Taking Into Account, Ep. 40 - New Red Hat, GNOME is a Mess, Librem One, Win 10 Bloated, Mozilla IRC DistroTube
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Date: 2022-03-30
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thytom
TL;DR Minimalist Vanilla Gnome may not be a horrible thing.
I will agree that Vanilla Gnome, without touching at all, is pretty basic and not that great. But things such as icon grid view do exist, as well as creating documents straight from Nautilus (Granted, you need to create a template file in your Templates folder for it to look for, but it works nicely for me).
I came from using i3 and wanted a little more functionality from my desktop, but I'm heavily against anything that doesn't need to be on the screen being there; programs should have, unless they're experiencing errors, a speak when spoken to attitude. Using Dash to Dock with the always hidden function is pretty great, because it's never in your way and META+N keys work to launch and focus main programs. If I want it, I'll ask for it.
Gnome back then was pretty bad. It was slow, clunky, and generally just a pain to work with, but now, the speed is welcome, and customisation is easier than ever in my opinion. It was good enough to make me switch BACK from i3, abandoning my /comfy/ setup. I've seen it even be somewhat functional (certainly beating win10) on a crappy HP notebook with 30GB of flash memory and no HDD/SSD to speak of.
I'm a big proponent of less is more. In my view, the smaller and simpler Gnome can be out of the box, for me, the better. Ideally, I'd be looking for a more comprehensive way to replace default programs, like gnome-terminal, which is still heavily tied to Nautilus even if you set the default terminal to something else.
This is just my vision for how my desktop should be though. Old grandma might prefer a more friendly, interactive environment that does a bit of hand-holding, and that's perfectly achievable still, too. I would argue that a lot of these less tech-savvy people using Linux are on distros like Ubuntu, however, which ship their own flavour of Gnome. Perhaps Vanilla Gnome should take inspiration from Ubuntu Gnome, or maybe it's better off sticking to a minimalist if-you-want-it-go-get-it lifestyle.
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TL;DR Minimalist Vanilla Gnome may not be a horrible thing.
I will agree that Vanilla Gnome, without touching at all, is pretty basic and not that great. But things such as icon grid view do exist, as well as creating documents straight from Nautilus (Granted, you need to create a template file in your Templates folder for it to look for, but it works nicely for me).
I came from using i3 and wanted a little more functionality from my desktop, but I'm heavily against anything that doesn't need to be on the screen being there; programs should have, unless they're experiencing errors, a speak when spoken to attitude. Using Dash to Dock with the always hidden function is pretty great, because it's never in your way and META+N keys work to launch and focus main programs. If I want it, I'll ask for it.
Gnome back then was pretty bad. It was slow, clunky, and generally just a pain to work with, but now, the speed is welcome, and customisation is easier than ever in my opinion. It was good enough to make me switch BACK from i3, abandoning my /comfy/ setup. I've seen it even be somewhat functional (certainly beating win10) on a crappy HP notebook with 30GB of flash memory and no HDD/SSD to speak of.
I'm a big proponent of less is more. In my view, the smaller and simpler Gnome can be out of the box, for me, the better. Ideally, I'd be looking for a more comprehensive way to replace default programs, like gnome-terminal, which is still heavily tied to Nautilus even if you set the default terminal to something else.
This is just my vision for how my desktop should be though. Old grandma might prefer a more friendly, interactive environment that does a bit of hand-holding, and that's perfectly achievable still, too. I would argue that a lot of these less tech-savvy people using Linux are on distros like Ubuntu, however, which ship their own flavour of Gnome. Perhaps Vanilla Gnome should take inspiration from Ubuntu Gnome, or maybe it's better off sticking to a minimalist if-you-want-it-go-get-it lifestyle.
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R.a.
Well, if your an SJW your simply just offended the guy was white. Gotta get rid of that after all. I am joking, nobody take that too seriously. Wouldn't want to offend the smartest, and most enlightened among us. But I am not a fan of Gnome 3 for much of the same criticisms discussed here, I am in no way a fan of a two bar system, it's wasted space. Just look at OS X by default. But a far that basically offers nothing will require another bar that probably offers too much, it's not a good balance. Microsoft to their credit so far has really got the GUI right with Win95 on. I remember using Windows 3.x back in the day and switching to Windows 95. It was true progress as far as making a computer more natural, more easier to use. Anything else just seems to come with too many flaws. They made the same mistake with Windows 8, Microsoft tried to re-invent the wheel it created. Major, major mess and people rejected it. I bought my last Windows 7 pro equipt computer just a few months before Windows 10 was released to the public because of it. Nobody in the professional world wanted Windows 8. As a result my workstation came with both Windows 7 and 8.1 but also Windows 10 a few months later. I don't personally run any of them, but that's pretty nice licence compatibility. But that's besides my point. GUIs matter to people who use GUis. I am glad you like your new rig, that's fairly exciting. I am still on a 4th gen i7, the 4790k to be exact because up until the 8th gen series of Intel CPUs I really didn't see a compelling reason to upgrade. The 8th gen started turning my head. 6 cores, 12 threads. But the 9th gen is 8 cores, 16 threads. So, now I am saving each week to build a new monster.
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Well, if your an SJW your simply just offended the guy was white. Gotta get rid of that after all. I am joking, nobody take that too seriously. Wouldn't want to offend the smartest, and most enlightened among us. But I am not a fan of Gnome 3 for much of the same criticisms discussed here, I am in no way a fan of a two bar system, it's wasted space. Just look at OS X by default. But a far that basically offers nothing will require another bar that probably offers too much, it's not a good balance. Microsoft to their credit so far has really got the GUI right with Win95 on. I remember using Windows 3.x back in the day and switching to Windows 95. It was true progress as far as making a computer more natural, more easier to use. Anything else just seems to come with too many flaws. They made the same mistake with Windows 8, Microsoft tried to re-invent the wheel it created. Major, major mess and people rejected it. I bought my last Windows 7 pro equipt computer just a few months before Windows 10 was released to the public because of it. Nobody in the professional world wanted Windows 8. As a result my workstation came with both Windows 7 and 8.1 but also Windows 10 a few months later. I don't personally run any of them, but that's pretty nice licence compatibility. But that's besides my point. GUIs matter to people who use GUis. I am glad you like your new rig, that's fairly exciting. I am still on a 4th gen i7, the 4790k to be exact because up until the 8th gen series of Intel CPUs I really didn't see a compelling reason to upgrade. The 8th gen started turning my head. 6 cores, 12 threads. But the 9th gen is 8 cores, 16 threads. So, now I am saving each week to build a new monster.
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Grayson
GNOME is designed to be keyboard-oriented and is not a traditional desktop, which I really like. I can live without dash-to-dock if I could use Meta+[1-9] for launching programs. Plus, I search for applications by hitting the Meta key and type the name of the application instead of looking through the app drawer as it behaves similar to Android and iOS, including macOS's Launchpad.
In Android, tapping the battery or Wi-Fi icon will open the drawer and close automatically. In GNOME, tapping the volume icon or the network icon will bring up the panel as expected, which I like.
As for the clock, I like it that it belongs in the top-center which is nice as I don't need to look at the top-right to tell the time.
If I want a traditional desktop experience, I will go with KDE, Openbox, Cinnamon, Budgie, etc. But for me, once I get used to GNOME with Dash to Dock extension (with panel completely hidden), a non-traditional desktop experience is what matters to me.
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GNOME is designed to be keyboard-oriented and is not a traditional desktop, which I really like. I can live without dash-to-dock if I could use Meta+[1-9] for launching programs. Plus, I search for applications by hitting the Meta key and type the name of the application instead of looking through the app drawer as it behaves similar to Android and iOS, including macOS's Launchpad.
In Android, tapping the battery or Wi-Fi icon will open the drawer and close automatically. In GNOME, tapping the volume icon or the network icon will bring up the panel as expected, which I like.
As for the clock, I like it that it belongs in the top-center which is nice as I don't need to look at the top-right to tell the time.
If I want a traditional desktop experience, I will go with KDE, Openbox, Cinnamon, Budgie, etc. But for me, once I get used to GNOME with Dash to Dock extension (with panel completely hidden), a non-traditional desktop experience is what matters to me.
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Eddie
Nah. I hear people bashing GNome all the time, you know what? This is the reason why there are other distros, packages, and what-not! You don't like Gnome? DON'T USE IT!....but to constantly hear people bashing it because it doesn't -suit- them? Just asinine. Some people like Gnome and despise KDE, some people love KDE and can't stand openbox.....and the disparities and lists go on....and on....and on.....and gosh! Enough already! We get it!....-you- (not directed at anyone here in particular!) do not like GNome. Who cares? The ones who do?...will use it regardless of your opinions.....the same applies to the devoted KDE-ers....or JWM-ers....or i3WM-ers. I think sometimes some people just have nothing better to do but join a -bandwagon- of something they can't understand and then bash it to pieces.....LoL!
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Nah. I hear people bashing GNome all the time, you know what? This is the reason why there are other distros, packages, and what-not! You don't like Gnome? DON'T USE IT!....but to constantly hear people bashing it because it doesn't -suit- them? Just asinine. Some people like Gnome and despise KDE, some people love KDE and can't stand openbox.....and the disparities and lists go on....and on....and on.....and gosh! Enough already! We get it!....-you- (not directed at anyone here in particular!) do not like GNome. Who cares? The ones who do?...will use it regardless of your opinions.....the same applies to the devoted KDE-ers....or JWM-ers....or i3WM-ers. I think sometimes some people just have nothing better to do but join a -bandwagon- of something they can't understand and then bash it to pieces.....LoL!
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TheCerule
some other weaknesses/things to improve in gnome3 compared to many other DEs: many extensions and themes break when having major updates, you can't change the WM, file open dialogue lacks folder tree -sidebar, window title bars are unnecessary wide, you can't autohide the quite useless top bar, alt+left/right click doesn't work by default to resize/move windows...etc etc. I hope they'd take the criticism and improve things in Gnome 4.
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some other weaknesses/things to improve in gnome3 compared to many other DEs: many extensions and themes break when having major updates, you can't change the WM, file open dialogue lacks folder tree -sidebar, window title bars are unnecessary wide, you can't autohide the quite useless top bar, alt+left/right click doesn't work by default to resize/move windows...etc etc. I hope they'd take the criticism and improve things in Gnome 4.
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Aitch
I dislike GNOME in general, but I do think the reviewer here is splitting hairs somewhat in places. He counts moving the mouse as a separate step in itself, but the extra distance he has to move the mouse to get the dash bar (or whatever its called) isn't that much of a diversion to just going straight to the application launcher button. I pretty much agree on all the other fronts, though.
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I dislike GNOME in general, but I do think the reviewer here is splitting hairs somewhat in places. He counts moving the mouse as a separate step in itself, but the extra distance he has to move the mouse to get the dash bar (or whatever its called) isn't that much of a diversion to just going straight to the application launcher button. I pretty much agree on all the other fronts, though.
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Felix
I do not get why purism is so popular. There are better and more -ethical- Mail-, VPN-, Chat- and Mastodon-providers. Ther have always been companys that sell Linux Laptops (even with partially disabled IME). Purism is no better than any other company, they are not a non-profit but rather want to sell you shit, they just market themselves as super -ethical- and ask topdollar for that.
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I do not get why purism is so popular. There are better and more -ethical- Mail-, VPN-, Chat- and Mastodon-providers. Ther have always been companys that sell Linux Laptops (even with partially disabled IME). Purism is no better than any other company, they are not a non-profit but rather want to sell you shit, they just market themselves as super -ethical- and ask topdollar for that.
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bigpod
why is mastodon called decentrilised, we were taught that decentrilised means it doesnt just run on 1 server or in more bigger terms now days in a single Data center and by that every Social network is decentrilised technicly as far as i see most of mastodon isnt realy decentrilised since many instances run on single server and you cant look at all instances as collective realy
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why is mastodon called decentrilised, we were taught that decentrilised means it doesnt just run on 1 server or in more bigger terms now days in a single Data center and by that every Social network is decentrilised technicly as far as i see most of mastodon isnt realy decentrilised since many instances run on single server and you cant look at all instances as collective realy
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Moh
About Gnome, just read the issue opened by the author of the blog post about -Tweaks- app.
Really, sometimes I think some devs are really (sorry) -Sick- and just don't hear people and just stick on their ideas just like it's the only truth and just -we discussed that, that won't never happen-. Godd bye mass users.
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About Gnome, just read the issue opened by the author of the blog post about -Tweaks- app.
Really, sometimes I think some devs are really (sorry) -Sick- and just don't hear people and just stick on their ideas just like it's the only truth and just -we discussed that, that won't never happen-. Godd bye mass users.
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Aris
I I think the main reason that Mozilla is moving away from IRC is the lack of people. IRC is dying. Proprietary platforms have taken over: Telegram, Slack and Discord. I love the idea of an open platform, but when your market share is at 10% down from -40%, you need to go where people are. Sad but a reality.
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I I think the main reason that Mozilla is moving away from IRC is the lack of people. IRC is dying. Proprietary platforms have taken over: Telegram, Slack and Discord. I love the idea of an open platform, but when your market share is at 10% down from -40%, you need to go where people are. Sad but a reality.
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