Asus Talks 12th-Gen, DDR5, Z690 & More - The Full Nerd Special Edition
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Date: 2022-03-15
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SpacehotelMusic
I definitely could do without RGB if it saved money, no interest these days, MY PC sits under the desk (large Meshify 2 XL case) so couldn't see it anyway.
I bought the Strix DDR4 gaming A for my 12900k (I couldn't justify rebuying DDR5 until NEXT gen so my fast DDR4 3200(overclocked to 3600) CL14 samsung B. Die got reused) and it's a good little board, on Artic LFii 420 AIO I'm 5. 1(p)/4. 1(e) all core manual O/C stable and cool (never beyond 76 degrees in heavy normal use - 87degrees at the harshest benchmarks) - fast AF and I'm more than happy. Last system was Hero Maximus X (with 8700k, it's around 3x faster than that on many things I use. I've never had any issue with Asus boards, but had issues with gigabyte and others in the past.
Lots of benching, mem tests, stability tests led me to these overclocks, I could go higher but there would be memory or stabilty issues (even if rare) I don't want ANY issues so I settled for this sensible but nice boost over stock. I was showing 133% on userbench vs other 12900k setups and it benches above the 5950x on multicore/cinebench easily, and is ahead of everything on single core massively. Overall am pleased with the motherboard and Alder Lake, the first interesting INTEL CPU in years.
My vote btw on front panel - is I use it ALL the time. for flash drives/External SSD drives etc. and with USB-C on the front now I'll plug a Quest 2 in (if not going wireless. So yeah do keep doing the front stuff and keep it cutting edge.
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I definitely could do without RGB if it saved money, no interest these days, MY PC sits under the desk (large Meshify 2 XL case) so couldn't see it anyway.
I bought the Strix DDR4 gaming A for my 12900k (I couldn't justify rebuying DDR5 until NEXT gen so my fast DDR4 3200(overclocked to 3600) CL14 samsung B. Die got reused) and it's a good little board, on Artic LFii 420 AIO I'm 5. 1(p)/4. 1(e) all core manual O/C stable and cool (never beyond 76 degrees in heavy normal use - 87degrees at the harshest benchmarks) - fast AF and I'm more than happy. Last system was Hero Maximus X (with 8700k, it's around 3x faster than that on many things I use. I've never had any issue with Asus boards, but had issues with gigabyte and others in the past.
Lots of benching, mem tests, stability tests led me to these overclocks, I could go higher but there would be memory or stabilty issues (even if rare) I don't want ANY issues so I settled for this sensible but nice boost over stock. I was showing 133% on userbench vs other 12900k setups and it benches above the 5950x on multicore/cinebench easily, and is ahead of everything on single core massively. Overall am pleased with the motherboard and Alder Lake, the first interesting INTEL CPU in years.
My vote btw on front panel - is I use it ALL the time. for flash drives/External SSD drives etc. and with USB-C on the front now I'll plug a Quest 2 in (if not going wireless. So yeah do keep doing the front stuff and keep it cutting edge.
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Pillokun
Material costs. it is still super cheap compared to how much -material- found in these boards: P Margins must be pretty good: P Look at the kg price of -these- materials: P To be fair even the cheapest z690 boards seems like very nice boards, 4 nvme 12-16 vrm phases with at least 60amps powerstages. The only thing that is the a big difference now is how it looks and if it has wifi and/or a more high end audio codecs.
Why is ATX hurting us? In today's climate(a pun not only the climate of the world) e-waste is a big issue, why should we get rid of atx when it works so well? 100% that in the future the manufacturers will not be allowed to change sockets when a new gen is introduced as it makes the older boards instantaneously obsolete. All we need are smaller form factor of mobos, even itx is too large at this point for avg user and gamer.
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Material costs. it is still super cheap compared to how much -material- found in these boards: P Margins must be pretty good: P Look at the kg price of -these- materials: P To be fair even the cheapest z690 boards seems like very nice boards, 4 nvme 12-16 vrm phases with at least 60amps powerstages. The only thing that is the a big difference now is how it looks and if it has wifi and/or a more high end audio codecs.
Why is ATX hurting us? In today's climate(a pun not only the climate of the world) e-waste is a big issue, why should we get rid of atx when it works so well? 100% that in the future the manufacturers will not be allowed to change sockets when a new gen is introduced as it makes the older boards instantaneously obsolete. All we need are smaller form factor of mobos, even itx is too large at this point for avg user and gamer.
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Baby
Very disappointed that Asus limited the ProArt Z690 to M. 2 gen4. Sure, gamers need high speed storage access. But creators absolutely need high speed storage access. Asus has to realize there is a market for high end custom PC builds besides gamers. Actually, this is only true because nobody builds a reasonably priced high end pc better than what one can build themselves. Perhaps Asus trade one of the zillion gamer boards for one additional ProArt board that has everything the Maximus Extreme has without all the Christmas tree lights.
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Very disappointed that Asus limited the ProArt Z690 to M. 2 gen4. Sure, gamers need high speed storage access. But creators absolutely need high speed storage access. Asus has to realize there is a market for high end custom PC builds besides gamers. Actually, this is only true because nobody builds a reasonably priced high end pc better than what one can build themselves. Perhaps Asus trade one of the zillion gamer boards for one additional ProArt board that has everything the Maximus Extreme has without all the Christmas tree lights.
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ne0rmatrix
I was looking at Alderlake platform and maybe building a pc based on it. The cost is just too high. The CPU price is not outside of what I can afford. The motherboard price is ok. The availability and price of RAM is so high I will not even consider it! I am looking at a single retail source of RAM and its 500 dollars CAD. That is for 32GB of ram. Until that price becomes more reasonable I will stick with my 5950x an Asus X570 Gaming E. The cost of DDR5 ram is so crazy I will not even consider it till price drops by 50 percent!
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I was looking at Alderlake platform and maybe building a pc based on it. The cost is just too high. The CPU price is not outside of what I can afford. The motherboard price is ok. The availability and price of RAM is so high I will not even consider it! I am looking at a single retail source of RAM and its 500 dollars CAD. That is for 32GB of ram. Until that price becomes more reasonable I will stick with my 5950x an Asus X570 Gaming E. The cost of DDR5 ram is so crazy I will not even consider it till price drops by 50 percent!
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Matthew
Too much to go over on this one. I'm sad that I missed this live. But, I did find it funny about the rubber piece on the retention lever, and Gordon's response. Yes, it is funny, and I'm not even on Intel, but that is awesome that they were mindful enough to put that rubber piece on there. All of that said, I am on an Asus board for my Ryzen system. Call me a fanboy or whatever, but I haven't had much of any bad luck with their stuff in over 20 years. That being said, nobody and no one brand is 100% perfect all the time.
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Too much to go over on this one. I'm sad that I missed this live. But, I did find it funny about the rubber piece on the retention lever, and Gordon's response. Yes, it is funny, and I'm not even on Intel, but that is awesome that they were mindful enough to put that rubber piece on there. All of that said, I am on an Asus board for my Ryzen system. Call me a fanboy or whatever, but I haven't had much of any bad luck with their stuff in over 20 years. That being said, nobody and no one brand is 100% perfect all the time.
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ZIV
Excellent episode. Good to see JJ make another appearance! Ton of useful info about current hardware, as well as broader clarification on things like why RGB hasn't coalesced into a single standard yet.
And I really appreciate seeing someone from a big component company like ASUS go -full nerd- and truly be excited for all the little details and technical aspects of products and the industry. --
Also, really looking forward to seeing more Noctua+ASUS collabs. --
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Excellent episode. Good to see JJ make another appearance! Ton of useful info about current hardware, as well as broader clarification on things like why RGB hasn't coalesced into a single standard yet.
And I really appreciate seeing someone from a big component company like ASUS go -full nerd- and truly be excited for all the little details and technical aspects of products and the industry. --
Also, really looking forward to seeing more Noctua+ASUS collabs. --
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Vcjester
J. J. So when are y'all going to send Buildzoid some mobos? He gripes about every brand at one time or another. Also, he DID do a video where he defended your VRM phase decisions back in z390 days.
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J. J. So when are y'all going to send Buildzoid some mobos? He gripes about every brand at one time or another. Also, he DID do a video where he defended your VRM phase decisions back in z390 days.
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Ole
So they are telling us the signal requirements for DDR5 were so low that they did not have to improve anything in the PCB. Yet it somehow magically drives the cost enormously. Sure, ASUS.
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So they are telling us the signal requirements for DDR5 were so low that they did not have to improve anything in the PCB. Yet it somehow magically drives the cost enormously. Sure, ASUS.
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H. H
I always liked Asus productus but in my country even entrylvl are way above my pricerange still nice show lots of good info.
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I always liked Asus productus but in my country even entrylvl are way above my pricerange still nice show lots of good info.
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