Another Customer That Needs A Brake! - Having A Look
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Date: 2024-12-17
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andycalabro5418
I replaced the parking brake shoes on a 2007 Wrangler Jk. The double springs are not easy to put on. The original Mopar springs measured 5. 25: inches in length. The replacement spring with any of the replacement kits, measure 4. 25 inches, making it more difficult to stretch. I bought a Mopar spring kit; they measured 5 inches. I used the Mopar kit springs, but almost used the old springs, since they were not rusted. I did this without pulling the axel. I had 113 thousand miles on the original shoes, they were missing most of the shoe material. I bought this Jeep used. Someone over adjusted the shoes. The other side was good and not worn. You have to adjust the brake shoes before you attach the caliper. The engineer who designed this, should go back to school, especially with the double springs. Amazingly the Jeep Manual showed one spring. Go figure. Not an easy job.
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I replaced the parking brake shoes on a 2007 Wrangler Jk. The double springs are not easy to put on. The original Mopar springs measured 5. 25: inches in length. The replacement spring with any of the replacement kits, measure 4. 25 inches, making it more difficult to stretch. I bought a Mopar spring kit; they measured 5 inches. I used the Mopar kit springs, but almost used the old springs, since they were not rusted. I did this without pulling the axel. I had 113 thousand miles on the original shoes, they were missing most of the shoe material. I bought this Jeep used. Someone over adjusted the shoes. The other side was good and not worn. You have to adjust the brake shoes before you attach the caliper. The engineer who designed this, should go back to school, especially with the double springs. Amazingly the Jeep Manual showed one spring. Go figure. Not an easy job.
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midnightrunner684
My Dad had a 1972 Pontiac Catalina back in the mid 1970's. We lived in the rust belt in northeast Ohio and the E-Brake cable was rotted out. Everything else on the car passed inspection except that brake cable. car failed. Dad drove it home and got his welder out and welded a piece of angle iron onto the e-brake foot peddle and had it running over to the cars regular foot brake so that when you stepped dow on the e-brake. that bar pushed down on regular brakes. Then he cut the wire for the brake lights and put a toggle switch under the dash so that when they had him step on the e-brake. The brake lights didn't come on. Dad drove it back for inspection and they had him atep on the e-brake and put the car in gear. well with the e-brake engaged the car didn't move. They passed him and he got his sticker. Dad got creative with those old rotted out cars we had in Ohio
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My Dad had a 1972 Pontiac Catalina back in the mid 1970's. We lived in the rust belt in northeast Ohio and the E-Brake cable was rotted out. Everything else on the car passed inspection except that brake cable. car failed. Dad drove it home and got his welder out and welded a piece of angle iron onto the e-brake foot peddle and had it running over to the cars regular foot brake so that when you stepped dow on the e-brake. that bar pushed down on regular brakes. Then he cut the wire for the brake lights and put a toggle switch under the dash so that when they had him step on the e-brake. The brake lights didn't come on. Dad drove it back for inspection and they had him atep on the e-brake and put the car in gear. well with the e-brake engaged the car didn't move. They passed him and he got his sticker. Dad got creative with those old rotted out cars we had in Ohio
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earlribaudo4807
Every one wants to be a back yard mechanic, UNTIL they figure they can not do it. lol Then they bring all the old crap and new parts to some one who actually knows how to do it, like a certified mechanic with help written all over their face, red face. When I wrenched, in the sixties, seventies, and eighties, there were no diy'ers, some back yard mechanics, but they usually new what they were doing, most of them. But I would never install other peoples parts. Can't and wont warranty them and also also asked if they owned a restaurant if I could bring my own steak and potatoes and salad and if they would prepare it for me, they would laugh, but I said have a nice day and show them out. I hope Eric goes by the book and sticks it to this idiot. He said go ahead and fix it, two new backing plates, thank you.
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Every one wants to be a back yard mechanic, UNTIL they figure they can not do it. lol Then they bring all the old crap and new parts to some one who actually knows how to do it, like a certified mechanic with help written all over their face, red face. When I wrenched, in the sixties, seventies, and eighties, there were no diy'ers, some back yard mechanics, but they usually new what they were doing, most of them. But I would never install other peoples parts. Can't and wont warranty them and also also asked if they owned a restaurant if I could bring my own steak and potatoes and salad and if they would prepare it for me, they would laugh, but I said have a nice day and show them out. I hope Eric goes by the book and sticks it to this idiot. He said go ahead and fix it, two new backing plates, thank you.
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thewayidoit8895
47 years ago my uncle had a bad axle seal on his F150. To fix the seal, the bearing had to go. I replaced it but for some reason I can't remember, I made a mistake and the bearing had to come back off. This meant a new bearing again. When he asked the fee I told him $50 plus the bearing & seal which was the cost I was into parts. He wasn't happy and I made $0. ($100 to get a new seal in 1978 was A LOT. Oh, Eric, you are NOT an asshole. Just wish I'd see the PFC I sent you. Guess you gave it to your boy Josh to use on alignment jobs.
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47 years ago my uncle had a bad axle seal on his F150. To fix the seal, the bearing had to go. I replaced it but for some reason I can't remember, I made a mistake and the bearing had to come back off. This meant a new bearing again. When he asked the fee I told him $50 plus the bearing & seal which was the cost I was into parts. He wasn't happy and I made $0. ($100 to get a new seal in 1978 was A LOT. Oh, Eric, you are NOT an asshole. Just wish I'd see the PFC I sent you. Guess you gave it to your boy Josh to use on alignment jobs.
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randybeard6040
My neighbor is a Retired Dealer Mechanic of 35 years working on GM and Toyota Vehicles but got bored and opened a shop next door to my property. He has got to the point that he hates to see a Newer Jeep come in--he told our neighbor to quit bring in his PT Cruiser because it is so hard to work on and a pc of crap. People will bring in their Vehicle for one thing when 5 other problems exist that need Repaired, I just want this One Tie Rod Replaced, not both. Like most Mechanics, things like Tie Rod Ends need to be Replaced in Pairs.
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My neighbor is a Retired Dealer Mechanic of 35 years working on GM and Toyota Vehicles but got bored and opened a shop next door to my property. He has got to the point that he hates to see a Newer Jeep come in--he told our neighbor to quit bring in his PT Cruiser because it is so hard to work on and a pc of crap. People will bring in their Vehicle for one thing when 5 other problems exist that need Repaired, I just want this One Tie Rod Replaced, not both. Like most Mechanics, things like Tie Rod Ends need to be Replaced in Pairs.
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spelunkerd
At an inspection done by our Province years ago I was told the axle seal is a critical safety repair that needs to be done even if the leak is miniscule. So, I'm a little surprised that New York doesn't care. After all, gear oil slung onto brake rotors, calipers, and parking brake hardware will affect braking. I'm so happy to see we get to watch you do this one! It's a goofy design that requires the axle removal just to replace parking brake hardware.
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At an inspection done by our Province years ago I was told the axle seal is a critical safety repair that needs to be done even if the leak is miniscule. So, I'm a little surprised that New York doesn't care. After all, gear oil slung onto brake rotors, calipers, and parking brake hardware will affect braking. I'm so happy to see we get to watch you do this one! It's a goofy design that requires the axle removal just to replace parking brake hardware.
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rickwoods5384
I suspect the backing plate was bent while removing the rotor, which was likely hung up on the parking brake shoes. It can be difficult to loosen the adjuster to collapse the shoes enough to get past a ridge in the drum. Swearing takes place, and a bfh and/or long pry bars are used to extract said rotor. The backing plate is a convenient item to pry against and can also take an errant hammer blow, resulting in more swearing. Ask me how I know!
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I suspect the backing plate was bent while removing the rotor, which was likely hung up on the parking brake shoes. It can be difficult to loosen the adjuster to collapse the shoes enough to get past a ridge in the drum. Swearing takes place, and a bfh and/or long pry bars are used to extract said rotor. The backing plate is a convenient item to pry against and can also take an errant hammer blow, resulting in more swearing. Ask me how I know!
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TStheDeplorable
Anyone have a fix for this I put in new parking brake cables on my 2002 Silverado. They are the enclosed type. I let a friend use the truck for a year, and being a woman she never applied the parking brake and it seems that the cable has rusted inside the casing and it won't move. We don't have salt roads here. Any suggestions on how I can brake this thing loose so it works again I pulled as hard as I could and nothing.
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Anyone have a fix for this I put in new parking brake cables on my 2002 Silverado. They are the enclosed type. I let a friend use the truck for a year, and being a woman she never applied the parking brake and it seems that the cable has rusted inside the casing and it won't move. We don't have salt roads here. Any suggestions on how I can brake this thing loose so it works again I pulled as hard as I could and nothing.
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AKJeeper
That double spring setup they use sucks! I've been trying to capture how to do this w/o pulling the axle shaft on video for a while now, but every single time it deteriorated into filling up the swear jar and getting frustrated with the camera being in my way. Long story short, I've never captured enough good footage of the process to make a video on it. Looking forward to part 2 of your video!
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That double spring setup they use sucks! I've been trying to capture how to do this w/o pulling the axle shaft on video for a while now, but every single time it deteriorated into filling up the swear jar and getting frustrated with the camera being in my way. Long story short, I've never captured enough good footage of the process to make a video on it. Looking forward to part 2 of your video!
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brnmcc01
Smart way to do it, both of those axle seals are on their way out anyway, if neglected all that fluid is just going to eventually get everything greasy and he will no longer have any rear brakes. Also I've found in the past, if gear oil is making it that far, the bearings aren't very good either, because a new bearing will hold back that gear oil for awhile too, even with a borderline axle seal.
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Smart way to do it, both of those axle seals are on their way out anyway, if neglected all that fluid is just going to eventually get everything greasy and he will no longer have any rear brakes. Also I've found in the past, if gear oil is making it that far, the bearings aren't very good either, because a new bearing will hold back that gear oil for awhile too, even with a borderline axle seal.
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Mag_Aoidh
I had a 97 TJ and I can’t tell you how many times I had to work on that thing. EVERYTIME I fixed something another thing would pop up. Luckily it wasn’t a daily driver so I could sit on it until I was ready, but I laugh every time I see someone driving down the road. I have absolutely never had to work on a vehicle as much as I did that one.
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I had a 97 TJ and I can’t tell you how many times I had to work on that thing. EVERYTIME I fixed something another thing would pop up. Luckily it wasn’t a daily driver so I could sit on it until I was ready, but I laugh every time I see someone driving down the road. I have absolutely never had to work on a vehicle as much as I did that one.
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charlesrusso9531
This is the way I do them:
Crown Automotive 52125175AA: Brake Backing Plate Assembly | 2007-2018 Jeep Wrangler JK
Dana Spicer 2004449-1 Rear Axle Shaft Fits Jeep Wrangler JK (check application)
Living in the northeast, I find the axle seal surface gets rust pitted. So, replacing the seal, for all the work, can be a gamble.
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This is the way I do them:
Crown Automotive 52125175AA: Brake Backing Plate Assembly | 2007-2018 Jeep Wrangler JK
Dana Spicer 2004449-1 Rear Axle Shaft Fits Jeep Wrangler JK (check application)
Living in the northeast, I find the axle seal surface gets rust pitted. So, replacing the seal, for all the work, can be a gamble.
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CedroCron
It's always the while you are in there stuff that costs. It is what it is, and it looks like this vehicle is looked after for the most part, so if it were mine it would be Get-R-Done Son but then again I don't know what kind of financial hell these folks might be in. Always a story! Thanks Eric. Looking forward to the next part.
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It's always the while you are in there stuff that costs. It is what it is, and it looks like this vehicle is looked after for the most part, so if it were mine it would be Get-R-Done Son but then again I don't know what kind of financial hell these folks might be in. Always a story! Thanks Eric. Looking forward to the next part.
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duaneb193
I loved the comment about hitting the sensor with a hammer in a pissed off fit of rage. Been there with other things, so done that (sometimes good, sometimes bad. Had an Aircraft Mechanic buddy launch a wrench across a hangar under those circumstances once (no one hit, but sure woke up a few on the other side of the hangar)
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I loved the comment about hitting the sensor with a hammer in a pissed off fit of rage. Been there with other things, so done that (sometimes good, sometimes bad. Had an Aircraft Mechanic buddy launch a wrench across a hangar under those circumstances once (no one hit, but sure woke up a few on the other side of the hangar)
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mikechiodetti4482
On to part 2. Your right Mr. O. When the rear axle seals leaked on my 06 Nissan Frontier, I got OEM bearings, seals, and whatever else was in the picture. The leak was because the axles were pulled to install the ARB Air Locker and seals were not replaced. The new parts solved the problem.
Fun and games.
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On to part 2. Your right Mr. O. When the rear axle seals leaked on my 06 Nissan Frontier, I got OEM bearings, seals, and whatever else was in the picture. The leak was because the axles were pulled to install the ARB Air Locker and seals were not replaced. The new parts solved the problem.
Fun and games.
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zachadam1724
Mopar tech here, for future reference you can pull the axles and reinstall without replacing the bearings and seals. Also, you can get the OEM backing plates with shoes already assembled which is the way to go when you get it already pre-taken apart or shoes ripped out of the backing plates from rust
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Mopar tech here, for future reference you can pull the axles and reinstall without replacing the bearings and seals. Also, you can get the OEM backing plates with shoes already assembled which is the way to go when you get it already pre-taken apart or shoes ripped out of the backing plates from rust
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mikemaccracken3112
Eric I have seen that bent backing plate a few times before. I had a few new vehicles that had the wheels stolen off of them and they bent the backing plates while resting on cement blocks. The dealer would not replace the backing plates no matter what. Yes the dealer principal was an asshole.
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Eric I have seen that bent backing plate a few times before. I had a few new vehicles that had the wheels stolen off of them and they bent the backing plates while resting on cement blocks. The dealer would not replace the backing plates no matter what. Yes the dealer principal was an asshole.
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Oh_that_guy
Reminds me of day when my neighbour asked me to put rotors and pads on the rear of a Ram 1500 classic. Well I can tell you how those tinfoil backing plates can bend by just looking at them. The swear jar was over flowing that day. I would never do them again especially for a beer.
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Reminds me of day when my neighbour asked me to put rotors and pads on the rear of a Ram 1500 classic. Well I can tell you how those tinfoil backing plates can bend by just looking at them. The swear jar was over flowing that day. I would never do them again especially for a beer.
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CraigGrant-sh3in
Jeep engineers. We can't figure out why the company is going bankrupt. Jeep engineers. We didn't put a lot of thought into the brakes because we figure the vehicle will be broken down most of the time. My niece has a 2021 Jeep. She parks it at the dealership most nights
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Jeep engineers. We can't figure out why the company is going bankrupt. Jeep engineers. We didn't put a lot of thought into the brakes because we figure the vehicle will be broken down most of the time. My niece has a 2021 Jeep. She parks it at the dealership most nights
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keeperofthegood
The good shape that vehicle is in, I'd say the customer is one of those who know that when it 'gets to a point' there is no point being picky, take it down to base and rebuild! A little more upfront but when you leave, you leave for a few years not a few months: )
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The good shape that vehicle is in, I'd say the customer is one of those who know that when it 'gets to a point' there is no point being picky, take it down to base and rebuild! A little more upfront but when you leave, you leave for a few years not a few months: )
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