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Tesla Model 3 Performance Twice The Motors Twice The Fun

Tesla Model 3 Performance Twice The Motors Twice The Fun

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Our last look at the Model 3 focused just on the 35, 000 base model, this time we got our hands on the top-end Model 3 Dual Motor Performance. With 0-60 scores of 3. 3 seconds, and all the options Tesla offers, this is the direct competitor to the 340i, C43 AMG and other high performance luxury sedans. Is it right for you? Lets find out
Date: 2019-05-30

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ChevyVolt vs. Tesla Which one uses more fossil fuelChevy Voltuses less gas than Tesla, Nissan Leaf or Chevy BoltThestate of California gives a larger rebate to Tesla owners than toChevy Volt owners because the Tesla is a Zero Emission car. Inreality the Chevy Volt is closer to zero emission than the Tesla. This may not make sense to you so please read on to see my reasoning. As an owner of three different Chevy Volts Plug in electric / gashybrid cars since 2011, I can affirm you that my experience withthose three cars and my experience with the Chevy Volt is that theyuse much less fossil fuel (Gas) than Tesla, Nissan leaf or ChevyBolt. This may sound as an absurd statement but if you let me explainto you why, then it may make more sense, When a person owns an allelectric car (Tesla, Leaf, Bolt) it is never a primary car. The ownermust own a second car as the primary car. This is usually a regulargas car that in the long run it uses much more fossil fuel than aChevy Volt. In other words the total fossil fuel usage for thishousehold is much more than that for a person who owns a Chevy Volt. The Chevy Volt for this household is the primary car (no range limit)and there is no need for a second (more long distant) reliable car. Also should note the environmental impact of owning two cars over onecar which would include parts that needs to be replaced and thoseused parts will eventually end in the dump, 4 additional rubber tiresto care for, oil changes, transmission oil, brake pads, tune ups, cost for the additional insurance etc. As soon as a person purchasesan all electric car he develops a (RAD) range anxiety disorder, it isa disease I invented in my head to explain to you how a new owner ofan all electric car starts to thinks shortly after purchasing the car( sort of similar to buying a Boat: as the saying goes: the twohappiest days in a mans life is the day he buys a Boat and the dayhe sells it. Most of the general public (even most owners of theChevy Volt) are not aware of this RAD. Some one may defend theAll-Electric cars by saying that you only worry about range whentaking a an extended trip. Few trips to the store, work, exercisegym, movie, picking up kids at school, slight extended trip on ahilly drive all those can suddenly and unexpectedly use up the chargeleaving you stranded. Sometimes a 300 miles remaining range canunexpectedly turn to 150 miles because of the terrain or coldweather. When an owner of a Chevy Volt travels any distant he or shewill always be going from point A to point B. When an owner of aTesla, Leaf, Bolt travel any distance that is close to the 50% rangeof the cars battery capacity or more, he or she no longer cantravel from point A to point B. It will always will be point A topoint C. The reason is point B will HAVE TO BE a stop to use someform of a commercial charger thus diverting from A to B path (traveldistance increased so is the fossil fuel usage) and the commercialcharger uses of (fossil fuel) to charge the car. Example if a Teslaowner lives in Pasadena, Ca. wants to visit relatives in San Diego, Ca. This Tesla owner will be very apprehensive that his or her carmy not make the round trip and they could get stranded somewhere inbetween putting their life on the line. They have to stop at someTesla charging station in between to get the Tesla charged or thebattery switched while the relative who lives in San Diego will usetheir gas guzzling (fossil fuel) car to pick them up at the Teslacharging station to bring them to their house and when they are donevisiting, this relative will have to take them back to the chargingstation using the same gas guzzling car, that is four trips. Whenowners of an All-Electric car taking any extended trip they must beon their toes learning and knowing the whole network that they canuse to recharge their car (Point B to point C. If those chargestations are busy charging other cars then they must wait possiblybuying foods and drinks (that used fossil fuel to make, and producemore trash to fill landfills. If the car is completely dischargedthen they will have to stay at a hotel overnight, because those All-Electric cars can take as much as 18 hours to fully recharge. Boythink about the amount of fossil fuel used to keep a person in ahotel overnight, electricity to operate AC / Heater, watching TV, hair drying, washing sheets and towels, laundry, food and the trashgenerated by such a one night stay. They also will need some form oftransportation from the charging station to the hotel and back (morefossil fuel. Those All-Electric car companies may use sells gimmickslike DC charging where you can get quick charging in a short periodof time. I say nonsense, you have to find a charging station withsuch a DC charging capability and hopefully there is nobody elseahead of you waiting to use it. Some people might thing in the backof their head that some hotels may have a one or two charging stationfor customers to use, I can guarantee you that those charging stationwill charge you an arm & a leg (more direct and indirect fossilfuel use) before you charge your car. In other word they: CHARGE LOTSOF MONEY TO CHARGE YOUR CAR. My experience with hotels chargers isthat they either dont work or you can not charge your car with them(Tesla requires a special charger. If Tesla owners think that theycan knock on peoples doors and ask the owners if they would allowthem to use their electrical outlet in their garage to charge theircar while they are sitting in their car, they better think again. Itis not only unpractical, not workable and damn right dangerous. Insome areas around the country if you knock on peoples door torecharge your car then you could end up on some TV true crime show. Thehybrid battery on the Volt is expensive but it is a lot moreexpensive on the Tesla, Leaf & bolt. When the battery capacity onthe Volt reaches zero (I dont know of any volt that has reached thislevel yet) then you have on your hand a gas only car that gets about42 MPG with minimal maintenance and 100% torque. When the battery onthe Tesla, Leaf or Bolt reaches zero, and because the batteryreplacement is very expensive, then you have on your hand a car thatis not working and is being sold for parts only. WhenI was a child my father told me the following saying Good healthis like a crown on the heads of healthy people, only sick people cansee. Chevy Volts drivers wear a crown (No Range Anxiety Disorder)only owners of Tesla, Leaf & Bolt drivers can see this crown. Thestate of California calls those all electric cars as ZeroEmission while in fact they either directly or indirectly use moregas than the Chevy Volt. The Chevy Volt should be the car that getsthe White pool lane sticker and should get more state rebate than theTesla. People who have never owned a Chevy Volt have no idea howlittle gas it uses. Over the past almost 8 years of using my ChevyVolts most of the times I can not even remember the last time Ipurchased gas. Chevy Volt is also a great maintenance free car, I canwrite a real long article about all the benefits of owning a ChevyVolt but not this time. Had GM added a gas generator in the ChevyBolt the same size as the gas generator in the Chevy Volt then theChevy Bolt would have become (BVOLT) and would have become thegreatest selling car in the world. Even if I lived in an apartmentbuilding with no electric outlets in the parking section I will stillpurchase a Chevy Volt to use it as a gas only car. On gas only, without ever being plugged in for charging, it gets more than 40miles per gallon. This mileage combined with almost no maintenanceand the incredible torque this car has, makes this car better thanthe gas cars made by Honda, Toyota, Nissan combined. The 100%electric drive makes the main function of the gas engine is to chargethe battery or run the electric motor. This means this gas engine isunder no stress to propel the car which make this engine run underlittle mechanical degradation, which means it can easily run half amillion to one million miles without much of a problems. Untilsomeone makes an All-Electric car that is powered by asuper-capacitor (or other means) that can be fully charged in minutesAND those charging facilities are present at all gas stations, thenAll-Electric cars are not Zero Emission and not even close tobeing the lowest emission cars on the market. Super-capacitor cars Ido not envision to be around anytime soon and until such a carbecomes a reality then I say to the whole world that is watching: The Emperors New Clothes, he hasnt got anything on. Toall the auto industry CEOs with visions, missions of a ZeroEmission cars: the jig is up because it is not in theAll-Electric cars. The Volt has the lowest emission of most if notall (including All-Electric) cars. Owner of 3 Chevy Volts for 8 years
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Ive come from a Toyota hybrid to the Model 3. Im used to hypermile style driving so find getting the rated range out of the 3 to be pretty easy. Of course, its no fun that way, and electricity is relatively cheap and pollution-free, where I am at least. Getting the most out of an EV is a lot easier than a hybrid. In the hybrid, keeping the ICE off was the goal, and when on putting it in its efficiency zone. In a pure EV I think the parallel is IR losses, so keeping current low is the goal. Apart from that the other sources of energy loss are similar. I find gentle acceleration to keep current low (unlike in a hybrid with engine on, low speed and high tyre pressure are the easily controlled variables. Wet and/or cold conditions means the car is having to waste power pushing stationary water up to speed, continuously, and is hitting more air for the same frontal area than on a hot day. The only way to compensate for this is again, speed. Other losses in the Model 3 include battery internal resistance (which can be somewhat controlled, controller inefficiencies (from electrical resistance to waveform outputs that are not optimal, motors inefficiencies (making heat instead of torque, and losses in the gearing (step down and differential. I think Tesla can improve on a lot of this. Perhaps removing the differential and using four motors, with two optimized for high speed, and two able to disengage and spin down, or possibly all able to disengage depending on conditions. On dry straight roads running a single motor out of four might be most efficient (rear of course, with asymmetric thrust accounted for. Tesla could also apply their machine learning to the controller-motor complex and come up with unintuitive waveforms. They could incorporate ultra-capacitors at various stages to reduce energy conversion losses. I think active control of tyre air pressure could help, where the car determines optimal settings. Regenerative suspension (converts up/down into rotation of a small motor. This would have the added advantage of not wearing out plus have a huge effect on active damping. Of course getting rid of side mirrors. Autonomous drafting behind other Tesla cars at close proximity (the computers would mesh to increase accuracy, sharing data. Well, the list goes on. I can think of many more ways to optimize efficiency, but at some point the returns are diminishing. At least Tesla is nibbling away at the lowest hanging fruit and still keeping the car compelling.
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No words on the Vampire-load losses of the model-3 just sitting, but using either 10-miles-of range-equivalence per day and about 70 miles-of-range-equivalence per-week in low-stand-by no update-internet-connectionpower mode, and apparently a full 22 miles/day and 154 miles per week LOST just sitting there with Internet-linkon to receive another (precious) update? With such remarkable stand-by losses and NO OFF-SWITCH, how often will you deep-discharge the battery by accident to thusseriously reduce its life-expectancy. Putting the car away for that serious surgery and recovery, or just a longer trip awaywithout constant feeding it substantial electricity seems a sure-fire way to cut your batterys overall life. Forget about parking her in the barn for the winter with no spinning meter in sight. Every barn-find TESLA will apparently be a thoroughly ruined one as well. And that after just one season locked away under a fine hand-stitched cover. Even with that constant IV-drip going, what would be ecological in losing this much energy by the car just sitting?
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Nice piece. A comment. while you say that this car does not compete against an M3 or M4 or similar Mercedes/Audi products, the fact is that this car is faster than any of those cars both in straight line and on the track. (its been tested by others who have confirmed this to be the case) As a likely buyer of one of these cars I would look at the Model 3 as a faster, better handling, far more efficient and more reliable (sorry, have had a lot of experience with German cars) alternative to an M3/4. As for range, again, these cars have been extensively tested by others with the conclusion being that under normal conditions they achieve their EPA range ratings. Not sure why your testing resulted in less range.
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Nice video. One thing Im confused on is why this isnt quite at the full M or AMG performance level when the 0-60 crushes both of those cars? Ive also seen various track laps, depending on the circuit, where the P3D beats both of them as well. One other thing I think most of the car review guys need to start doing when they compare prices for EV vs. gas is the cost to fuel. If youre talking about comparing a 60k EV vs a 60k gas car, I think its more fair to really chop off 5-7kk off the top because the operating costs are so much lower on the EV. Between lower fuel and less maintenance, its not an apples to apples comparison just shopping the sticker price.
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What pisses me off is the Tesla haters always spouting shit car quality, they will go bankrupt BS. Everyone who says that has experienced a check engine light, heavy servicing, and much more. You mean BMW doesnt have transmission problems/failures/defects? How any cars have crazy recalls? They say HORRIBLE build quality and quality ISSUES on a Tesla as if my transmission on my Tesla can fail with a check engine light. Dude, i would take slight Millimeter off panel gap alignment over ANY gasoline car problem any day. Nobody walks around saying my Bentley or Lamborghini is shit because one time i took it to service for a problem that came up again. gtfo
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I think once you get in a car and learn its shifting habits (manuals do not apply) you will be able to anticipate when to put your foot down to get the power and the shift when you need it. I drive a 4 speed buick lesabre and I know exactly when it is going to shift and what gear its going to shift into, and i can subconsciously drive it hard without issue. I could see how its a major selling factor to have the immediate response, due to the WOW factor when they first get in it, but once you hit around 1000-1500 miles in said car you will realize, while more responsive, it isnt all that more amazing than a gas engine with a trans.
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Range is affected by many factors: temperatures, the slope of the roads, dry/wet conditions, winds, tire pressure. Driving on wet roads in a 50 day certainly reduce range, same as driving into head winds or up the mountains. In other YouTube videos that I have watched about Teslas and the Model 3s in particular, the range is pretty much spot on as predicted. My model S behaves the same way. Not sure which combination of factors you faced gave you that poor range, but its certainly explainable. In a different set of circumstances, Im sure this Teslas range will be as predicted.
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Electrical engineering niggle: Electrons dont flow at the speed of light. The speed of electrons in a wire is dependent on the amps and the cross section of the wire. Typical values are below one millimeter per second. Just goes to show how awesomely powerful electromagnetic forces are. As for is a roadtrip going to take longer? : Not necessarily. If youre the type of guy that takes a break (for food or just to relax) every few hunderd miles then the charging time doesnt affect the overall travel time.
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Cadillac SuperCruise may be good than Autopilot, but it will remain stagnant, they cant scale up as Tesla can. Tesla has 24/7 Internet connection and carefully crafted triggers that will be sent to the Tesla mothership to tune the cars. Supercruise will game the driving system unlike Teslas general solution of driving anywhere with Autopilot. The upcoming custom chip combined with the HW3 will exponentially outpace their competition because it can drive anywhere anytime
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