You Need To Train HARDER My Response to Critics Of My Training Style
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Date: 2019-12-21
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xdarkvoidx9
In terms of failure I honestly believe that training to failure is not always necessary. However it is a tool as Jeff mentioned it in his previous video however the program must consider that variable and accommodate for recovery. Also failure may be defined differently to different people. Some consider technique failure, some look more into concentric failure and so on. These may even vary among exercise to include more factors that contribute to muscle growth the bench press for example some may use technique failure in which they stop when there is form breakdown whereas say a cable curl they stop when they can't do a single rep. I guess there are so many factors that fundamentally contribute to the volume- intensity debate that having a blanket statement of always train to failure or never train to failure and always train for high volume is problematic
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In terms of failure I honestly believe that training to failure is not always necessary. However it is a tool as Jeff mentioned it in his previous video however the program must consider that variable and accommodate for recovery. Also failure may be defined differently to different people. Some consider technique failure, some look more into concentric failure and so on. These may even vary among exercise to include more factors that contribute to muscle growth the bench press for example some may use technique failure in which they stop when there is form breakdown whereas say a cable curl they stop when they can't do a single rep. I guess there are so many factors that fundamentally contribute to the volume- intensity debate that having a blanket statement of always train to failure or never train to failure and always train for high volume is problematic
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Azul Simmons
Did anyone besides Greg Doucette think you were training like a pussy? I never thought that myself. How are you supposed to train on video? Look like you're killing yourself with your face red and eyes bulging? I didn't get what Greg was talking about. I train in a similar fashion. I have a goal in mind when I hit the gym. If I hit the goal, the workout is done. Period. I build the program to increase as I progress from week to week. I don't train all out in the gym like that. It has never been a good way to progress since I started. You want to progress, make a plan and stick to it. If someone else wants to go to failure or near failure every time, let them kill themselves and get injured. I've already had my injuries. I'm trying to avoid surgery and total body destruction while making progress, not prove I'm not a pussy by some other guy's standards.
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Did anyone besides Greg Doucette think you were training like a pussy? I never thought that myself. How are you supposed to train on video? Look like you're killing yourself with your face red and eyes bulging? I didn't get what Greg was talking about. I train in a similar fashion. I have a goal in mind when I hit the gym. If I hit the goal, the workout is done. Period. I build the program to increase as I progress from week to week. I don't train all out in the gym like that. It has never been a good way to progress since I started. You want to progress, make a plan and stick to it. If someone else wants to go to failure or near failure every time, let them kill themselves and get injured. I've already had my injuries. I'm trying to avoid surgery and total body destruction while making progress, not prove I'm not a pussy by some other guy's standards.
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Louis Plummer
great video. I feel like the argument that you should always be training to failure is ignorant, of course you should give your training maximal effort, but that doesn't mean you should let your body collapse in on itself to get 1 or 2 more reps. People act like going to failure is an easy to discern thing, but it isn't really? You know that guy you see doing cable flyes, he starts the set fine but finishes leaning his whole torso over looking like a question mark and flapping his arms back and forward just to feel like he got those final reps. You could argue, well yes but that guy wasn't using proper technique, you want to get to failure while still using good technique- but isn't that kind of what Jeff is saying? Those final reps you manage to get out with terrible form, would they not count as the RIR?
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great video. I feel like the argument that you should always be training to failure is ignorant, of course you should give your training maximal effort, but that doesn't mean you should let your body collapse in on itself to get 1 or 2 more reps. People act like going to failure is an easy to discern thing, but it isn't really? You know that guy you see doing cable flyes, he starts the set fine but finishes leaning his whole torso over looking like a question mark and flapping his arms back and forward just to feel like he got those final reps. You could argue, well yes but that guy wasn't using proper technique, you want to get to failure while still using good technique- but isn't that kind of what Jeff is saying? Those final reps you manage to get out with terrible form, would they not count as the RIR?
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James West
At a certain point, relying so much on best science-based practice becomes an excuse for lazy training. As other have said, much of the research out there is still contradictory. There are worthwhile meta-analysis in certain areas, but Jeff has gotten caught up in using science to rationalize lazy programming. If it was all about using the best science-based workout methods, Jeff would be one of the biggest natural bodybuilders around, but instead he just looks like your average 3-4x/week gym dude. If Jeff was doing lame bro-splits and eating protein powder and pizza, do we really think he would like that much different than he does now?
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At a certain point, relying so much on best science-based practice becomes an excuse for lazy training. As other have said, much of the research out there is still contradictory. There are worthwhile meta-analysis in certain areas, but Jeff has gotten caught up in using science to rationalize lazy programming. If it was all about using the best science-based workout methods, Jeff would be one of the biggest natural bodybuilders around, but instead he just looks like your average 3-4x/week gym dude. If Jeff was doing lame bro-splits and eating protein powder and pizza, do we really think he would like that much different than he does now?
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enZinaty
2: 26 - I mean. There's training to failure and there's that Come on Jeff. I've hit the gym for years, trained with a lot of athletes. I've seen failure. I've seen exhaustion. At 2: 26, you're not even remotely close to failure. I think that's what people are referring to when they say not hard enough. You look like you could grind out 6-8reps with that weight, but you stop at 2. The 'max lifts' you posted a little while ago, looked like RPE7s. The final rep at 2: 26 looks like the first rep of a set of 5 (SPEED. I'm all with you on risk vs reward, but I don't think you'd risk injury by doing 1-2 reps more on that weight
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2: 26 - I mean. There's training to failure and there's that Come on Jeff. I've hit the gym for years, trained with a lot of athletes. I've seen failure. I've seen exhaustion. At 2: 26, you're not even remotely close to failure. I think that's what people are referring to when they say not hard enough. You look like you could grind out 6-8reps with that weight, but you stop at 2. The 'max lifts' you posted a little while ago, looked like RPE7s. The final rep at 2: 26 looks like the first rep of a set of 5 (SPEED. I'm all with you on risk vs reward, but I don't think you'd risk injury by doing 1-2 reps more on that weight
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Guanzhong Liang
love your humility but setting that apart, ur study about leg extensions is kinda generic and it seems more like ur taking just what benefits ur argument. if u wanna really debate gregs theory, then use full statistics and well if the subjects who were in that study says that most of them were amateur. then it again supports gregs theory and current mr olympia's training methods. u might be a nice guy, but just dont spread misinformation just because you dont want to look like u wronged there. after all, they have also trained for a very long time as natural atheltes as well.
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love your humility but setting that apart, ur study about leg extensions is kinda generic and it seems more like ur taking just what benefits ur argument. if u wanna really debate gregs theory, then use full statistics and well if the subjects who were in that study says that most of them were amateur. then it again supports gregs theory and current mr olympia's training methods. u might be a nice guy, but just dont spread misinformation just because you dont want to look like u wronged there. after all, they have also trained for a very long time as natural atheltes as well.
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YC Aesthetics
Id love to see a video about gut health which I cant find anything about. Im aware of certain foods being less helpfull for a healthy gut, however I notice lately when increasing calories it just gets worse it seems. Im currently at 4500 calories a day (eating the same foods for multiple weeks) and simply dont gain, while every time i up my cals my gut seems to get more irritated & there isnt really alot of info i can find about this. So id find that interesting to see in the future perhabs
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Id love to see a video about gut health which I cant find anything about. Im aware of certain foods being less helpfull for a healthy gut, however I notice lately when increasing calories it just gets worse it seems. Im currently at 4500 calories a day (eating the same foods for multiple weeks) and simply dont gain, while every time i up my cals my gut seems to get more irritated & there isnt really alot of info i can find about this. So id find that interesting to see in the future perhabs
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Joe Schmo
Meh. Going to true physical failure isn't always easy. If you make it a goal, you'll probably still be quitting some of your higher rep and more painful sets before true failure. On the other hand, going in with the intention of leaving a couple reps in the tank can easily lead to creeping laziness. It's just human nature. If you go in the gym intending to go hard as hell, you're probably only going hard as heck most times. Setting your sights low is generally a mistake.
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Meh. Going to true physical failure isn't always easy. If you make it a goal, you'll probably still be quitting some of your higher rep and more painful sets before true failure. On the other hand, going in with the intention of leaving a couple reps in the tank can easily lead to creeping laziness. It's just human nature. If you go in the gym intending to go hard as hell, you're probably only going hard as heck most times. Setting your sights low is generally a mistake.
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John Weeks
Great video as always Jeff. I have followed yourself and The other Jeff for years, and for some time now Im finding your videos far more applicable to my training. I love your science applied videos, I think theyre great, been doing the push pull legs split for a while now, been working really well, just got your upper lower 3x per week which I plan on starting in January. Would love to see a video on top pro natural bodybuilders
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Great video as always Jeff. I have followed yourself and The other Jeff for years, and for some time now Im finding your videos far more applicable to my training. I love your science applied videos, I think theyre great, been doing the push pull legs split for a while now, been working really well, just got your upper lower 3x per week which I plan on starting in January. Would love to see a video on top pro natural bodybuilders
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