The Sino Soviet Split: Explained
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The ROC did plenty of bad stuff and wasn't doing very well on the protecting China from foreign threat or even trying but the CCP from the start was using the conflict to improve their position.
To say the CCP fought the Japanese with the KMT isn't really the truth as the CCP's only focus was consolidating regional power and building troop strength to fight the KMT and only fought Japan when they had to.
The KMT lost 10 times the troops of the various communist and socialist armies.
The KMT was wildly corrupt so don't think I am taking a side here, but the CCP was able to greatly prosper and organize once the KMT was busy on the fronts.
Date: 2022-07-19
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From a socialist there is a huge reason for the split from the Soviet Union. In the beginning, the revolutions were based on MARXISM & MARXISM alone. Stalin, after taking power, rejected pure Marxism, Leninism, & obviously Trotskyism(permanent world socialist revolution) Stalin did however cleverly create an ideology called Marxist-Leninism, which is neither & is certainly not both combined.
Simply put, Stalinism is seen as a betrayal to World Socialist Revolution because the ideology is Socialism in One Country, which is incompatible with Maosim, Marxism, Leninism, or Trotskyism.
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From a socialist there is a huge reason for the split from the Soviet Union. In the beginning, the revolutions were based on MARXISM & MARXISM alone. Stalin, after taking power, rejected pure Marxism, Leninism, & obviously Trotskyism(permanent world socialist revolution) Stalin did however cleverly create an ideology called Marxist-Leninism, which is neither & is certainly not both combined.
Simply put, Stalinism is seen as a betrayal to World Socialist Revolution because the ideology is Socialism in One Country, which is incompatible with Maosim, Marxism, Leninism, or Trotskyism.
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Nikhilesh
0: 53 Mao wanted to abandon so much of Chinese culture that apparently even included the Chinese characters & Stalin somehow convinced Mao to not do it mostly likely due to his own opposition to romanisation of writing system.
2: 56 I'm sure it was part of the long game which he knew China would win due its big population & for that they needed West's help to industrialise which now has come to bite West in the ass. Although I thought it was Deng Xiaoping who opened up China to improve relations with the West after Mao died.
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0: 53 Mao wanted to abandon so much of Chinese culture that apparently even included the Chinese characters & Stalin somehow convinced Mao to not do it mostly likely due to his own opposition to romanisation of writing system.
2: 56 I'm sure it was part of the long game which he knew China would win due its big population & for that they needed West's help to industrialise which now has come to bite West in the ass. Although I thought it was Deng Xiaoping who opened up China to improve relations with the West after Mao died.
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Ryorai
I do want to add something, you said that they were exporting grain because they didnt want to look like they were starving. Now im not 100% sure but I would imagine it was quite similar to the soviet situation early on in its lifespan where as the USSR was trade banned from exporting everything except for foodstuffs where it basically was forced to trade food if it wanted to industrialize. Given the wests nature i dont think its that unlikely a similar situation happened with China.
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I do want to add something, you said that they were exporting grain because they didnt want to look like they were starving. Now im not 100% sure but I would imagine it was quite similar to the soviet situation early on in its lifespan where as the USSR was trade banned from exporting everything except for foodstuffs where it basically was forced to trade food if it wanted to industrialize. Given the wests nature i dont think its that unlikely a similar situation happened with China.
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Draco
1: 40 Mao wasn't exporting grain during a drought because he wanted to look rich, it was because he and the rest of the central government didn't know it was happening at all. This was due to the government system where regional managers were supposed to be completely responsible for any problems of their region, and thus avoided telling the issue of the drought and consequent famine to Mao and the party leaders to avoid being reprimanded.
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1: 40 Mao wasn't exporting grain during a drought because he wanted to look rich, it was because he and the rest of the central government didn't know it was happening at all. This was due to the government system where regional managers were supposed to be completely responsible for any problems of their region, and thus avoided telling the issue of the drought and consequent famine to Mao and the party leaders to avoid being reprimanded.
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AlwaysDisPutin
Mao's approach to change saw the Chinese government hastily reform agriculture & demand that it output unreasonable amounts. These policies exacerbated a major drought which hit China between 1959 & 1961 which saw the deaths of at least 15 million people. To make matters worse, Mao also opted to continue with the policy of exporting grain because he wanted China to look like it was a wealthy well-fed country. _
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Mao's approach to change saw the Chinese government hastily reform agriculture & demand that it output unreasonable amounts. These policies exacerbated a major drought which hit China between 1959 & 1961 which saw the deaths of at least 15 million people. To make matters worse, Mao also opted to continue with the policy of exporting grain because he wanted China to look like it was a wealthy well-fed country. _
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GJP
Interesting, balanced conclusion- as ever. From a pragmatic perspective, I agree that the split didnt affect China as much as it could have, however through a global communist lens I find it lamentable that the two powers could not maintain unity in the face of American imperialist domination. The coming few years will be crucial for the Chinese communist project; and perhaps we will see the axis of power tilt leftward once more.
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Interesting, balanced conclusion- as ever. From a pragmatic perspective, I agree that the split didnt affect China as much as it could have, however through a global communist lens I find it lamentable that the two powers could not maintain unity in the face of American imperialist domination. The coming few years will be crucial for the Chinese communist project; and perhaps we will see the axis of power tilt leftward once more.
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elkensteyin
Once minor nit - while the Chinese Communists under Mao and the Guomindang under Chang Kai Sheck did unite to fight Japan, it wasn't until almost when WW2 was over. Chang Kai Sheck, who was extraordinarily corrupt and incompetent, was too focused on trying to wipe out the Communists to worry too much about the Japanese until he was taken hostage by one of his own generals and kinda sorta forced to unite.
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Once minor nit - while the Chinese Communists under Mao and the Guomindang under Chang Kai Sheck did unite to fight Japan, it wasn't until almost when WW2 was over. Chang Kai Sheck, who was extraordinarily corrupt and incompetent, was too focused on trying to wipe out the Communists to worry too much about the Japanese until he was taken hostage by one of his own generals and kinda sorta forced to unite.
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redmanticore
in two sentences:
In 1956, CPSU first secretary Nikita Khrushchev denounced Stalin and Stalinism in the speech On the Cult of Personality and its Consequences and began the de-Stalinization of the USSR.
Mao and the Chinese leadership were appalled as the PRC and the USSR progressively diverged in their interpretations and applications of Leninist theory.
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in two sentences:
In 1956, CPSU first secretary Nikita Khrushchev denounced Stalin and Stalinism in the speech On the Cult of Personality and its Consequences and began the de-Stalinization of the USSR.
Mao and the Chinese leadership were appalled as the PRC and the USSR progressively diverged in their interpretations and applications of Leninist theory.
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John
Khrushchev actually did rather better in the 'Cuban' Missile Crisis than most people realise. What really started it was that the US sited Jupiter MRBMs in Turkey. The USSR retaliated by sending nuclear missiles to Cuba. Khrushchev got the US to remove those as well, which was what they really wanted.
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Khrushchev actually did rather better in the 'Cuban' Missile Crisis than most people realise. What really started it was that the US sited Jupiter MRBMs in Turkey. The USSR retaliated by sending nuclear missiles to Cuba. Khrushchev got the US to remove those as well, which was what they really wanted.
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Dylan
Hilarious how the US wants no missiles in Cuba and the USSR wants. no spying? The US had a great arsenal of nukes at Moscow range in Turkey and Western Europe at the time. These little details in a video with a different topic such as this one is why the propaganda system of the West is so succesful
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Hilarious how the US wants no missiles in Cuba and the USSR wants. no spying? The US had a great arsenal of nukes at Moscow range in Turkey and Western Europe at the time. These little details in a video with a different topic such as this one is why the propaganda system of the West is so succesful
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Steve
The Soviets were Leninists and the Chinese were Marxists. Lenin believed in the active military overthrow of capitalist democracies. Marx believed that capitalist democracies would collapse because of their inherent flaws and all you had to do was wait around to pick up the pieces.
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The Soviets were Leninists and the Chinese were Marxists. Lenin believed in the active military overthrow of capitalist democracies. Marx believed that capitalist democracies would collapse because of their inherent flaws and all you had to do was wait around to pick up the pieces.
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unifieddynasty
This is a bit oversimplified. It wasn't that China viewed the USSR as being too peaceful toward the west, since that was the dividing line between Stalinists and Trotskyists. Rather, this was geopolitical. China didn't want to be another proxy ala the Warsaw Pact states.
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This is a bit oversimplified. It wasn't that China viewed the USSR as being too peaceful toward the west, since that was the dividing line between Stalinists and Trotskyists. Rather, this was geopolitical. China didn't want to be another proxy ala the Warsaw Pact states.
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Shuhrat
China: You can use the military to crush protests! That's delegitimizing communism!
Also China: Proceeds to be a pseudo-capitalist powerhouse I sell you the iPhone for two hundred thousand dollars.
Marx: Resisting the urge to smack the hell out of China
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China: You can use the military to crush protests! That's delegitimizing communism!
Also China: Proceeds to be a pseudo-capitalist powerhouse I sell you the iPhone for two hundred thousand dollars.
Marx: Resisting the urge to smack the hell out of China
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Otto
Can you do a video where you explain how usa and ussr became the biggest enemies during the cold war having been allies during ww2? Would be nice to know the whole story between the two during the 20th century. Love your work! Fun, compact and informative: )
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Can you do a video where you explain how usa and ussr became the biggest enemies during the cold war having been allies during ww2? Would be nice to know the whole story between the two during the 20th century. Love your work! Fun, compact and informative: )
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NelsonDiscovery
And in the killing people for no discernable reason competition, normaltrash still have a healthy lead of several billions over the few dozen killed by people with pshychological disabilities.
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And in the killing people for no discernable reason competition, normaltrash still have a healthy lead of several billions over the few dozen killed by people with pshychological disabilities.
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Gokul
CCP didn't fight the Japanese and let the nationalist handle them, and when Japanese was expelled the nationalist became weak because of the fighting and CCP used this opportunity to defeat them
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CCP didn't fight the Japanese and let the nationalist handle them, and when Japanese was expelled the nationalist became weak because of the fighting and CCP used this opportunity to defeat them
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Canon07
Really what could basically go wrong? when you have 2 same ideology but can't get along with one common thing. This is what happens when you have ideology but don't have strong ties.
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Really what could basically go wrong? when you have 2 same ideology but can't get along with one common thing. This is what happens when you have ideology but don't have strong ties.
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gwho
every communist country ends up with a dictator, undergoes famine from centralized control, and is poor until they embrace capitalism.
BUT WE NEED TO TRY COMMUNISM AGAIN
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every communist country ends up with a dictator, undergoes famine from centralized control, and is poor until they embrace capitalism.
BUT WE NEED TO TRY COMMUNISM AGAIN
-_-
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RedXlV
So ironic that the split began because of Mao thinking Khrushchev was too conciliatory to the West. And then later on, Mao turned around and sided with the West against the USSR.
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So ironic that the split began because of Mao thinking Khrushchev was too conciliatory to the West. And then later on, Mao turned around and sided with the West against the USSR.
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