Started Out As A Repair Video - Mrs. O Shares Her Thoughts On Rust Proofing
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While the C. O. L. A. charts developed by the Government only showed inflation in 2022 to be 8. 8% it seems that nothing else in the USA used that number to base prices and increases. Even Government needs and tax revenue were based on something else vs. the COLA numbers which just happens to be the chart that the Feds use for Social Security payments. All while the citizens are burdened with inflation, the Feds are pushing insanely priced Green ideas that don't yield the value or volumns/supply our current energy does.
Date: 2023-05-17
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Patrick
Nice job.
First off, Mrs O is a genius. People won't even change their oil, which is critical. So, oil sprays? Please. Heh heh! So cute, you think they'll oil spray. Plus, the company with the Z was such a scam, so that kills any belief in the market.
Crown near me was way over 200, for a Tahoe style truck, and there's basically no warranty unless you run back every 30 minutes, and if they say It needs this for another 300 bucks, and you say no, the warranty ends right there on the spot, so. It feels a little scammy. You start to get that sweet whiff of a scam.
So I think you're both right, but I think Mrs O really did put the sledgehammer right on the railroad spike. Or as old golfers used to say, she hit that one right on the screws.
Even if some unimpeachable independent source came out and said yes, this works, we studied it for 10 years, this King Ranch pickup is pristine, despite being driven through Wisconsin snow salt slush ice mix for 10 solid years. And this 2005 Silverado 2500 4x4 work truck was pounded through Eau Claire Winters for it's whole life, it's mint. As Mrs O points out, EVEN WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE, what, maybe 15% of the people would run out & treat their truck? How many people would you really say are in your shop (honestly now) who stick firmly to an oil change schedule of 4000 miles or 6 months, whichever comes first. How many? 15% Maybe?
So yeah, whaddaya gonna do. Also, that won't fix everything. I've had a few Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade style trucks over the years. that tailgate loves to start rusting. So yeah, you can't just spray the bottom with waste oil, like my friend used to. You gotta sit there all day, spray every nook & cranny. and even if you do that, they also love to rust on the roof, by those cargo rack rails, in the insides, where you can't see. So, uhh, good luck treating that. You gonna take that all apart twice a year & blast it? No you're not. Taking that off sucks.
There's really no easy answers. Salt & snow sucks.
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Nice job.
First off, Mrs O is a genius. People won't even change their oil, which is critical. So, oil sprays? Please. Heh heh! So cute, you think they'll oil spray. Plus, the company with the Z was such a scam, so that kills any belief in the market.
Crown near me was way over 200, for a Tahoe style truck, and there's basically no warranty unless you run back every 30 minutes, and if they say It needs this for another 300 bucks, and you say no, the warranty ends right there on the spot, so. It feels a little scammy. You start to get that sweet whiff of a scam.
So I think you're both right, but I think Mrs O really did put the sledgehammer right on the railroad spike. Or as old golfers used to say, she hit that one right on the screws.
Even if some unimpeachable independent source came out and said yes, this works, we studied it for 10 years, this King Ranch pickup is pristine, despite being driven through Wisconsin snow salt slush ice mix for 10 solid years. And this 2005 Silverado 2500 4x4 work truck was pounded through Eau Claire Winters for it's whole life, it's mint. As Mrs O points out, EVEN WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE, what, maybe 15% of the people would run out & treat their truck? How many people would you really say are in your shop (honestly now) who stick firmly to an oil change schedule of 4000 miles or 6 months, whichever comes first. How many? 15% Maybe?
So yeah, whaddaya gonna do. Also, that won't fix everything. I've had a few Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade style trucks over the years. that tailgate loves to start rusting. So yeah, you can't just spray the bottom with waste oil, like my friend used to. You gotta sit there all day, spray every nook & cranny. and even if you do that, they also love to rust on the roof, by those cargo rack rails, in the insides, where you can't see. So, uhh, good luck treating that. You gonna take that all apart twice a year & blast it? No you're not. Taking that off sucks.
There's really no easy answers. Salt & snow sucks.
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Garth
People who only care about getting from point A to point B are the ones who shouldn't own a vehicle and are best using public transportation for their travel needs. Owning a vehicle carries responsibilities and expenses so those who decide to avoid the slow rust process to their large investments desirve every problem that comes from the rust ignorance.
I think it would be best that all of the dealerships have to disclose to buyers, new and used, about the effects of rust and how to control them and mainly I say this because the states use the salt on the roads, they put it there so they should require all vehicle sales to at least include a written notice to their customers so that they are aware.
Just like in many states, when someone passes away and they own real estate and other formally titled property, most of those assests end up in probate court which is likely the worst thing that could happen for an estate. The associated states who use probate in the USA should provide written notices to everyone who purchases land and other assets that have to be notorized to transfer title. The same thing is going on there as it is with the salt issue. for those likely majority of people who simply just are not aware what happens with assets and salt damage if they ignore the matter.
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People who only care about getting from point A to point B are the ones who shouldn't own a vehicle and are best using public transportation for their travel needs. Owning a vehicle carries responsibilities and expenses so those who decide to avoid the slow rust process to their large investments desirve every problem that comes from the rust ignorance.
I think it would be best that all of the dealerships have to disclose to buyers, new and used, about the effects of rust and how to control them and mainly I say this because the states use the salt on the roads, they put it there so they should require all vehicle sales to at least include a written notice to their customers so that they are aware.
Just like in many states, when someone passes away and they own real estate and other formally titled property, most of those assests end up in probate court which is likely the worst thing that could happen for an estate. The associated states who use probate in the USA should provide written notices to everyone who purchases land and other assets that have to be notorized to transfer title. The same thing is going on there as it is with the salt issue. for those likely majority of people who simply just are not aware what happens with assets and salt damage if they ignore the matter.
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zakura
Before all my other discussion.
What about the manufacturer warranties. I thought it was 10 years unlimited or 100k miles or something? Buy the car with the longest corrosion warranty and make friends with a local body shop ftw?
Why do we do oil based rust proofing instead of using sacrificial plates like they do in structures. They already use zinc in the metals to extend life of the metals but environments like PRNY are extremely harsh and burn through it too fast.
Why isn't there a zinc coating you can spray every few years?
I think the old coatings gave the new ones a bad rap.
I think too many fake products are out there.
A lot of people can barely afford their car to begin with, they can afford the car payments, insurance and gas. and they stay in that loop. Sometimes a few hundred is just not in the budget.
Some people just DGAF about their car nor their money; and others may like the need to switch vehicles every few years, like a treat.
Some people don't know about it and would never think about it. It is just the reality of their world, a lot of things in our life has become disposable, so they just think cars are part of it too if they live in those areas.
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Before all my other discussion.
What about the manufacturer warranties. I thought it was 10 years unlimited or 100k miles or something? Buy the car with the longest corrosion warranty and make friends with a local body shop ftw?
Why do we do oil based rust proofing instead of using sacrificial plates like they do in structures. They already use zinc in the metals to extend life of the metals but environments like PRNY are extremely harsh and burn through it too fast.
Why isn't there a zinc coating you can spray every few years?
I think the old coatings gave the new ones a bad rap.
I think too many fake products are out there.
A lot of people can barely afford their car to begin with, they can afford the car payments, insurance and gas. and they stay in that loop. Sometimes a few hundred is just not in the budget.
Some people just DGAF about their car nor their money; and others may like the need to switch vehicles every few years, like a treat.
Some people don't know about it and would never think about it. It is just the reality of their world, a lot of things in our life has become disposable, so they just think cars are part of it too if they live in those areas.
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Seth
Hey Eric. I can attest to the validity of all the preaching you do regarding taking care of your vehicles and they will last a lot longer. A little example for you to share if you like,
I own a 2001 GMC Yukon over here in Ct. It has a 5. 3 vortex engine. I don t change the oil every 3k like some people blindly trust. I keep an eye on it because the valve guides are worn and she uses oil. But I have had this habit from when she was new. I don t go over 5-6 k between changes but if I smell it going burnt, or see it getting dirty, it gets changed and I don t care if I only drove it 2k miles on dirt or whatever. The old girl has, are you ready? 587 374 miles on her and I still use it every week. Sure she could use a couple of things done but I think it s a good example of your teachings. Pay attention and take care of your machines.
Now a tail between my legs question. I also have a second hand 2004 Escalse. She has some scale rust issues on the belly. Do you think oil spraying would be any use squeezing additional life out of it?
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Hey Eric. I can attest to the validity of all the preaching you do regarding taking care of your vehicles and they will last a lot longer. A little example for you to share if you like,
I own a 2001 GMC Yukon over here in Ct. It has a 5. 3 vortex engine. I don t change the oil every 3k like some people blindly trust. I keep an eye on it because the valve guides are worn and she uses oil. But I have had this habit from when she was new. I don t go over 5-6 k between changes but if I smell it going burnt, or see it getting dirty, it gets changed and I don t care if I only drove it 2k miles on dirt or whatever. The old girl has, are you ready? 587 374 miles on her and I still use it every week. Sure she could use a couple of things done but I think it s a good example of your teachings. Pay attention and take care of your machines.
Now a tail between my legs question. I also have a second hand 2004 Escalse. She has some scale rust issues on the belly. Do you think oil spraying would be any use squeezing additional life out of it?
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Zippy
yeah i'm old enough too. and oil sprays started because engines and transmissions had leaks and if they did the underside would get coated in oil. BUT its not the right thing to do. If you respect your car you wash it even during the winter. there is always a warm day or a car wash you can bring it to. WASH THE FRICKEN DIRT OFF including the wheel wells and underside. you see a little rust you hit it with a wire brush and spray it with rustolium. you don't coat the underside with oil thats clown poop. anyway. you're wife is right people just don't give a crap about anything let alone the rust under their cars. they have to watch the bachelor and dancing with the stars they don't have time to and even if they did they would never crawl under their cars that are the second biggest investment in their life. 100k for a new truck before Obama you could buy a house for that. maybe not a mansion but a house. and now cars cost that much.
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yeah i'm old enough too. and oil sprays started because engines and transmissions had leaks and if they did the underside would get coated in oil. BUT its not the right thing to do. If you respect your car you wash it even during the winter. there is always a warm day or a car wash you can bring it to. WASH THE FRICKEN DIRT OFF including the wheel wells and underside. you see a little rust you hit it with a wire brush and spray it with rustolium. you don't coat the underside with oil thats clown poop. anyway. you're wife is right people just don't give a crap about anything let alone the rust under their cars. they have to watch the bachelor and dancing with the stars they don't have time to and even if they did they would never crawl under their cars that are the second biggest investment in their life. 100k for a new truck before Obama you could buy a house for that. maybe not a mansion but a house. and now cars cost that much.
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Louis
I live in Canada. Not that many people get rust proofing. I personally am fed up of all the promises (including extended warranty bs) and every excuse in the book is given why the company will not honor your claim -- whether it be rust etc and you waste so much time chasing the man that it simply isn't worth it. I just bought a used 22 Buick envision. Ordered a ton of extra stuff like paint protection and I was thoroughly disappointed in the workmanship of the job. I also ordered full pop winter tires and rims and the darn dealer bent my pinch welds lifting the car before delivery to me. They tried to hide it from me and I had to call them out on their BS. I can rust proof the crap out of my car, but when the dealership bends the frame on ya, what's the point?
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I live in Canada. Not that many people get rust proofing. I personally am fed up of all the promises (including extended warranty bs) and every excuse in the book is given why the company will not honor your claim -- whether it be rust etc and you waste so much time chasing the man that it simply isn't worth it. I just bought a used 22 Buick envision. Ordered a ton of extra stuff like paint protection and I was thoroughly disappointed in the workmanship of the job. I also ordered full pop winter tires and rims and the darn dealer bent my pinch welds lifting the car before delivery to me. They tried to hide it from me and I had to call them out on their BS. I can rust proof the crap out of my car, but when the dealership bends the frame on ya, what's the point?
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scottgm321
I've had too many friends bring me their cars after going to Lairstone tire and repair places and there's not enough room in the comments for the stories I have of their lies. Anyhow, I live in North TX and when I go to the coast, the cars that live there are rusted up like the ones in your area. The salt is in the air, but when I leave, I always get an undercarriage was when I get a car wash. Does that help? It would probably be more expensive than the oil, over time because you'd do it more often but people see 20 now hurts less than 200 all at once. I also guess the car washes up there would be shut down during freezing snowy times as well and oil is yearly protection.
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I've had too many friends bring me their cars after going to Lairstone tire and repair places and there's not enough room in the comments for the stories I have of their lies. Anyhow, I live in North TX and when I go to the coast, the cars that live there are rusted up like the ones in your area. The salt is in the air, but when I leave, I always get an undercarriage was when I get a car wash. Does that help? It would probably be more expensive than the oil, over time because you'd do it more often but people see 20 now hurts less than 200 all at once. I also guess the car washes up there would be shut down during freezing snowy times as well and oil is yearly protection.
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lqueryvg666
I will say - when I used to live in ChiTown, I owned a Bronco with a 351 Windsor in it that leaked oil all of the time. BUT. It saved my frame and many other parts of the car that were always saturated with oil! So when I changed out a fender one time due to rust, during the winter I would spray the inside of that panel with any oil based lubricant available in the garage. I think that was the panel with like NO rust. sometimes I would just remove it to make sure the oil reached everywhere. Now if I lived in the rust belt, I would be doing the oil spray rust proofing every year. even if it was 500 each time. even the rubber bushings would benefit from that.
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I will say - when I used to live in ChiTown, I owned a Bronco with a 351 Windsor in it that leaked oil all of the time. BUT. It saved my frame and many other parts of the car that were always saturated with oil! So when I changed out a fender one time due to rust, during the winter I would spray the inside of that panel with any oil based lubricant available in the garage. I think that was the panel with like NO rust. sometimes I would just remove it to make sure the oil reached everywhere. Now if I lived in the rust belt, I would be doing the oil spray rust proofing every year. even if it was 500 each time. even the rubber bushings would benefit from that.
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Alan
I have seen videos before on rust belt cars. I live in central Ma. Soooo I have rust belt cars. My favorite one is my 2010 Subaru 3. 6R and I own it not the bank. I don t want to loose it being 13yr old. BUT the whole support under frame is rusted (Not the body. Some of the videos I have seen they spray/paint used motor oil on the underside of the body. Is there something better to use and how often should it be applied. I m 77 yrs old AND DI NOT WANT A NEW CAR. Mine only has 70000 thousand miles. So if I fix the under components it s still cheaper than new/used cars. If I can extend the life of the car another 13 yrs well I even be driving.
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I have seen videos before on rust belt cars. I live in central Ma. Soooo I have rust belt cars. My favorite one is my 2010 Subaru 3. 6R and I own it not the bank. I don t want to loose it being 13yr old. BUT the whole support under frame is rusted (Not the body. Some of the videos I have seen they spray/paint used motor oil on the underside of the body. Is there something better to use and how often should it be applied. I m 77 yrs old AND DI NOT WANT A NEW CAR. Mine only has 70000 thousand miles. So if I fix the under components it s still cheaper than new/used cars. If I can extend the life of the car another 13 yrs well I even be driving.
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Eskieguy
I remember a lot of advertising for Ziebart, back in the late 70s early 80s, but you had to get it done immediately, when you got your new car, before anything had a chance to oxide (which it probably had, and if applied incorrectly would plug your weep holes so your doors could fill with water. They haven't advertised on radio or TV in years, maybe decades, but I see they're still around. Maybe that's the problem, without advertising regularly, it slips people's minds. Then the local TV news can interview Eric O. famous auto technician, who can remind people that their cars are falling apart.
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I remember a lot of advertising for Ziebart, back in the late 70s early 80s, but you had to get it done immediately, when you got your new car, before anything had a chance to oxide (which it probably had, and if applied incorrectly would plug your weep holes so your doors could fill with water. They haven't advertised on radio or TV in years, maybe decades, but I see they're still around. Maybe that's the problem, without advertising regularly, it slips people's minds. Then the local TV news can interview Eric O. famous auto technician, who can remind people that their cars are falling apart.
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murphymb
So why doesn't some genius in the salt the road states invent a pressure washer for undercarriages that can be installed in drive through car washes. Maybe a class action suit against the state for destroying your car with a known corrosive. Uhhh, maybe the money made from inspections has something to do with it. Insurance companies could offer reduced rates for yearly undercarriage maintenance rather that the eventual mandate from the state that would make it a law. State guv'ments will penalize before they offer reduced cost incentives. They've never met a tax they didn't like.
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So why doesn't some genius in the salt the road states invent a pressure washer for undercarriages that can be installed in drive through car washes. Maybe a class action suit against the state for destroying your car with a known corrosive. Uhhh, maybe the money made from inspections has something to do with it. Insurance companies could offer reduced rates for yearly undercarriage maintenance rather that the eventual mandate from the state that would make it a law. State guv'ments will penalize before they offer reduced cost incentives. They've never met a tax they didn't like.
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Tommy
I think the public is reluctant after all of the undercoating rip offs that were sold by dealers trying to upsell junk that failed after a short while. It still astonishes me that the automotive manufacturers do not do a better job of providing coatings on new vehicles that actually last after salt exposure. I have a 2005 Silverado that was coated underneath soon after I bought it used, in 2010. I've seen numerous other Silverados that have rusted rockers, shock cross members and gas tanks falling out, some newer than mine. These rust issues are really hidden safety issues.
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I think the public is reluctant after all of the undercoating rip offs that were sold by dealers trying to upsell junk that failed after a short while. It still astonishes me that the automotive manufacturers do not do a better job of providing coatings on new vehicles that actually last after salt exposure. I have a 2005 Silverado that was coated underneath soon after I bought it used, in 2010. I've seen numerous other Silverados that have rusted rockers, shock cross members and gas tanks falling out, some newer than mine. These rust issues are really hidden safety issues.
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SS
I think people fail to rust proof because its not glaringly noticeable until it causes a problem, for instance, I know my vehicles will rust, I know it for a fact but, I change my oil and see hey it s good right now I better spray something to keep it this way (ill get on that next oil change) and it gets put on the back burner several times until one day you crawl under and you re like crap that s getting bad, I better get on it next time since I don t have time today. Long story short, it usually doesn t look bad until it is and now you re way behind and the damage is done.
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I think people fail to rust proof because its not glaringly noticeable until it causes a problem, for instance, I know my vehicles will rust, I know it for a fact but, I change my oil and see hey it s good right now I better spray something to keep it this way (ill get on that next oil change) and it gets put on the back burner several times until one day you crawl under and you re like crap that s getting bad, I better get on it next time since I don t have time today. Long story short, it usually doesn t look bad until it is and now you re way behind and the damage is done.
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Spike
I think road salt itsself is a scam on the peoples. It does little good unless the temp stays in the 20F range, If it gets cold overnight it turns to black ice I think it helps to wash the under side in the spring when it starts to get warm. Road salting is just a way for the highway dept to get some easy OT. A little sand at intersections and everything would be great. Here in Ohio after 1/2 inch of snow there are big piles of salt all over the roads. Once long ago I drove across UP MI in Feb it was 15F the roads were snow pack. It wasn't bad at all.
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I think road salt itsself is a scam on the peoples. It does little good unless the temp stays in the 20F range, If it gets cold overnight it turns to black ice I think it helps to wash the under side in the spring when it starts to get warm. Road salting is just a way for the highway dept to get some easy OT. A little sand at intersections and everything would be great. Here in Ohio after 1/2 inch of snow there are big piles of salt all over the roads. Once long ago I drove across UP MI in Feb it was 15F the roads were snow pack. It wasn't bad at all.
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