Rumor Extravaganza: RTX Ti Variants, CPU Changes, ATX12VO Push - The Full Nerd ep. 178
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Date: 2022-03-15
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Bryant
The VEGA 64 was still a great card. 2 years late or not. Now, with DX12/Vulkan being the dominant API, it demolishes anything close to its price range. Before the 2nd mining boom, you could get a VEGA 64 for $250-$300. I picked up the Limited Edition Sapphire NITRO+ RX VEGA 64 for $350, and that's arguably the best air cooled VEGA 64 released. Of course this particular VEGA 64 was new and i been waiting for Sapphire to drop old new stock. I'm a collector of all NITRO+ SE, LE and EE cards. Regardless, VEGA's even better now. Its gained anywhere from 20%-30% performance over release, and now about 10% slower on average than the 1080ti. That's throughout a 60 game 3 year spectrum. On the other hand, VEGA 64 (which has 4, 096 Streaming Processors with 8GB's of HBM2) is a monster. Especially in 3D CAD and other 3D/simulation applications that can use all of its 4, 096 SP's. With dual VEGA's it scales surprisingly well. Again, that's in certain 3D applications designed with GCN (AMD's previous older architecture) in mind. Back to the mining boom. I actually picked up 6 RADEON VII's. Not for mining, it was because they were cheap and no one wanted them. I saw an opportunity and took it. Now the RADEON VII is one of the most wanted cards out there. Of course for the miners. They go for $2, 000+ and 2nd only to the 3090 in a miners eye. In gaming it had RTX 2080/super performance for $450-$500 just a year ago. I actually picked up one for $325 and sold it recently for 2K+. I then used that money to buy the Sapphire NITRO+ RX 6900XT TOXIC EE. So, in all reality, i got one of the Top 3 GPU's, in any light, for $325. All for just the love of VEGA's. I also sold one more to get a 3090, for testing and other uses. I then gave the rest away to people that needed a GPU. Friends and Family. If they weren't happy with it, they could give it back and i would replace it. Everyone's happy. There are GPU's starting to hit shelves. 8 to 9 months to late but remember VEGA. NAVI2 will only get better with time. Before i get any hate. I was all intel and nVIDIA until Turing. And i actually like Turing. The 2080ti and RTX TITAN are great GPU's. I seen a RTX TITAN for $1, 500 but didn't see the need to get it. I kind of regret that one but, i used that money to buy 6 RADEON VII's. Also, picked up a 2080ti FTW3 Ultra-87 for $710 cause i collect eVGA's hardware too. I just wait a year or two and get 50%-70% off retail. Shop smarter, not harder. I do the same with CPU's, motherboards, cases, RAM, smartphones, cars, real estate, ect. and have been very fortunate because of it.
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The VEGA 64 was still a great card. 2 years late or not. Now, with DX12/Vulkan being the dominant API, it demolishes anything close to its price range. Before the 2nd mining boom, you could get a VEGA 64 for $250-$300. I picked up the Limited Edition Sapphire NITRO+ RX VEGA 64 for $350, and that's arguably the best air cooled VEGA 64 released. Of course this particular VEGA 64 was new and i been waiting for Sapphire to drop old new stock. I'm a collector of all NITRO+ SE, LE and EE cards. Regardless, VEGA's even better now. Its gained anywhere from 20%-30% performance over release, and now about 10% slower on average than the 1080ti. That's throughout a 60 game 3 year spectrum. On the other hand, VEGA 64 (which has 4, 096 Streaming Processors with 8GB's of HBM2) is a monster. Especially in 3D CAD and other 3D/simulation applications that can use all of its 4, 096 SP's. With dual VEGA's it scales surprisingly well. Again, that's in certain 3D applications designed with GCN (AMD's previous older architecture) in mind. Back to the mining boom. I actually picked up 6 RADEON VII's. Not for mining, it was because they were cheap and no one wanted them. I saw an opportunity and took it. Now the RADEON VII is one of the most wanted cards out there. Of course for the miners. They go for $2, 000+ and 2nd only to the 3090 in a miners eye. In gaming it had RTX 2080/super performance for $450-$500 just a year ago. I actually picked up one for $325 and sold it recently for 2K+. I then used that money to buy the Sapphire NITRO+ RX 6900XT TOXIC EE. So, in all reality, i got one of the Top 3 GPU's, in any light, for $325. All for just the love of VEGA's. I also sold one more to get a 3090, for testing and other uses. I then gave the rest away to people that needed a GPU. Friends and Family. If they weren't happy with it, they could give it back and i would replace it. Everyone's happy. There are GPU's starting to hit shelves. 8 to 9 months to late but remember VEGA. NAVI2 will only get better with time. Before i get any hate. I was all intel and nVIDIA until Turing. And i actually like Turing. The 2080ti and RTX TITAN are great GPU's. I seen a RTX TITAN for $1, 500 but didn't see the need to get it. I kind of regret that one but, i used that money to buy 6 RADEON VII's. Also, picked up a 2080ti FTW3 Ultra-87 for $710 cause i collect eVGA's hardware too. I just wait a year or two and get 50%-70% off retail. Shop smarter, not harder. I do the same with CPU's, motherboards, cases, RAM, smartphones, cars, real estate, ect. and have been very fortunate because of it.
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Andrei
-Ask PCWorld: Why would I believe that the $80 low-end motherboard ($52. 99 right now on Newegg -BIOSTAR B450MH AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX-) that will have to include the voltage regulators (in the ATX 12VO future) is more power efficient than current the $80 PSU rated at 80 Plus Gold (just saw this one on Newegg at $77. 99 -EVGA 650 GQ 210-GQ-0650-V1 80+ GOLD 650W Modular EVGA ECO Mode-?
My opinion is that ATX 12VO solves nothing, but creates more problems when you need more 3. 3V and 5V amps (like a home file storage) and shifts the inefficiency on the motherboard that might not provide enough power. Yes, if you look at the PSU in an isolated universe of its own, it is better, but not in real life. To be clear: those rails will continue to exist, used or not, but will be on the MB. Another thing to bear in mind is that an idle system with RGB nonsense will still waste electricity, increase the heat production and AC requirements. If the industry really wants to improve the environmental impact, then they would no longer pack and sell everything with useless lights in everything (mouse, mouse pad, headphones, fans, keyboards, back of the screens, table drawers, adult toys, etc. That's where the waste lies at idle loads, not so much in my PSUs.
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-Ask PCWorld: Why would I believe that the $80 low-end motherboard ($52. 99 right now on Newegg -BIOSTAR B450MH AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX-) that will have to include the voltage regulators (in the ATX 12VO future) is more power efficient than current the $80 PSU rated at 80 Plus Gold (just saw this one on Newegg at $77. 99 -EVGA 650 GQ 210-GQ-0650-V1 80+ GOLD 650W Modular EVGA ECO Mode-?
My opinion is that ATX 12VO solves nothing, but creates more problems when you need more 3. 3V and 5V amps (like a home file storage) and shifts the inefficiency on the motherboard that might not provide enough power. Yes, if you look at the PSU in an isolated universe of its own, it is better, but not in real life. To be clear: those rails will continue to exist, used or not, but will be on the MB. Another thing to bear in mind is that an idle system with RGB nonsense will still waste electricity, increase the heat production and AC requirements. If the industry really wants to improve the environmental impact, then they would no longer pack and sell everything with useless lights in everything (mouse, mouse pad, headphones, fans, keyboards, back of the screens, table drawers, adult toys, etc. That's where the waste lies at idle loads, not so much in my PSUs.
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Andrei
Regarding cores vs frequency, I am in a different dilemma: in my storage/cloud/plex and light VM server I have a B450 motherboard and two available CPUs for it that I can only use one at a time. My spare CPUs are R5 3500X (Zen2 7nm, 6C/6T no iGPU, 3. 6-4. 1 GHz, 4. 0 all-core turbo) and the R5 3400G (Zen+ 14nm, 4C/8T Vega 11, 3. 7-4. 2 GHz, 4. 0 all-core turbo.
Now that is a difficult choice between two average CPUs, one better for gaming and storage (on newer motherboards that I don't own, with the other having more threads, higher base and turbo (by a hair thin margin, worse for gaming, but including a GPU.
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Regarding cores vs frequency, I am in a different dilemma: in my storage/cloud/plex and light VM server I have a B450 motherboard and two available CPUs for it that I can only use one at a time. My spare CPUs are R5 3500X (Zen2 7nm, 6C/6T no iGPU, 3. 6-4. 1 GHz, 4. 0 all-core turbo) and the R5 3400G (Zen+ 14nm, 4C/8T Vega 11, 3. 7-4. 2 GHz, 4. 0 all-core turbo.
Now that is a difficult choice between two average CPUs, one better for gaming and storage (on newer motherboards that I don't own, with the other having more threads, higher base and turbo (by a hair thin margin, worse for gaming, but including a GPU.
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liaminwales
30: 00 I wonder if the AMD CPU switch is to move RMA's for bent pins from AMD to MOBO OEM's or just to end market confusion over every one who has been trained to use pin on MOBO over the last 10 years.
I dont mind, think pins on CPU may be simpler to fix? (they look stronger & more easy to get to)
PS GN did a video with a broken AMD pin where they inserted it in to the CPU socket in the correct hole and it worked!
1: 19: 00 My macpro 5, 1 is using an RX 580 powered from the MOBO, I think they just got NAVI 2 working too
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30: 00 I wonder if the AMD CPU switch is to move RMA's for bent pins from AMD to MOBO OEM's or just to end market confusion over every one who has been trained to use pin on MOBO over the last 10 years.
I dont mind, think pins on CPU may be simpler to fix? (they look stronger & more easy to get to)
PS GN did a video with a broken AMD pin where they inserted it in to the CPU socket in the correct hole and it worked!
1: 19: 00 My macpro 5, 1 is using an RX 580 powered from the MOBO, I think they just got NAVI 2 working too
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Heath
Well people that signed up for the queue 09/21/2020 with EVGA are starting to get to order their RTX 3080's, My placeholder is 10/07/2020 and 11/03/2020. So. might have better luck getting my hands on the RTX 3080 TI.
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Well people that signed up for the queue 09/21/2020 with EVGA are starting to get to order their RTX 3080's, My placeholder is 10/07/2020 and 11/03/2020. So. might have better luck getting my hands on the RTX 3080 TI.
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TheSupremeGinge
Gordon, Yeah, i'm going to go ahead and ask you to come in on Saturday. Oh, and remember, next Friday-is Hawaiian shirt day. So, you know, if you want to, go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans.
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Gordon, Yeah, i'm going to go ahead and ask you to come in on Saturday. Oh, and remember, next Friday-is Hawaiian shirt day. So, you know, if you want to, go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans.
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cfq.
I'm Rodney, so I always got, - Rodney you plonker! -.
From - Only Fools and Horses. a UK TV series from the 80's
You Plonker!
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I'm Rodney, so I always got, - Rodney you plonker! -.
From - Only Fools and Horses. a UK TV series from the 80's
You Plonker!
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