9900k benchmarking controversy? 28-core Xeon too cheap?
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Date: 2022-03-15
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James
Those benchmarks are borderline illegal (fraudulent/fake advertising. Intel basically paid that company to do the questionable review, then endorsed their work. This way if Intel gets sued, they can hand off the lawsuit to who did the bench marking, and at that point in the fine print they have disclaimers saying how they are not liable for anything done based on their numbers and are not responsible for any mishaps resulting from them. Then you end up in a legal downward spiral and eventually they will settle for what Intel would see as pocket change. It is really sad but this is the only way they are gonna be able to sell chips, because once real reviews go live, like toms hardware and anandtech (probably the two largest outlets) as well as the usual mass of youtubers like everyone in this video, ltt, jayz, gn, hwb, ect, the chip will be dead in the waters
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Those benchmarks are borderline illegal (fraudulent/fake advertising. Intel basically paid that company to do the questionable review, then endorsed their work. This way if Intel gets sued, they can hand off the lawsuit to who did the bench marking, and at that point in the fine print they have disclaimers saying how they are not liable for anything done based on their numbers and are not responsible for any mishaps resulting from them. Then you end up in a legal downward spiral and eventually they will settle for what Intel would see as pocket change. It is really sad but this is the only way they are gonna be able to sell chips, because once real reviews go live, like toms hardware and anandtech (probably the two largest outlets) as well as the usual mass of youtubers like everyone in this video, ltt, jayz, gn, hwb, ect, the chip will be dead in the waters
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Daryl
You're wrong, AMD hasn't had a process not on-par with Intel for a long time. Intel's current 14nm process is the equivalent of 10nm on an AMD chip except that AMD never had a 10nm process. Intel is also shipping small 10nm chips in small quantities currently which are roughly equivalent to AMD's 7nm when it arrives. Intel and AMD are planning volume production of their 10nm/7nm process in 2019. Then they will finally be on comparable nodes for the first time in a long time.
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You're wrong, AMD hasn't had a process not on-par with Intel for a long time. Intel's current 14nm process is the equivalent of 10nm on an AMD chip except that AMD never had a 10nm process. Intel is also shipping small 10nm chips in small quantities currently which are roughly equivalent to AMD's 7nm when it arrives. Intel and AMD are planning volume production of their 10nm/7nm process in 2019. Then they will finally be on comparable nodes for the first time in a long time.
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Deinorius
Wait a second! Just because AMD uses the 12 nm process doesn't mean it's a better more refined process. Intel themselves use not just a 14 nm process, it's more a 14FF++ (or however) process. Maybe even with three +++! xD
Just as an example: Samsung's and TSMC's 7 nm process it's comparable with Intel's 10 mm process. Those marketing numbers doesn't mean anything.
The only thing that's true, TSMC is right now the technological leader with lithography processes.
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Wait a second! Just because AMD uses the 12 nm process doesn't mean it's a better more refined process. Intel themselves use not just a 14 nm process, it's more a 14FF++ (or however) process. Maybe even with three +++! xD
Just as an example: Samsung's and TSMC's 7 nm process it's comparable with Intel's 10 mm process. Those marketing numbers doesn't mean anything.
The only thing that's true, TSMC is right now the technological leader with lithography processes.
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maplestory15413
So for gaming I'd get the 2700x and spend the extra $200 on a better GPU, and for work stations I'd just buy the 1920x, 12 cores and 24 threads for $50 less. Also the gaming benchmarks were skewed, so I only expect an unnoticeable difference in fps, if the game is over my refresh rate then I don't care. If money wasn't an object and you only cared about gaming, then go for the 9900k
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So for gaming I'd get the 2700x and spend the extra $200 on a better GPU, and for work stations I'd just buy the 1920x, 12 cores and 24 threads for $50 less. Also the gaming benchmarks were skewed, so I only expect an unnoticeable difference in fps, if the game is over my refresh rate then I don't care. If money wasn't an object and you only cared about gaming, then go for the 9900k
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GrumpyFelo
No point bringing games benchmarks when alot of them just care for ipc and clocks, not cores. Just show a cinebench normal and single core, that should tell you alot the 9900k vs 2700x. As of right now, is only a 8700k with 2 more cores. I bet if you disable 2 cores/4 threads of the 9900k in bios and do a cinebench it would be the same as the 8700k.
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No point bringing games benchmarks when alot of them just care for ipc and clocks, not cores. Just show a cinebench normal and single core, that should tell you alot the 9900k vs 2700x. As of right now, is only a 8700k with 2 more cores. I bet if you disable 2 cores/4 threads of the 9900k in bios and do a cinebench it would be the same as the 8700k.
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Don
8 core vs 8 core intel will be faster. thats just a fact. but the 2700x is no bulldozer. it wouldn't be doing as bad as Principle technologies show. intel did not have to waste their money on these botch benchmarks with that said. a ryzen 2700x will serve you well. it is a great cpu
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8 core vs 8 core intel will be faster. thats just a fact. but the 2700x is no bulldozer. it wouldn't be doing as bad as Principle technologies show. intel did not have to waste their money on these botch benchmarks with that said. a ryzen 2700x will serve you well. it is a great cpu
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pr0xZen
Intel obviously don't wanna cannibalize their existing lineup too much, thats a given. But what they _could_ do, is drop the price on the existing 28 core xeon, or EOL it. Then a high price tag on this new one wouldn't ruffle nearly as many feathers.
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Intel obviously don't wanna cannibalize their existing lineup too much, thats a given. But what they _could_ do, is drop the price on the existing 28 core xeon, or EOL it. Then a high price tag on this new one wouldn't ruffle nearly as many feathers.
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Youtube
new i7 is 550 in canada; previous generations were 400-500
8 core 8threads vs last gens 6/12
Is the 2 extra cores loss of hyper threading and the 100-200[because it's last gen we will see prices fall. ]$ price difference actually okay?
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new i7 is 550 in canada; previous generations were 400-500
8 core 8threads vs last gens 6/12
Is the 2 extra cores loss of hyper threading and the 100-200[because it's last gen we will see prices fall. ]$ price difference actually okay?
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Gem
ROTFL. watching this after finding out rigged this presentation was is just funny. Yeah AMD is no saint but this right here really shows a severe lack of faith in what they are trying to sell that could only be called -force choke worthy-.
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ROTFL. watching this after finding out rigged this presentation was is just funny. Yeah AMD is no saint but this right here really shows a severe lack of faith in what they are trying to sell that could only be called -force choke worthy-.
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Drew
Cool great video, glad to see Gordan getting to the rounds with the Tech Tubers at this event. Get his ass on some of the fun colaborations those guys do like Scrapyard wars, Overclocking battles, building PCs in tanks/boats ect
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Cool great video, glad to see Gordan getting to the rounds with the Tech Tubers at this event. Get his ass on some of the fun colaborations those guys do like Scrapyard wars, Overclocking battles, building PCs in tanks/boats ect
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