Here's Why Old SUVs Are Shooting Up in Value
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Date: 2019-10-25
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i'll take a trailblazer or envoy from the around 2005 any day over these. they have airbags for safety, they are dirt cheap on the used market, a 7 passenger version available, separate climate controls for rear passengers and they have everything else praised about these two vehicles. true 4wd (hi & lo) as well as 4AWD like modern vehicles and 2hi when you don't want to waste gas in 4 wheel mode - all with a single switch. the extended length with some goodyear tripletreds is great in the snow. they are easy to work on with lots of room in the engine bay. i prefer the inline 6 atlas (former ward's ten best) engine over the v8. you can get one with fairly low mileage for 3k-5k. there's also the envoy xuv which is pretty cool. change the transmission fluid and transfer case fluid as scheduled and you will be able to drive it 250k miles or more before having to pay much in repairs that anyone half mechanically inclined couldn't fix. the main thing that goes at around 100k is a coil pack or two. but you can get them off of amazon for 20 each (x6) and it is easier than changing spark plugs - do them all at 100k is my suggestion. some have transmission problems way after 150k miles that is just a solenoid replacement but, again, keep the fluids fresh and you will have good luck with these. funny thing is doug praises these vehicles but would most definitely poo poo the envoy/trailblazer even they they are the same as these two vehicles but with upgrades and not modern crossover upgrades but upgrades one would want with a nice old body on frame vehicle.
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i'll take a trailblazer or envoy from the around 2005 any day over these. they have airbags for safety, they are dirt cheap on the used market, a 7 passenger version available, separate climate controls for rear passengers and they have everything else praised about these two vehicles. true 4wd (hi & lo) as well as 4AWD like modern vehicles and 2hi when you don't want to waste gas in 4 wheel mode - all with a single switch. the extended length with some goodyear tripletreds is great in the snow. they are easy to work on with lots of room in the engine bay. i prefer the inline 6 atlas (former ward's ten best) engine over the v8. you can get one with fairly low mileage for 3k-5k. there's also the envoy xuv which is pretty cool. change the transmission fluid and transfer case fluid as scheduled and you will be able to drive it 250k miles or more before having to pay much in repairs that anyone half mechanically inclined couldn't fix. the main thing that goes at around 100k is a coil pack or two. but you can get them off of amazon for 20 each (x6) and it is easier than changing spark plugs - do them all at 100k is my suggestion. some have transmission problems way after 150k miles that is just a solenoid replacement but, again, keep the fluids fresh and you will have good luck with these. funny thing is doug praises these vehicles but would most definitely poo poo the envoy/trailblazer even they they are the same as these two vehicles but with upgrades and not modern crossover upgrades but upgrades one would want with a nice old body on frame vehicle.
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My life My Rules
The most pragmatic, most realistic, and most honest car review. I've watched so far. If it can't drive itself then it's not a new car. if it runs on gas or diesel. then it's not a new car. just an old car dressed differently. These cars actually look much better than modern designs. You see new cars and you wonder was this actually designed or that came out accidentally. or was just random computer generated variable that will change next year. Answering your very essential question, why make 3 buttons. Cuz when one fails all three must fail and you need to trash the new car and buy a new one after just 100000 miles. I think in the future you will no longer buy a car and stick with it for life. You will have to buy a subscription. like BMW subscription for some years and every year they give you the latest model. otherwise mass production is doomed and unsustainable.
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The most pragmatic, most realistic, and most honest car review. I've watched so far. If it can't drive itself then it's not a new car. if it runs on gas or diesel. then it's not a new car. just an old car dressed differently. These cars actually look much better than modern designs. You see new cars and you wonder was this actually designed or that came out accidentally. or was just random computer generated variable that will change next year. Answering your very essential question, why make 3 buttons. Cuz when one fails all three must fail and you need to trash the new car and buy a new one after just 100000 miles. I think in the future you will no longer buy a car and stick with it for life. You will have to buy a subscription. like BMW subscription for some years and every year they give you the latest model. otherwise mass production is doomed and unsustainable.
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el steel
I grew up in the 70s. The wood paneling and the shag carpet on the Wagoneer make me want to hurl. And the plastic everywhere, just kill me. Tacky, tacky, tacky. Still, if I had been a kid, riding in the way back, as I did in my dad's yellow (yes, yellow) Ford wagon, it would still have been great fun on the six-state journey to Grandmother's house in the mountains. Actually, my dad's yellow Ford wagon's wayback converted into two opposing bench seats that faced each other. Crazy, right? But he let me take it to college, and I made plenty of friends in Intramural football. Could take our entire team (eight players) to the game in one vehicle.
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I grew up in the 70s. The wood paneling and the shag carpet on the Wagoneer make me want to hurl. And the plastic everywhere, just kill me. Tacky, tacky, tacky. Still, if I had been a kid, riding in the way back, as I did in my dad's yellow (yes, yellow) Ford wagon, it would still have been great fun on the six-state journey to Grandmother's house in the mountains. Actually, my dad's yellow Ford wagon's wayback converted into two opposing bench seats that faced each other. Crazy, right? But he let me take it to college, and I made plenty of friends in Intramural football. Could take our entire team (eight players) to the game in one vehicle.
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Ted Striker
Annoying 3 button analogy. The reason these older vehicles are popular is due to the fact they were built before everything was computerized. Running simple things through a circuit board, like control of electric windows, climate controls, even the throttle, introduces fail modes. Digital isn't always better when it causes a higher failure rate and reduced reliability. Many of the computerized components are related to emission controls. Electronic fuel injection and ignition do seem to be a great step up. But engineers don't know when to stop, they take it so far the car ends up with so many failure modes it's eventually hated.
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Annoying 3 button analogy. The reason these older vehicles are popular is due to the fact they were built before everything was computerized. Running simple things through a circuit board, like control of electric windows, climate controls, even the throttle, introduces fail modes. Digital isn't always better when it causes a higher failure rate and reduced reliability. Many of the computerized components are related to emission controls. Electronic fuel injection and ignition do seem to be a great step up. But engineers don't know when to stop, they take it so far the car ends up with so many failure modes it's eventually hated.
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C Bennett
You can have the Grand Wagoneer. My parents had a new one in 1987 and when I was picking them up at a Dallas hotel one late night, the entire electrical system fried- only 11, 000 miles on the odometer. I had to dead stick coast it off of the interstate into the nearest parking lot at a commercial building, then walk to the hotel to give them the bad news at dinner. We eventually found a ride back to home, 2 hours away, late at night. I don't remember how long a Jeep dealership kept it in Dallas to fix it under warranty work. A total POS. Now the Land Cruiser- people actually want those. As a Toyota owner many times over, I agree.
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You can have the Grand Wagoneer. My parents had a new one in 1987 and when I was picking them up at a Dallas hotel one late night, the entire electrical system fried- only 11, 000 miles on the odometer. I had to dead stick coast it off of the interstate into the nearest parking lot at a commercial building, then walk to the hotel to give them the bad news at dinner. We eventually found a ride back to home, 2 hours away, late at night. I don't remember how long a Jeep dealership kept it in Dallas to fix it under warranty work. A total POS. Now the Land Cruiser- people actually want those. As a Toyota owner many times over, I agree.
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Veteran Lowboy Driver
Mid to late 80s into the early 90s were great for vehicles. Quality was still pretty good. Cars were built functional without a ton of silly creature comforts that do absolutely nothing for performance or usability. Fuel injection and electronic ignition were starting to become standard for reliability and simplicity. I love the old full size Cherokees and Wagoneers. In hs I had an 80 Cherokee Chief with a 401 and a 4 speed manual. I loved it, tons of power but man kick in the 4 barrels and I could almost watch the gas gauge fall. Gas was only 1. 05 so I didn't think much about it back then.
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Mid to late 80s into the early 90s were great for vehicles. Quality was still pretty good. Cars were built functional without a ton of silly creature comforts that do absolutely nothing for performance or usability. Fuel injection and electronic ignition were starting to become standard for reliability and simplicity. I love the old full size Cherokees and Wagoneers. In hs I had an 80 Cherokee Chief with a 401 and a 4 speed manual. I loved it, tons of power but man kick in the 4 barrels and I could almost watch the gas gauge fall. Gas was only 1. 05 so I didn't think much about it back then.
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Ebenezer Scroogze
Doug Doug Doug. I have a major majorr major question and lease answer it in depth because Im sure many of us would want to have an expert answer on this. HOW dependable are an old car's - even if a Toyota, SAFETY systems, most importantly the airbag units. Firstly is the newer airbag system on latest cars that much evolved and therefore much better and how much and secondly if not better or lets say comparable, are the deployment sensors likely to hold up after all the years. What if the old airbag that hasn't seen action in ten years fails to deploy? I will compare yours and scotttys answers
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Doug Doug Doug. I have a major majorr major question and lease answer it in depth because Im sure many of us would want to have an expert answer on this. HOW dependable are an old car's - even if a Toyota, SAFETY systems, most importantly the airbag units. Firstly is the newer airbag system on latest cars that much evolved and therefore much better and how much and secondly if not better or lets say comparable, are the deployment sensors likely to hold up after all the years. What if the old airbag that hasn't seen action in ten years fails to deploy? I will compare yours and scotttys answers
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ETr4d3
had an old jeep, i miss the relaxing steering, you can move it left and right and nothing happens, best motorway vehicle. Just hold the wheel with one finger and let the car go straight. New vehicles are so responsive, should always hold the steering and correct a bit. even on motorway. My new Hyundai is all over the lane, just can't keep straight when doing 60-70. while my jeep old jeep would keep straight even when doing 100-110mph on the german autobahn.
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had an old jeep, i miss the relaxing steering, you can move it left and right and nothing happens, best motorway vehicle. Just hold the wheel with one finger and let the car go straight. New vehicles are so responsive, should always hold the steering and correct a bit. even on motorway. My new Hyundai is all over the lane, just can't keep straight when doing 60-70. while my jeep old jeep would keep straight even when doing 100-110mph on the german autobahn.
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Hubert Bartels
That comment that Doug made about the three horn buttons on the steering wheel made me go out to my 1983 FJ60 Lancruiser. I've never noticed that - over 250, 000 miles driven in that vehicle and I never noticed that the left horn button is upside downSure, the interior is falling apart and there's rust around the rear window - but it still runs good and brings a smile to my face when I drive it.
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That comment that Doug made about the three horn buttons on the steering wheel made me go out to my 1983 FJ60 Lancruiser. I've never noticed that - over 250, 000 miles driven in that vehicle and I never noticed that the left horn button is upside downSure, the interior is falling apart and there's rust around the rear window - but it still runs good and brings a smile to my face when I drive it.
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