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Date: 2019-11-01
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Fernanda M.
I think the reason people are upset about the esquire story is not cause hes white and doesnt deserve his story being told. Im certainly not upset at that, in fact good for him. I think was disappointing it that we dont hear hardly any stories of people of color. I never even seen a magazine with a person of color titled American boy/girl. I think hearing about American POC is important just as important. I have a friend who was talking about someone at work n she said shes not American shes dark skin. I asked was she born here she said yes and i said then shes American. My friend isnt racist shes actually really nice an has expressed how immigrants deserve better treatment. Its just her idea of what an American is was wrong. I also knew a friend back in college who said Obama shouldnt be President because hes not American but said he would vote Arnold Schwarzenegger for president if he ran. I had to remind him he wasnt even born in the states whereas Obama was. I was born in the states and im 100% American but because of my name Ive been discriminated against. His story is valid and Im not taking that away from him but it is a story I have heard many times. I would like to hear about how its like growing up in the midwest as an American PoC.
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I think the reason people are upset about the esquire story is not cause hes white and doesnt deserve his story being told. Im certainly not upset at that, in fact good for him. I think was disappointing it that we dont hear hardly any stories of people of color. I never even seen a magazine with a person of color titled American boy/girl. I think hearing about American POC is important just as important. I have a friend who was talking about someone at work n she said shes not American shes dark skin. I asked was she born here she said yes and i said then shes American. My friend isnt racist shes actually really nice an has expressed how immigrants deserve better treatment. Its just her idea of what an American is was wrong. I also knew a friend back in college who said Obama shouldnt be President because hes not American but said he would vote Arnold Schwarzenegger for president if he ran. I had to remind him he wasnt even born in the states whereas Obama was. I was born in the states and im 100% American but because of my name Ive been discriminated against. His story is valid and Im not taking that away from him but it is a story I have heard many times. I would like to hear about how its like growing up in the midwest as an American PoC.
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TheVeR01
Esquire may have should have done another article before white boys matter. The same result would have come about, but it'd have less impact and more people would have been corrected about the premise sense the trend of through the eyes of other people would have been established, and clarified this is not a trend of articles about minority groups. But you can blame this mess on the powers that be in office, and their reactions to young white men versus young minority person. It's common that young and white people get favoritism despite how heinous the proven crime was, and people generate hostility in the us vs them prism. Esquire's choice of control group was not well executed, given that each and every one of us belongs to a group and regardless who we are and personal history, we face enemies throughout the world. The other groups which have a vendetta against our existence and desire to punish, or enact irrational hatred for a complete stranger. So excuse me if I don't tear off to go read an article detailing the private battle of a very intelligent youth, I'm a bit burnt out on seeing things from the other sides perspective. It is a cheap ploy to rekindle empathy.
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Esquire may have should have done another article before white boys matter. The same result would have come about, but it'd have less impact and more people would have been corrected about the premise sense the trend of through the eyes of other people would have been established, and clarified this is not a trend of articles about minority groups. But you can blame this mess on the powers that be in office, and their reactions to young white men versus young minority person. It's common that young and white people get favoritism despite how heinous the proven crime was, and people generate hostility in the us vs them prism. Esquire's choice of control group was not well executed, given that each and every one of us belongs to a group and regardless who we are and personal history, we face enemies throughout the world. The other groups which have a vendetta against our existence and desire to punish, or enact irrational hatred for a complete stranger. So excuse me if I don't tear off to go read an article detailing the private battle of a very intelligent youth, I'm a bit burnt out on seeing things from the other sides perspective. It is a cheap ploy to rekindle empathy.
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Courtney Smith
The Esquires idea for a series showing life in different spheres is awesome and the first article is well written and thought provoking, but they should have started with a different article. Starting a series with an article that they should have known would have such a rocky reception was a bad idea and may have alienated readers who would be interested in the entire series had this not been their introduction to it. Had they first released an article about what its like to be trans or gay or black or any other marginalized group, the series as a whole would have been better received and would not have started with a controversy. While Esquire may have gained some readers through this (possibly unintentional) use of outrage marketing, they likely lost an equal or higher number of readers. Additionally, they should have stated up front that it was going to be an ongoing series, because it initially seemed that it was a standalone article meant to show a new perspective on the world. Esquires handling of this does not reflect well on their editorial or marketing teams and this situation could have been handled much better.
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The Esquires idea for a series showing life in different spheres is awesome and the first article is well written and thought provoking, but they should have started with a different article. Starting a series with an article that they should have known would have such a rocky reception was a bad idea and may have alienated readers who would be interested in the entire series had this not been their introduction to it. Had they first released an article about what its like to be trans or gay or black or any other marginalized group, the series as a whole would have been better received and would not have started with a controversy. While Esquire may have gained some readers through this (possibly unintentional) use of outrage marketing, they likely lost an equal or higher number of readers. Additionally, they should have stated up front that it was going to be an ongoing series, because it initially seemed that it was a standalone article meant to show a new perspective on the world. Esquires handling of this does not reflect well on their editorial or marketing teams and this situation could have been handled much better.
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The Blue Eye Monk
I guess white people as a racial majority cannot possibly enjoy consuming content related to their demographic. I am sure Blacks and people in the LGBTQ communities will equally be completely disinterested and unable to relate to their spot light pieces. All this hate towards starting with the white experience is exactly why they needed to. Chances are pretty good in my opinion most of these folks outraged have never heard or read an Esquire article in their lives. And I am sure they wont when its their turn to shine. But this is the perfect show case for how enraged a smaller politically polarized group of people act when things arent exactly how they want it. How about a magazine run on the experience of teenagers of all races and identities? An all inclusive run of articles truly showing off some of the hardships our current youths face? What a great idea Ooooooh but we started with white people? Why do white people have to be included? Ugh nevermind it cant happen now. The great idea is ruined once again by white people. Dang. Oh well guess everyone outraged will continue to never read Esquire.
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I guess white people as a racial majority cannot possibly enjoy consuming content related to their demographic. I am sure Blacks and people in the LGBTQ communities will equally be completely disinterested and unable to relate to their spot light pieces. All this hate towards starting with the white experience is exactly why they needed to. Chances are pretty good in my opinion most of these folks outraged have never heard or read an Esquire article in their lives. And I am sure they wont when its their turn to shine. But this is the perfect show case for how enraged a smaller politically polarized group of people act when things arent exactly how they want it. How about a magazine run on the experience of teenagers of all races and identities? An all inclusive run of articles truly showing off some of the hardships our current youths face? What a great idea Ooooooh but we started with white people? Why do white people have to be included? Ugh nevermind it cant happen now. The great idea is ruined once again by white people. Dang. Oh well guess everyone outraged will continue to never read Esquire.
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Israel Designs
I definitely agree that you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, but when your title mentions the #MeToo movement like that, it's going to lose my interest because I'm already very familiar with many white men's opinion on it and how they feel attacked by it unless they are a victim of SA themselves via social media. As a sa survivor and victim of abuse it hits too close to home when people who aren't the victim try to play the role and keep me silenced so they can continue to abuse or take advantage of me. Going off your impression of the article it sounds like that isn't the case with him, so that's nice to know. However, titles that are meant to outrage or serve as clickbait will turn me off immediately. The goal is to address the divide in our country but active contributes to it before the article can even get a chance. Bad move. I don't form opinions on things I haven't read but it's disappointing that the writers/publishers can't get their point across without aggravating hurt people and pitiing people against each other.
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I definitely agree that you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, but when your title mentions the #MeToo movement like that, it's going to lose my interest because I'm already very familiar with many white men's opinion on it and how they feel attacked by it unless they are a victim of SA themselves via social media. As a sa survivor and victim of abuse it hits too close to home when people who aren't the victim try to play the role and keep me silenced so they can continue to abuse or take advantage of me. Going off your impression of the article it sounds like that isn't the case with him, so that's nice to know. However, titles that are meant to outrage or serve as clickbait will turn me off immediately. The goal is to address the divide in our country but active contributes to it before the article can even get a chance. Bad move. I don't form opinions on things I haven't read but it's disappointing that the writers/publishers can't get their point across without aggravating hurt people and pitiing people against each other.
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Bears and Beats
Hiya. Longtime fanboy. Keep doing your thing, I love it. Though I never grace the cesspool of YouTube comments enough, and its two weeks late, I was compelled to respond to this as I just saw it in my notifications. I was compelled to comment on the esquire story just because of my (potentially) rare view point of being disgustingly liberal and self proclaimed feminist. Over the years you and I have strayed pretty hard on some issues, especially when you appeared significantly less biased. And even your coverage of this story made my anger meter spike a little, if Im being honest. But I completely agree with you, no matter how uncomfortable it makes me feel and no matter that I feel some people will use your fair-minded approach to continue the overbearing narrative that some support, as is always a risk. But still, well done and thanks for challenging a lot of us, even a snobby liberal: )
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Hiya. Longtime fanboy. Keep doing your thing, I love it. Though I never grace the cesspool of YouTube comments enough, and its two weeks late, I was compelled to respond to this as I just saw it in my notifications. I was compelled to comment on the esquire story just because of my (potentially) rare view point of being disgustingly liberal and self proclaimed feminist. Over the years you and I have strayed pretty hard on some issues, especially when you appeared significantly less biased. And even your coverage of this story made my anger meter spike a little, if Im being honest. But I completely agree with you, no matter how uncomfortable it makes me feel and no matter that I feel some people will use your fair-minded approach to continue the overbearing narrative that some support, as is always a risk. But still, well done and thanks for challenging a lot of us, even a snobby liberal: )
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Nicholas DaRocha
TBH That chuck e cheese statement comes off more sus than if they said nothing. Issues people had-Pepperoni and toppings don't line up piece by piece-Crusts don't match piece to piece-Cut lines sometimes don't come out the other side of a middle point of the pizzaWhat Chuck E Cheese's states: Oh they aren't perfectly round cause they are made to order. Like no one is denying the pizzas are made from actual dough. But why are they then clearly made from individual pieces. Even if they aren't like reheated from people's leftovers, I just want a plausible explanation for why the kitchen goes Hmm, we made 12 pizzas, lets cut them up into individual slices, and then reassemble the pizzas using a collection of different pieces. If it was just a we do this for half cheese, half pepperoni it might make some sense. But when literal cheese pizzas all don't line up it makes people wonder.
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TBH That chuck e cheese statement comes off more sus than if they said nothing. Issues people had-Pepperoni and toppings don't line up piece by piece-Crusts don't match piece to piece-Cut lines sometimes don't come out the other side of a middle point of the pizzaWhat Chuck E Cheese's states: Oh they aren't perfectly round cause they are made to order. Like no one is denying the pizzas are made from actual dough. But why are they then clearly made from individual pieces. Even if they aren't like reheated from people's leftovers, I just want a plausible explanation for why the kitchen goes Hmm, we made 12 pizzas, lets cut them up into individual slices, and then reassemble the pizzas using a collection of different pieces. If it was just a we do this for half cheese, half pepperoni it might make some sense. But when literal cheese pizzas all don't line up it makes people wonder.
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Truelight86
The problem I have is with it coming out in black history month. The timing seems like a slap in the face. The platform has a plan to tell many points of view. Why not start with the black kid in black history month. That is already the shortest month. While we have actual nooses being put up as jokes. (Fun fact, some people use jokes to gage what people are willing to accept. How do they react when it's just you and them and they have no Other to judge them)I don't have an issue with the article, but the fact that the timing didn't affect the planing, shows a lack of thought. Whether negligent or malicious the slight was made, and felt by many. Why is the first echo chamber they visit with their platform the one that is used to tell or view most stories through?
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The problem I have is with it coming out in black history month. The timing seems like a slap in the face. The platform has a plan to tell many points of view. Why not start with the black kid in black history month. That is already the shortest month. While we have actual nooses being put up as jokes. (Fun fact, some people use jokes to gage what people are willing to accept. How do they react when it's just you and them and they have no Other to judge them)I don't have an issue with the article, but the fact that the timing didn't affect the planing, shows a lack of thought. Whether negligent or malicious the slight was made, and felt by many. Why is the first echo chamber they visit with their platform the one that is used to tell or view most stories through?
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missesxgene
While I feel the same way about the reading each other's stories and not being so reactionary parts, I feel like it was in bad taste to run this story about the White American Boy as their first issue of the year, which also could have been their Black History Month issue. Why not run a story about how black boys are set up to fail in this country? If the story could have been about any LGTBQ, black, white, or whatever, person, then why actively choose to run THIS piece for your February issue. It doesn't add up, in my opinion, and is just the response to a bad-take. They chose to run this piece instead of doing a Black History Month issue, they need to live with the consequences of the backlash.
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While I feel the same way about the reading each other's stories and not being so reactionary parts, I feel like it was in bad taste to run this story about the White American Boy as their first issue of the year, which also could have been their Black History Month issue. Why not run a story about how black boys are set up to fail in this country? If the story could have been about any LGTBQ, black, white, or whatever, person, then why actively choose to run THIS piece for your February issue. It doesn't add up, in my opinion, and is just the response to a bad-take. They chose to run this piece instead of doing a Black History Month issue, they need to live with the consequences of the backlash.
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