only have on my Mint systems... In any case, thanks so much for all you do!
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BatManSWG
I have similar issues with crashes as well, while on Win 10 I have no problem at all. My experience:
1.Linux Mint 19.3: freeze after few minutes loaded.
2.Mx-Linux 19: No crashes at all .
3.Manjaro KDE 18.1.5: System crash after few minutes when playing .
4.Arch Linux: No crashes at all, but I get tearing on my monitor daring gaming.
5.Kubuntu 19.10: very few crashes.Was about only 2-3 have it 3 weeks in my HD
Looks like, the problem with 1st generation Ryzen's CPUs still exist in most of distros (I have Ryzen 1800x ,CrosshairVI hero x370,16Gb 3200 Mhz,Saphire Nitro+ Vega64).
I like Manjaro a lot because give a very nice performance over to other distros , but ...tried sometimes with commands and programs to stop random crashes but didn't make it.Of course there a solution to RMA Ryzen chip from 1st generation, because AMD know these issues,but staying near a month without CPU? Thats a lot.
So I believe until update to some newer generation CPU (thinking 3600 or 3700x) ,looks like Debian is some solution for now :(
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I have similar issues with crashes as well, while on Win 10 I have no problem at all. My experience:
1.Linux Mint 19.3: freeze after few minutes loaded.
2.Mx-Linux 19: No crashes at all .
3.Manjaro KDE 18.1.5: System crash after few minutes when playing .
4.Arch Linux: No crashes at all, but I get tearing on my monitor daring gaming.
5.Kubuntu 19.10: very few crashes.Was about only 2-3 have it 3 weeks in my HD
Looks like, the problem with 1st generation Ryzen's CPUs still exist in most of distros (I have Ryzen 1800x ,CrosshairVI hero x370,16Gb 3200 Mhz,Saphire Nitro+ Vega64).
I like Manjaro a lot because give a very nice performance over to other distros , but ...tried sometimes with commands and programs to stop random crashes but didn't make it.Of course there a solution to RMA Ryzen chip from 1st generation, because AMD know these issues,but staying near a month without CPU? Thats a lot.
So I believe until update to some newer generation CPU (thinking 3600 or 3700x) ,looks like Debian is some solution for now :(
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Ali
Please I wish to ask your advice:-
On HP elitbook 8540P, with core i5, 4 gb ram & NVIDIA NVS 5100M GPU ... everything works well .... but when I open two applications or several tabs on a browser ... the PC freezes or mouse menus (Rt click) get black ...-
I tried the 2 or 3 driver options for Nvidia graphics card, yet the problem persisted ... this happens with Win 10 & 7 .. s.t. after installing or updating graphics driver ... also with several Linux distros and most of Debian based distros-
I also tried cleaning and replacing thermal paste, which reduced overheating and fan noise ... but freezing & black menus remained ...-
I would appreciate any opinion about possible causes & solution: GPU failure issues or what?- or RAM (Memtest86 showed no errors but Windows memory test says hardware problem and stops at 14%)-
Thanks in advance!
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Please I wish to ask your advice:-
On HP elitbook 8540P, with core i5, 4 gb ram & NVIDIA NVS 5100M GPU ... everything works well .... but when I open two applications or several tabs on a browser ... the PC freezes or mouse menus (Rt click) get black ...-
I tried the 2 or 3 driver options for Nvidia graphics card, yet the problem persisted ... this happens with Win 10 & 7 .. s.t. after installing or updating graphics driver ... also with several Linux distros and most of Debian based distros-
I also tried cleaning and replacing thermal paste, which reduced overheating and fan noise ... but freezing & black menus remained ...-
I would appreciate any opinion about possible causes & solution: GPU failure issues or what?- or RAM (Memtest86 showed no errors but Windows memory test says hardware problem and stops at 14%)-
Thanks in advance!
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Cuttlefish
Funny thing is... of my 2 laptops running, my Manjaro system (4yo) is more stable than my MX Linux one (7yo). Despite reviews on YouTube, the big one comparing those 2 specific distros, my 7yo MX Linux laptop is the one constantly crashing and sometimes not being able to recognize my wifi device.
While I also admire and respect the grandpas of technology, I prefer not to reinvent wheels, which is why I usually go to their well-reviewed children for my specific computing needs.
This might be an issue of personal attitude going into using each of these systems; Manjaro is based on Arch, so I'm taking a lot more precautions in using it than the well-reviewed, lightly-customized, Debian-based MX Linux machine that I just use to play YouTube/vlc videos on a dual-monitor (TV) setup.
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Funny thing is... of my 2 laptops running, my Manjaro system (4yo) is more stable than my MX Linux one (7yo). Despite reviews on YouTube, the big one comparing those 2 specific distros, my 7yo MX Linux laptop is the one constantly crashing and sometimes not being able to recognize my wifi device.
While I also admire and respect the grandpas of technology, I prefer not to reinvent wheels, which is why I usually go to their well-reviewed children for my specific computing needs.
This might be an issue of personal attitude going into using each of these systems; Manjaro is based on Arch, so I'm taking a lot more precautions in using it than the well-reviewed, lightly-customized, Debian-based MX Linux machine that I just use to play YouTube/vlc videos on a dual-monitor (TV) setup.
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Ray
I had so much hope but I keep having the odd freezes in Linux. Seriously?!! I used Linux Mint and would have the odd issue with graphics drivers. So I thought naively, -Why don't I install a new driver?- God ! I ruined my linux mint and then said to myself -Why don't I install Ubuntu instead?- I was cursed with boot issues, grub, panic with boots. I gave up and installed Windows again. I am actually doing work on my windows machine now.
Look I like Linux like any other and gave it its chance. I still might try it later but for me Linux remains some OS which I will test but need my production system to be as stable as it can. This means it still is Windows.
NB: Grub customizer is great.
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I had so much hope but I keep having the odd freezes in Linux. Seriously?!! I used Linux Mint and would have the odd issue with graphics drivers. So I thought naively, -Why don't I install a new driver?- God ! I ruined my linux mint and then said to myself -Why don't I install Ubuntu instead?- I was cursed with boot issues, grub, panic with boots. I gave up and installed Windows again. I am actually doing work on my windows machine now.
Look I like Linux like any other and gave it its chance. I still might try it later but for me Linux remains some OS which I will test but need my production system to be as stable as it can. This means it still is Windows.
NB: Grub customizer is great.
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az9az9az9
I messed up my linux kubuntu 19.10 daily build install today by giving sudo rights to my self so i could change google chrome shortcut icon on my desktop. The default icon was missing. I got black screen, no log on at all. Another time today when i puked little in my mouth, was when i found out, the Linux video players and web browsers don't have gpu acceleration. The flatpacks and snaps have all messed up themes. Thank god there is Windows 10. The kubuntu 19.10 dev build has one of the worst disk partitioner, by default it writes grub on windows drive, but when you enter in manual mode to change grub location, you lose the easy automatic drive partitioning.
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I messed up my linux kubuntu 19.10 daily build install today by giving sudo rights to my self so i could change google chrome shortcut icon on my desktop. The default icon was missing. I got black screen, no log on at all. Another time today when i puked little in my mouth, was when i found out, the Linux video players and web browsers don't have gpu acceleration. The flatpacks and snaps have all messed up themes. Thank god there is Windows 10. The kubuntu 19.10 dev build has one of the worst disk partitioner, by default it writes grub on windows drive, but when you enter in manual mode to change grub location, you lose the easy automatic drive partitioning.
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ComputeTHIS
Please help!
I am trying to boot Linux mint 19.3 cinnamon from the LiveUSB stick and it works fine for 3 minutes then will just freeze entirely and I have to hold down the power button to force shut down and then restart. This is repeatable every boot. I can load grub, open mint, log-in just fine. And no matter what I am doing after a couple minutes it always just freezes up completely.
How can I fix this?
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Please help!
I am trying to boot Linux mint 19.3 cinnamon from the LiveUSB stick and it works fine for 3 minutes then will just freeze entirely and I have to hold down the power button to force shut down and then restart. This is repeatable every boot. I can load grub, open mint, log-in just fine. And no matter what I am doing after a couple minutes it always just freezes up completely.
How can I fix this?
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Night
I'm trying to install mint on my new Ryazan 9 pc with a rtx 2070 super but when I launch the boot iso on the usb brings me to the installer click demo to boot to the desktop and it gitches out the screen freezes on the black screen with blurred white writing and I hear a sound like it started up I think it's the graphics driver but as I'm new to lynixs I need help I really want mint as I miss windows 7
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I'm trying to install mint on my new Ryazan 9 pc with a rtx 2070 super but when I launch the boot iso on the usb brings me to the installer click demo to boot to the desktop and it gitches out the screen freezes on the black screen with blurred white writing and I hear a sound like it started up I think it's the graphics driver but as I'm new to lynixs I need help I really want mint as I miss windows 7
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Arthur
I've tried xrender and nouveou driver, insted of nvidia, and KDE Plasma still freeze since its release of version 5 up to now, year 2020. This problem makes kde which should have been the best desktop. The random freezing problems made it become shit.
Don't understand the developers themselves failed to identify and correct this problem for these years, or they knew it but not try to fix it.
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I've tried xrender and nouveou driver, insted of nvidia, and KDE Plasma still freeze since its release of version 5 up to now, year 2020. This problem makes kde which should have been the best desktop. The random freezing problems made it become shit.
Don't understand the developers themselves failed to identify and correct this problem for these years, or they knew it but not try to fix it.
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