Is Firefox Dying? Mozilla, We Need To Talk. - Techlore
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Date: 2022-04-15
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Michael
Ironically, I quit using Firefox because of excessive security that could not be turned off. The browser blocks even indisputably legitimate sites if their security certificates are even minutes out of date and won't let me override the block. Once they even blocked Wikipedia! I'm a retired IT professional who knows what he's doing. Some of the sites blocked are online survey and product testing sites, a useful supplement to my meagre disposable income. I am on disability and most of my money goes to food, rent, and medical expenses. I have contacted Mozilla repeatedly about the problem and have received no help. Chrome has issues (privacy not least, but warns me about expired certificates, then allows me to proceed at my own risk. I do use Firefox for one thing, however. I have a self-written HTML5 video player which I use extensively for playing music in the background as I perform other tasks. Firefox lets me enable autoplay with sound on localhost. Chromium based browsers won't: only Google's autoplay algorithm can--and it doesn't track localhost.
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Ironically, I quit using Firefox because of excessive security that could not be turned off. The browser blocks even indisputably legitimate sites if their security certificates are even minutes out of date and won't let me override the block. Once they even blocked Wikipedia! I'm a retired IT professional who knows what he's doing. Some of the sites blocked are online survey and product testing sites, a useful supplement to my meagre disposable income. I am on disability and most of my money goes to food, rent, and medical expenses. I have contacted Mozilla repeatedly about the problem and have received no help. Chrome has issues (privacy not least, but warns me about expired certificates, then allows me to proceed at my own risk. I do use Firefox for one thing, however. I have a self-written HTML5 video player which I use extensively for playing music in the background as I perform other tasks. Firefox lets me enable autoplay with sound on localhost. Chromium based browsers won't: only Google's autoplay algorithm can--and it doesn't track localhost.
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sagich
To be honest, I'm not bothered TO much by the Google thing. Yeah, it's a deal with the devil and all, but changing the default search engine isn't a big deal and unlike the privacy stuff, you'll see it as a user almost immediatly.
The problem is, that at the moment, there is literally no other way to make so much money to survive without the google deal.
In order to make money, I'd suggest a Services approach really, just like their VPN. The Problem with the VPN for the most part is really, that those aren't their own servers and you could simply go to mulvad instead. That would make more sense to me. But Clouds, Email, Password Managers? That's all stuff where you'd want some privacy and security - and Mozilla is one of the very few -companies- I'd actually trust. If they then would implement it right. Sure, for Mail we got Proton, for Passwords there are Keepass and Bitwarden as open Source projects, but the cloud space is suprisingly slim for privacy advocats, that don't want to self host.
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To be honest, I'm not bothered TO much by the Google thing. Yeah, it's a deal with the devil and all, but changing the default search engine isn't a big deal and unlike the privacy stuff, you'll see it as a user almost immediatly.
The problem is, that at the moment, there is literally no other way to make so much money to survive without the google deal.
In order to make money, I'd suggest a Services approach really, just like their VPN. The Problem with the VPN for the most part is really, that those aren't their own servers and you could simply go to mulvad instead. That would make more sense to me. But Clouds, Email, Password Managers? That's all stuff where you'd want some privacy and security - and Mozilla is one of the very few -companies- I'd actually trust. If they then would implement it right. Sure, for Mail we got Proton, for Passwords there are Keepass and Bitwarden as open Source projects, but the cloud space is suprisingly slim for privacy advocats, that don't want to self host.
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dharkbizkit
this makes me kind of sad. i have to be honest here. as someone who started -the internet thing- in 1999 i didnt care about browsers. i always used the internet explorer, that was it. i was aware of other browser back then but i didnt care. in my mind they all did the same thing, so why even bother looking for information? my first other browser, was chrome when it came out and i was stunned. i thought tabs were a new thing that was chrome only and started to love the browser from christmas 2008 onward. IE can go to hell. since 2014, i switched to firefox due to google privacy policy and felt comfortable there, but other the last 7 years, it feels like a downhill road. i dont wanna go back to chrome and i dont wanna edge this out. so whats there? but up to date techwise, thats on par with chrome?
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this makes me kind of sad. i have to be honest here. as someone who started -the internet thing- in 1999 i didnt care about browsers. i always used the internet explorer, that was it. i was aware of other browser back then but i didnt care. in my mind they all did the same thing, so why even bother looking for information? my first other browser, was chrome when it came out and i was stunned. i thought tabs were a new thing that was chrome only and started to love the browser from christmas 2008 onward. IE can go to hell. since 2014, i switched to firefox due to google privacy policy and felt comfortable there, but other the last 7 years, it feels like a downhill road. i dont wanna go back to chrome and i dont wanna edge this out. so whats there? but up to date techwise, thats on par with chrome?
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Pyro-Moloch
Let's forget about privacy for a second. What good alternatives does Firefox have on Linux? Brave and other Chromium-based browsers will not be for everyone. Forget the fact they're heavy, I just don't like default Chromium, and Brave feels like Chromium with a bunch of adblockers. Vivaldi and Opera are more creative with features and customizability, but they have a slew of technical issues. For someone who wants a stable, reliable, customizable and -relatively- lightweight browser, what other options are there besides Firefox? Sure, you could say Midori, Falkon, Pale Moon, etc. But none of those browsers have the amount of extensions that Firefox or Chromium-based browsers have. I really cannot see Firefox dying. They occupy a niche that no other browser occupies, I think.
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Let's forget about privacy for a second. What good alternatives does Firefox have on Linux? Brave and other Chromium-based browsers will not be for everyone. Forget the fact they're heavy, I just don't like default Chromium, and Brave feels like Chromium with a bunch of adblockers. Vivaldi and Opera are more creative with features and customizability, but they have a slew of technical issues. For someone who wants a stable, reliable, customizable and -relatively- lightweight browser, what other options are there besides Firefox? Sure, you could say Midori, Falkon, Pale Moon, etc. But none of those browsers have the amount of extensions that Firefox or Chromium-based browsers have. I really cannot see Firefox dying. They occupy a niche that no other browser occupies, I think.
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My
I believed Firefox will save us from Google but they failed us. I belived Brave will save us when they came out but after they implemented their shitcoin I realised the browser is just a wrapper for the shitcoin scam, a way to promote selling tokens to people, tokens that they printed out of thin air. I don't know where to look at this point, the whole world seems disgusting. I would pay $50 annual subscription for a privacy respecting browser that works well and gets regualar security patches and updates. But there isn't such browser.
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I believed Firefox will save us from Google but they failed us. I belived Brave will save us when they came out but after they implemented their shitcoin I realised the browser is just a wrapper for the shitcoin scam, a way to promote selling tokens to people, tokens that they printed out of thin air. I don't know where to look at this point, the whole world seems disgusting. I would pay $50 annual subscription for a privacy respecting browser that works well and gets regualar security patches and updates. But there isn't such browser.
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Petsto
The question, who do you trust? Trust in the internet age is something very difficult because in the end you could say you can't trust anyone. But I do trust Mozilla more than a Google or Apple.
I Trust Mega more than Dropbox. The reason why mozilla is selling VPN is because it's easy money.
A VPN has very little infrastructure and is very cheap to maintain. They do this so that they are not 100% relying on Google Money. I see it as a good thing, a little bit like crowd founding.
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The question, who do you trust? Trust in the internet age is something very difficult because in the end you could say you can't trust anyone. But I do trust Mozilla more than a Google or Apple.
I Trust Mega more than Dropbox. The reason why mozilla is selling VPN is because it's easy money.
A VPN has very little infrastructure and is very cheap to maintain. They do this so that they are not 100% relying on Google Money. I see it as a good thing, a little bit like crowd founding.
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Hugo
Pretty sure the reason why Apple respect privacy because they actually makes money mostly from more expensive phones and tablets than their competitors and some Apple Services that they are now adding like Apple One. That-s why they have enough revenue to grow without the need to track users. In fact, they probably don-t even need Google anymore to pay them for the default search engine even thought Google pays Apple a lot more than Mozilla.
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Pretty sure the reason why Apple respect privacy because they actually makes money mostly from more expensive phones and tablets than their competitors and some Apple Services that they are now adding like Apple One. That-s why they have enough revenue to grow without the need to track users. In fact, they probably don-t even need Google anymore to pay them for the default search engine even thought Google pays Apple a lot more than Mozilla.
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WeFunk
I find Firefox handy because a) it has a way to set a custom socks 5 proxy b) when a website is acting -buggy- and not seeming to work, I fire it up in Firefox to see if it can get through the javascript. Oh and c) On my very old studio imac, I use it to run Shadertoy pages as Chrome is not updating on macOS 10. 9 any more (I stay on 10. 9 due to the music software I'm running)
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I find Firefox handy because a) it has a way to set a custom socks 5 proxy b) when a website is acting -buggy- and not seeming to work, I fire it up in Firefox to see if it can get through the javascript. Oh and c) On my very old studio imac, I use it to run Shadertoy pages as Chrome is not updating on macOS 10. 9 any more (I stay on 10. 9 due to the music software I'm running)
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Landu
I do not know, but I never considered Firefox, a privacy browser. For me, it was just like other browsers, the key difference being it did not eat as much RAM like chromium based browsers. Otherwise, there was no tracker/ad blocking by default, and default search engine was google. Not much different from Chrome apart from using less system resources.
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I do not know, but I never considered Firefox, a privacy browser. For me, it was just like other browsers, the key difference being it did not eat as much RAM like chromium based browsers. Otherwise, there was no tracker/ad blocking by default, and default search engine was google. Not much different from Chrome apart from using less system resources.
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Z1BABOUINOS
I come all the way back from mosaic and netscape, so firefox was my browser for many years.
Then, they started changing things for the sake of -changing things-
The straw that broke the camel's back was when they removed the description field from bookmarks.
Firefox usage is shrinking to obscurity, and they caused it themselves.
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I come all the way back from mosaic and netscape, so firefox was my browser for many years.
Then, they started changing things for the sake of -changing things-
The straw that broke the camel's back was when they removed the description field from bookmarks.
Firefox usage is shrinking to obscurity, and they caused it themselves.
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