Eric O. Unloads The Parts Cannon!
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Date: 2022-07-30
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John
Well, on a 2003 Mazda Protege 5 with the NA, 16V, none variable FSDE motor, I have the dreaded P0455, which I saw last Sept or Oct, and there may have been 2 others that I didn't see then, but a couple of months ago, saw the 2 others, a P0090, and a P0660, all related? I know 2 of them (the 090, and 0660) are supposedly in the engine bay if memory serves. All this on the Launch Creative V scanner I have.
I can't find out for sure if I actually have a missing fill flap or not in my tank inlet pipe where you stick the hose to fill one's tank as I can't find a clear image of a new one that shows that section of the pipe to know if it's indeed supposed to be there. Only noted it may be missing back in the spring and could have sworn it was there? Anyway, I know about the flap near the tank that is supposed to reduce vapors from escaping.
However, the car runs fine, starts up for the most part quickly, though every so often when doing a cold start, it may crank a second or two longer before starting and may blow bluish smoke for a few seconds upon start up, but again, not always. the money light has been on since last fall and the car runs fine at 195k+ miles on it. BTW, not having any issues when I fill the tank of it starting right off the bat, even when full as I don't top off my tank and lately, it's been 20-ish dollars at a time.
Thankfully, I don't have to deal with rust so this one is still quite solid as I can't afford to replace it outright at the moment.
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Well, on a 2003 Mazda Protege 5 with the NA, 16V, none variable FSDE motor, I have the dreaded P0455, which I saw last Sept or Oct, and there may have been 2 others that I didn't see then, but a couple of months ago, saw the 2 others, a P0090, and a P0660, all related? I know 2 of them (the 090, and 0660) are supposedly in the engine bay if memory serves. All this on the Launch Creative V scanner I have.
I can't find out for sure if I actually have a missing fill flap or not in my tank inlet pipe where you stick the hose to fill one's tank as I can't find a clear image of a new one that shows that section of the pipe to know if it's indeed supposed to be there. Only noted it may be missing back in the spring and could have sworn it was there? Anyway, I know about the flap near the tank that is supposed to reduce vapors from escaping.
However, the car runs fine, starts up for the most part quickly, though every so often when doing a cold start, it may crank a second or two longer before starting and may blow bluish smoke for a few seconds upon start up, but again, not always. the money light has been on since last fall and the car runs fine at 195k+ miles on it. BTW, not having any issues when I fill the tank of it starting right off the bat, even when full as I don't top off my tank and lately, it's been 20-ish dollars at a time.
Thankfully, I don't have to deal with rust so this one is still quite solid as I can't afford to replace it outright at the moment.
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Fix
Engineers of high volume products are more or less forced to shave cents (or fractions of cents) off parts when they can. A 7 mm bolt is probably a little less than an 8 mm bolt. Just look up the sales numbers of this vehicle. From 2013 to 2019 it was selling about 300, 000 units a year. That's roughly 2 million vehicles just in the US. Shaving one cent off a part used once equates to 20, 000 less spent on parts for this generation of Escape. Now think about how many parts are in a car.
There is also a lot of consideration paid to ease of initial assembly, because assembly is expensive.
It all comes down to profit margins and the bottom line. The engineers are trying to balance performance, cost and ease of assembly. Product managers usually don't care about how easy vehicles are to fix so engineers can't make design decisions to allow ease of maintenance. Brakes and oil changes are the typical jobs dealers see and corporate wants those job to be easy, but after the car is out of warranty they don't want it to be easy and inexpensive to fix. They want you to buy a new car.
This is not the engineer's decision.
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Engineers of high volume products are more or less forced to shave cents (or fractions of cents) off parts when they can. A 7 mm bolt is probably a little less than an 8 mm bolt. Just look up the sales numbers of this vehicle. From 2013 to 2019 it was selling about 300, 000 units a year. That's roughly 2 million vehicles just in the US. Shaving one cent off a part used once equates to 20, 000 less spent on parts for this generation of Escape. Now think about how many parts are in a car.
There is also a lot of consideration paid to ease of initial assembly, because assembly is expensive.
It all comes down to profit margins and the bottom line. The engineers are trying to balance performance, cost and ease of assembly. Product managers usually don't care about how easy vehicles are to fix so engineers can't make design decisions to allow ease of maintenance. Brakes and oil changes are the typical jobs dealers see and corporate wants those job to be easy, but after the car is out of warranty they don't want it to be easy and inexpensive to fix. They want you to buy a new car.
This is not the engineer's decision.
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scientist100
We had a customer that had just bought a car. Wanted a full tank so she noticed that the door was noisy when opening and closing. I ordered the lower self retracting hinge. She later said that went to the gas station and said she could not fill it past 25 bucks. I told the sales rep that we will diagnose it when she brings it back but it was unlikely that she could fill that much before it stopped filling as they tend to build back pressure fairly quick. Anyway, I looked st the design and this was for a 2017 jeep grand Cherokee and that thing has a design that involves 4 possible failures, not the conventional stuck shut vent valve. all in all I concluded that the customer just wanted free gas and made up the story that she could only fill that much. We filled it to 30 bucks and no issues.
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We had a customer that had just bought a car. Wanted a full tank so she noticed that the door was noisy when opening and closing. I ordered the lower self retracting hinge. She later said that went to the gas station and said she could not fill it past 25 bucks. I told the sales rep that we will diagnose it when she brings it back but it was unlikely that she could fill that much before it stopped filling as they tend to build back pressure fairly quick. Anyway, I looked st the design and this was for a 2017 jeep grand Cherokee and that thing has a design that involves 4 possible failures, not the conventional stuck shut vent valve. all in all I concluded that the customer just wanted free gas and made up the story that she could only fill that much. We filled it to 30 bucks and no issues.
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Craig
I'm sorry Eric, but I would not even consider working on that sack-o-crap Escape! No way and no how! I probably
would have blown my gasket about 20 minutes into the procedure! After about dinking around with cars for 40 plus
years, I've come to the conclusion that Fords are the absolute pieces of bull dung and I can't stand them because of
the overwhelming engineering nightmares that they present. Not necessarily engineering marvels! My Son's Mustang
hasn't been right since day one, when it was bought brand new. However, It does go like a bat out of hell on steroids'!
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I'm sorry Eric, but I would not even consider working on that sack-o-crap Escape! No way and no how! I probably
would have blown my gasket about 20 minutes into the procedure! After about dinking around with cars for 40 plus
years, I've come to the conclusion that Fords are the absolute pieces of bull dung and I can't stand them because of
the overwhelming engineering nightmares that they present. Not necessarily engineering marvels! My Son's Mustang
hasn't been right since day one, when it was bought brand new. However, It does go like a bat out of hell on steroids'!
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Garth
Darn vehicle designs today all seem to have the van idea for an engine bay. The cowl covers half of the engine making parts toward the rear very difficult to inspect let alone replace or repair.
Vapor recovery systems seem to mostly be unreliable by design and in quality of parts so you would think if the vapors are that important to control that the engineers would make them more rock solid and do what they are supposed to 100% of the time vs. break and vent vapors. This kind of engineering reminds me of a fraudster.
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Darn vehicle designs today all seem to have the van idea for an engine bay. The cowl covers half of the engine making parts toward the rear very difficult to inspect let alone replace or repair.
Vapor recovery systems seem to mostly be unreliable by design and in quality of parts so you would think if the vapors are that important to control that the engineers would make them more rock solid and do what they are supposed to 100% of the time vs. break and vent vapors. This kind of engineering reminds me of a fraudster.
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Mechanical
I went to tech school and didn t end up getting a snap on scanner because of my credit. And the school didn t pay for it into our tuition. So I work without one, and use a cheapo scanner my 07 Impala had the check engine light, codes for lean and gas cap I believe, but what I caught onto was it was hard starting right after filling up, that was the dead giveaway for the purge valve. Swapped it out because it wasn t expensive, and I didn t believe I had electrical issues, fixed it 100%.
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I went to tech school and didn t end up getting a snap on scanner because of my credit. And the school didn t pay for it into our tuition. So I work without one, and use a cheapo scanner my 07 Impala had the check engine light, codes for lean and gas cap I believe, but what I caught onto was it was hard starting right after filling up, that was the dead giveaway for the purge valve. Swapped it out because it wasn t expensive, and I didn t believe I had electrical issues, fixed it 100%.
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Obwan
I had that problem with my 88 mercedes 300SE 3 liter straight 6.
you'd get gas, shut the car off and it wouldnt restart for 30min or so. then it ran fine.
what it turned out being was the crankshaft pisition sensor would heatsoak when the car was off. that messed up the ignition module and it wouldn't fire or fired too weakly to start. no computer on this one, bosch mechanical fuel injection. no codes, only an O2 sensor and lamda adjustment.
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I had that problem with my 88 mercedes 300SE 3 liter straight 6.
you'd get gas, shut the car off and it wouldnt restart for 30min or so. then it ran fine.
what it turned out being was the crankshaft pisition sensor would heatsoak when the car was off. that messed up the ignition module and it wouldn't fire or fired too weakly to start. no computer on this one, bosch mechanical fuel injection. no codes, only an O2 sensor and lamda adjustment.
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Steven
I just dealt with this on my Fiat 500 Abarth. Found a huge hole in the rubber fuel filler vent hose. I couldn't get gas in it either, and had a pending P0441 incorrect purge flow code. Under load it ran totally fine. I unloaded the parts cannon, got the afforementioned hose, purge valve, charcoal canister, and vacuum solenoid. Total cost? About 150 self installed. Problem fixed! Figured I'd get rid of all the possible causes at once.
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I just dealt with this on my Fiat 500 Abarth. Found a huge hole in the rubber fuel filler vent hose. I couldn't get gas in it either, and had a pending P0441 incorrect purge flow code. Under load it ran totally fine. I unloaded the parts cannon, got the afforementioned hose, purge valve, charcoal canister, and vacuum solenoid. Total cost? About 150 self installed. Problem fixed! Figured I'd get rid of all the possible causes at once.
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Buff
Downsized engines w/turbo and the D. I. VVT and all the modern complexity has turned these into short-lived dumpster-fires. Ford literally has a massive recall right now for SUVs with spontaneous combustion even with engine off and crankshaft and valve spring failures.
The few parts my 2002 Focus manual 202k miles has needed I sourced at the wrecking yards. EVAP purge valve and DPFE, only a few dollars 3 years ago.
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Downsized engines w/turbo and the D. I. VVT and all the modern complexity has turned these into short-lived dumpster-fires. Ford literally has a massive recall right now for SUVs with spontaneous combustion even with engine off and crankshaft and valve spring failures.
The few parts my 2002 Focus manual 202k miles has needed I sourced at the wrecking yards. EVAP purge valve and DPFE, only a few dollars 3 years ago.
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Will
I used to love the lifts and hate the pits.
Last place I worked had a few mechanics that would snap everything up, then attempt to cover it up, and then I (or whoever else) would get burned when attempting to fix it next. I very much disliked the whole mechanic career path. Used to tell others that I should have become an outlaw biker, like my high school guidance counselor recommended.
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I used to love the lifts and hate the pits.
Last place I worked had a few mechanics that would snap everything up, then attempt to cover it up, and then I (or whoever else) would get burned when attempting to fix it next. I very much disliked the whole mechanic career path. Used to tell others that I should have become an outlaw biker, like my high school guidance counselor recommended.
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Mark
Go easy on the engineers. Engineers can design anything to be perfect, easy to service and last forever, but the finance guys impose limits, the suppliers want easy to manufacture components, and governments add their rules. I'm much more afraid of the backyard engineer's, that think they know best when it comes to add ons, repairs, or what parts are and aren't important.
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Go easy on the engineers. Engineers can design anything to be perfect, easy to service and last forever, but the finance guys impose limits, the suppliers want easy to manufacture components, and governments add their rules. I'm much more afraid of the backyard engineer's, that think they know best when it comes to add ons, repairs, or what parts are and aren't important.
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T te
I'm old enough that I actually took Polaroid pictures of nightmare scenarios (cough Hondavacuumlines cough. Fortunately, I was much younger and had a pretty good remembery - despite trying diligently to kill off my brain cells nightly. I didn't have to do it often, but it was sure handy when I did.
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I'm old enough that I actually took Polaroid pictures of nightmare scenarios (cough Hondavacuumlines cough. Fortunately, I was much younger and had a pretty good remembery - despite trying diligently to kill off my brain cells nightly. I didn't have to do it often, but it was sure handy when I did.
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Niger
Recently diagnosed a bad vacuum pump that is ran from the cam shaft. When the pump fails it snaps the bolt off into the cam and you have no brake booster. Ford escape is on part with mini for access and time consumption. More money in our pockets I guess. Sucks for the owners of these.
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Recently diagnosed a bad vacuum pump that is ran from the cam shaft. When the pump fails it snaps the bolt off into the cam and you have no brake booster. Ford escape is on part with mini for access and time consumption. More money in our pockets I guess. Sucks for the owners of these.
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cliff
My mother's ex-boyfriend died under a car that's why you do not want to put a vehicle on a lift and you be under it. that is your instinct telling you no. You want to live to see another day don't you? Don't trust anything or anybody and you will live way longer.
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My mother's ex-boyfriend died under a car that's why you do not want to put a vehicle on a lift and you be under it. that is your instinct telling you no. You want to live to see another day don't you? Don't trust anything or anybody and you will live way longer.
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