Why did Japan ban everyone except for the Dutch?
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Japan also cut off ties to Spain after the Spanish bombed a Japanese ship traveling to the philippine islands, and never returned the captured Japanese to Japan, thus Spain was unsafe to deal with.
For years it was told England left because they weren t making money in Japan due to the Japanese not liking the wool products the English tried to sell there, and finding it a commercial failure decided to cut losses The Dutch may have pointed out the Portugal thing too, as to Japan, they wanted to avoid dealing with dangerous countries.
Didn t know Japan & China had a falling out in the Ming Dynasty.
Date: 2023-01-08
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2: 15 Tho it is true that Portugal and England have been allies since the XIV century, from 1580 to 1640 Portugal was ruled by the spanish Habsburgs in what it is known as the Iberian Union. In the 1590s, Toyotomi Hideyoshi was already worried proselitism was nothing more than an excuse to pave the road to a full on conquest of Japan seeing how the spaniards already had conquered the Philippines a few decades prior. At the year that the Tokugawa Shogunate expelled all the europeans and closed up the country, Portugal had just declared independence from the spanish Habsburgs and was facing a war against them. Why is this important? well, because between 1580 and 1640, England was definitely not an ally of Portugal since it shared the same king as the Hispanic Monarchy.
The real reason why the english were not allowed to trade with Japan was more in line with the HUGE rivalry between England and the Netherlands in the second half of the XVII century, when they went to war 3 times between 1652 and 1674. The dutch had already defeated the portuguese in the East Indies, conquering Ceylon, Malacca and several islands of Indonesia and were not going to allow the english to join such a lucrative market. At the same time, England was by that time more interested in the sugar from the Caribbean and the pelts from North America, it wouldn't be up until the XVIII century that the East India Company would have a strong foothold in India, and by that point Japan was not an interesting market for them.
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2: 15 Tho it is true that Portugal and England have been allies since the XIV century, from 1580 to 1640 Portugal was ruled by the spanish Habsburgs in what it is known as the Iberian Union. In the 1590s, Toyotomi Hideyoshi was already worried proselitism was nothing more than an excuse to pave the road to a full on conquest of Japan seeing how the spaniards already had conquered the Philippines a few decades prior. At the year that the Tokugawa Shogunate expelled all the europeans and closed up the country, Portugal had just declared independence from the spanish Habsburgs and was facing a war against them. Why is this important? well, because between 1580 and 1640, England was definitely not an ally of Portugal since it shared the same king as the Hispanic Monarchy.
The real reason why the english were not allowed to trade with Japan was more in line with the HUGE rivalry between England and the Netherlands in the second half of the XVII century, when they went to war 3 times between 1652 and 1674. The dutch had already defeated the portuguese in the East Indies, conquering Ceylon, Malacca and several islands of Indonesia and were not going to allow the english to join such a lucrative market. At the same time, England was by that time more interested in the sugar from the Caribbean and the pelts from North America, it wouldn't be up until the XVIII century that the East India Company would have a strong foothold in India, and by that point Japan was not an interesting market for them.
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Mr.
For everyone confused about the flag (more precisely the shade of blue. The original Statenvlag (the flag of the Netherlands) didn't have defined shades, but usually had a light shade of blue. The marine flag however was a little different: because of recognisability at a large distance the shade of blue used was darker. At some point (I don't know when exactly) the marine version became the version used as the national flag. This was formalised when in the 20th century the shades of the flag were defined as 'vermilion, bright white and cobalt blue'. So long story short: that's not the flag of Luxembourg you're staring at.
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For everyone confused about the flag (more precisely the shade of blue. The original Statenvlag (the flag of the Netherlands) didn't have defined shades, but usually had a light shade of blue. The marine flag however was a little different: because of recognisability at a large distance the shade of blue used was darker. At some point (I don't know when exactly) the marine version became the version used as the national flag. This was formalised when in the 20th century the shades of the flag were defined as 'vermilion, bright white and cobalt blue'. So long story short: that's not the flag of Luxembourg you're staring at.
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Bennu
The Portuguese were accepted too. The Portuguese were also the first Europeans to set foot in Japan. Tempura was actually adapted by the Japanese from the Portuguese. We have a dish that s served commonly during the Easter season that s exactly what tempura is. Tempura was basically a made up word for the Japanese version (I imagine it s because saying the Portuguese word for it was tricky) and the rest writes itself. I believe the city of Nagasaki you ll find Portuguese influence in Japan where basically the relationship was trading between merchants of Portugal and Japan. So just the Dutch my ass
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The Portuguese were accepted too. The Portuguese were also the first Europeans to set foot in Japan. Tempura was actually adapted by the Japanese from the Portuguese. We have a dish that s served commonly during the Easter season that s exactly what tempura is. Tempura was basically a made up word for the Japanese version (I imagine it s because saying the Portuguese word for it was tricky) and the rest writes itself. I believe the city of Nagasaki you ll find Portuguese influence in Japan where basically the relationship was trading between merchants of Portugal and Japan. So just the Dutch my ass
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ThunderEagle
I'm not so sure about the Dutch and Japanese officially not being friends. I vaguely remember a story of some high-ranking Japanese visiting the Netherlands in the 1700's. At one point they talked to a landowner in Amsterdam asking ''do you even sell your land to someone like me'' on to which the Dutch landlord said ''yes as long you're paying'', which surprised the Japanese convoy.
To bad I can't remember the name of this story.
Japan has also a lot of loanwords from the Dutch language, which apparently never bothered the Shogun.
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I'm not so sure about the Dutch and Japanese officially not being friends. I vaguely remember a story of some high-ranking Japanese visiting the Netherlands in the 1700's. At one point they talked to a landowner in Amsterdam asking ''do you even sell your land to someone like me'' on to which the Dutch landlord said ''yes as long you're paying'', which surprised the Japanese convoy.
To bad I can't remember the name of this story.
Japan has also a lot of loanwords from the Dutch language, which apparently never bothered the Shogun.
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Luboman411
Japan banned everyone but the Dutch because the Spanish, Portuguese, English and French were a tad too happy converting Japanese folks to Christianity. And this was a massive political and social threat to the Tokugawa shogun after 1600. The Dutch, on the other hand, had shown themselves to be only interested in two things--commerce and money-making. So the shogun felt that they were a safe European nation to continue trading with. All the other European nations were banned and Japanese Christians were rounded up and killed.
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Japan banned everyone but the Dutch because the Spanish, Portuguese, English and French were a tad too happy converting Japanese folks to Christianity. And this was a massive political and social threat to the Tokugawa shogun after 1600. The Dutch, on the other hand, had shown themselves to be only interested in two things--commerce and money-making. So the shogun felt that they were a safe European nation to continue trading with. All the other European nations were banned and Japanese Christians were rounded up and killed.
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Bert
Unsure if the story is factual, but it is said the Shogun told all foreigners to break down their settlements. While the catholics just ran out, the Dutch send over a messenger asking where they could dump the remains of the buildings. But yes, for the Dutch it was just about the money. BTW, the Dutch flag (certainly nowadays) has a darker blue, with the light-blue being used by Luxemburg.
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Unsure if the story is factual, but it is said the Shogun told all foreigners to break down their settlements. While the catholics just ran out, the Dutch send over a messenger asking where they could dump the remains of the buildings. But yes, for the Dutch it was just about the money. BTW, the Dutch flag (certainly nowadays) has a darker blue, with the light-blue being used by Luxemburg.
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12ken
I studied this in japan in japanese history class. We almost became a Christian nation, since clans that were friendly with Christian got a lot of weapons and could win wars against other clans. The Span tried to hard though, and made enemies with the government, and missionaries were prosecuted at the end, because yhey got scared Spain would make japan a colony using Christianity.
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I studied this in japan in japanese history class. We almost became a Christian nation, since clans that were friendly with Christian got a lot of weapons and could win wars against other clans. The Span tried to hard though, and made enemies with the government, and missionaries were prosecuted at the end, because yhey got scared Spain would make japan a colony using Christianity.
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Overdegrens
Where you trying to use the current Dutch flag, or the oranje vlag which could have been used around at that time period?
At the moment using the light blue is the flag of the country Luxemburg. The Netherlands use a darker shade of blue.
No worries tho, it happens a lot. Even a lot farmer confuse the flag, even so much so, that the fly the flag upside down.
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Where you trying to use the current Dutch flag, or the oranje vlag which could have been used around at that time period?
At the moment using the light blue is the flag of the country Luxemburg. The Netherlands use a darker shade of blue.
No worries tho, it happens a lot. Even a lot farmer confuse the flag, even so much so, that the fly the flag upside down.
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Ben
One of the most ironic things about Japan's isolation is that one of their motives was a worry that Christianity would displace Confucianism. The reason this is ironic is because it turns out that those two belief systems are 100% compatible.
EDIT: I got my info from ExtraHistory's playlist 'end of the samurai. If this info is wrong then take it up with them.
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One of the most ironic things about Japan's isolation is that one of their motives was a worry that Christianity would displace Confucianism. The reason this is ironic is because it turns out that those two belief systems are 100% compatible.
EDIT: I got my info from ExtraHistory's playlist 'end of the samurai. If this info is wrong then take it up with them.
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Sumpunn
Its a blasphemy you didnt the famous Captain Adams who was the first and only European to be a samurai and was a part of the inner circle of Tokugawa Iyeasu. He was instrumental in the negotiations as he was previously aligned to the Dutch and helped secure trade deal for them. He was also important in the ouster of Portuguese and Spanish Jesuits from Japan.
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Its a blasphemy you didnt the famous Captain Adams who was the first and only European to be a samurai and was a part of the inner circle of Tokugawa Iyeasu. He was instrumental in the negotiations as he was previously aligned to the Dutch and helped secure trade deal for them. He was also important in the ouster of Portuguese and Spanish Jesuits from Japan.
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JM
At least the Dutch brought some knowledge and studies from the outside world that kept Japan from being stuck as an underdeveloped medieval nation during the early industrial revolution cough cough Qing dynasty Rangaku definitely seemed to create a head start for the Japanese when they did finally open up and begin to modernize rapidly.
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At least the Dutch brought some knowledge and studies from the outside world that kept Japan from being stuck as an underdeveloped medieval nation during the early industrial revolution cough cough Qing dynasty Rangaku definitely seemed to create a head start for the Japanese when they did finally open up and begin to modernize rapidly.
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Christnappa4
Japanese upper hierarchy were quite resentful and somewhat jealous on all the power the Portuguese were amassing with their religion, but the last straw for them was the fact that Portuguese were kidnapping Japanese women for domestic labor, so that added to their perception that the Portuguese were dangerous.
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Japanese upper hierarchy were quite resentful and somewhat jealous on all the power the Portuguese were amassing with their religion, but the last straw for them was the fact that Portuguese were kidnapping Japanese women for domestic labor, so that added to their perception that the Portuguese were dangerous.
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settingsun34
But don't get confused, this is the new government, and they are very strict. So strict they closed the country. No one can leave and no one can come in. Except for the Dutch, if they want to buy and sell stuff, but they have to do it right here.
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But don't get confused, this is the new government, and they are very strict. So strict they closed the country. No one can leave and no one can come in. Except for the Dutch, if they want to buy and sell stuff, but they have to do it right here.
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Draxis32
The Dutch: Yo an American fleet is coming here, you better buy my guns to defend yourself fool
Japan: America! Never heard of it! I ain't falling for your simplistic fear-mongering capitalist sh. BOOM
Americans: HERE'S SOME FREE MARKET FOR YA!
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The Dutch: Yo an American fleet is coming here, you better buy my guns to defend yourself fool
Japan: America! Never heard of it! I ain't falling for your simplistic fear-mongering capitalist sh. BOOM
Americans: HERE'S SOME FREE MARKET FOR YA!
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