Is The Sumo Deadlift Cheating? (Response To CBum)
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Date: 2022-04-25
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Been a long time fan but this topic clearly hit you in your feels lmao the parts where you talk about off setting ROM difference with more weight is the exact reason people discredit the sumo pull, because you can load more weight due to slightly less ROM. And even with all of your scientific backing that point still went over your head.
The portion where you talk about benching and lat pull downs is also comical as close grip benching not only hits different muscles differently but it also is more physically demanding than wide grip bc of the ROM. Which is odd that you of all people don t address this in the video considering your scientific understanding of this. And close grip lat pull downs are most definitely different than wide grip, at least as far as connection through ROM go for the full pull range (in my case that is.
Your best bet was to simply address the physiological differences in sumo and conventional pulling, neither lift is bad, one is just easier for most people. But it s obvious this topic gets you emotional bc the skit with the CBUM poster was gaudy and embarrassing lmfao I couldn t imagine being this emotionally invested in a topic that you re apparently confident about lol
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Been a long time fan but this topic clearly hit you in your feels lmao the parts where you talk about off setting ROM difference with more weight is the exact reason people discredit the sumo pull, because you can load more weight due to slightly less ROM. And even with all of your scientific backing that point still went over your head.
The portion where you talk about benching and lat pull downs is also comical as close grip benching not only hits different muscles differently but it also is more physically demanding than wide grip bc of the ROM. Which is odd that you of all people don t address this in the video considering your scientific understanding of this. And close grip lat pull downs are most definitely different than wide grip, at least as far as connection through ROM go for the full pull range (in my case that is.
Your best bet was to simply address the physiological differences in sumo and conventional pulling, neither lift is bad, one is just easier for most people. But it s obvious this topic gets you emotional bc the skit with the CBUM poster was gaudy and embarrassing lmfao I couldn t imagine being this emotionally invested in a topic that you re apparently confident about lol
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DeHymenator
Its a question of limiting factors. Legs are generally stronger and less complex than the back. So shifting load on dead lift more to the legs makes it an easier lift. I've seen a one ton leg press. I have not seen a 1 ton good morning. It biomechanically moves the dead lift closer to a wide stance power lifting squat. The fact of the matter is they are different lifts and should be treated as such.
Also I bet if you tracked the percent of each form user by age you would see a similar trend line to weight class. If you've been pulling conventional for 15 years its probably a discouraging change to make.
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Its a question of limiting factors. Legs are generally stronger and less complex than the back. So shifting load on dead lift more to the legs makes it an easier lift. I've seen a one ton leg press. I have not seen a 1 ton good morning. It biomechanically moves the dead lift closer to a wide stance power lifting squat. The fact of the matter is they are different lifts and should be treated as such.
Also I bet if you tracked the percent of each form user by age you would see a similar trend line to weight class. If you've been pulling conventional for 15 years its probably a discouraging change to make.
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Turkish
New villain in the Harry Potter Wizarding World confirmed?
But on a serious note, the reason why sumo and arched benching are so demonized is because novice and intermediate lifters default to them ONLY to lift more; you see so many people use these movements, but perform them terribly, because they have not done their due diligence in determining what is most optimal for them. Additionally, those who take these forms to the extreme look ridiculous and give a bad reputation to everyone else
Such is why weightlifting is the supreme barbell sport
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New villain in the Harry Potter Wizarding World confirmed?
But on a serious note, the reason why sumo and arched benching are so demonized is because novice and intermediate lifters default to them ONLY to lift more; you see so many people use these movements, but perform them terribly, because they have not done their due diligence in determining what is most optimal for them. Additionally, those who take these forms to the extreme look ridiculous and give a bad reputation to everyone else
Such is why weightlifting is the supreme barbell sport
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Vaaltor
The biggest thing with sumo vs conventional is i think it matters more on your body proportionality. For instance I m 6 4 with a 6 8 arm span and really long legs. Conventional deadlift for me requires way to much out of my back as I can t really lift with my legs for the initial standing up because of how long my arms are. Same goes with bench or lat pull down or pull ups and squats. A wider grip or stance gives my limbs better tension and leveraging with less risk of hurting myself by over extension.
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The biggest thing with sumo vs conventional is i think it matters more on your body proportionality. For instance I m 6 4 with a 6 8 arm span and really long legs. Conventional deadlift for me requires way to much out of my back as I can t really lift with my legs for the initial standing up because of how long my arms are. Same goes with bench or lat pull down or pull ups and squats. A wider grip or stance gives my limbs better tension and leveraging with less risk of hurting myself by over extension.
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Jason
What about trap/hex bar deadlifts? Obviously, they don't qualify for the sport of powerlifting, but from a muscle activation and hypertrophy perspective would there be any difference between (conventionally) deadlifting with a hex bar instead of a straight barbell? I switched to using a trap bar last year because the neutral grip is easier on my shoulders, and it's nice that it doesn't tear up my shins, and I'm curious now what Jeff thinks about them!
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What about trap/hex bar deadlifts? Obviously, they don't qualify for the sport of powerlifting, but from a muscle activation and hypertrophy perspective would there be any difference between (conventionally) deadlifting with a hex bar instead of a straight barbell? I switched to using a trap bar last year because the neutral grip is easier on my shoulders, and it's nice that it doesn't tear up my shins, and I'm curious now what Jeff thinks about them!
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Peter
Only 1. 30 into the video but thought I would post here before I go any further and say I believe both lifts have there place, If you're bragging about PR's or competition etc one lift can't be compared again the other and they should have their own categories ie inside shoulder width and outside shoulders width
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Only 1. 30 into the video but thought I would post here before I go any further and say I believe both lifts have there place, If you're bragging about PR's or competition etc one lift can't be compared again the other and they should have their own categories ie inside shoulder width and outside shoulders width
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Kevin
Due to height (6'1 ) and postural health, I do sumo stance to get my butt closer to the ground without my knees sticking out too far and interrupting my bar path. I find that it actually feels more demanding on my hip abductors but equally demanding on my spinal erectors, lats (for stance lock-in, and rear legs.
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Due to height (6'1 ) and postural health, I do sumo stance to get my butt closer to the ground without my knees sticking out too far and interrupting my bar path. I find that it actually feels more demanding on my hip abductors but equally demanding on my spinal erectors, lats (for stance lock-in, and rear legs.
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Kyle
I deadlift on pull/back day so I feel that conventional is more in line with what I want to accomplish for targeting the pull muscle groups. If I was to deadlift on a leg day, maybe I would go with sumo. At the end of it all, it really shouldn't matter, just fit your goals.
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I deadlift on pull/back day so I feel that conventional is more in line with what I want to accomplish for targeting the pull muscle groups. If I was to deadlift on a leg day, maybe I would go with sumo. At the end of it all, it really shouldn't matter, just fit your goals.
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RIP
I like Bromley's perspective, the sumo dead-lift is too similar to the squat is muscle engagement to be tested the same as a conventional deadlift, and therefore shortchanges the Hip Hinge test of strength in favor of more knee flexion test, creating redundancy.
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I like Bromley's perspective, the sumo dead-lift is too similar to the squat is muscle engagement to be tested the same as a conventional deadlift, and therefore shortchanges the Hip Hinge test of strength in favor of more knee flexion test, creating redundancy.
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dutchanimal010
I never really thought of it in terms of is sumo cheating but more of is sumo with feet as wide as possible cheating. We've all seen that person who places feet so wide they're darn near touching the plates in order to reduce ROM.
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I never really thought of it in terms of is sumo cheating but more of is sumo with feet as wide as possible cheating. We've all seen that person who places feet so wide they're darn near touching the plates in order to reduce ROM.
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