The Mystery Of The Sutton Hoo Anglo-Saxon Helmet King Arthur's Britain Timeline
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Date: 2022-07-19
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silviac221
What Pryor says about language is nonsense. Dr. Lowe just describes something familiar to linguists: the way people always acquire a second language, and how some of the features of the first language are carried over to the second one, especially after several generations of a whole population gradually losing what was their mother tongue. But she never says that this means that there wasnt an invasion. In fact a successful invasion causes the effects that she describes: a long period of contact between the language of the invader and that of the invaded nation. The invaders language usually wins, but is mixed with traces of those peoples previous language. Ask all the countries invaded by the Romans, which now speak languages derived from Latin but mixed with the local languages of a different nation in each place.
From what Dr. Lowe says, Pryor deduces something that a linguist (a philologist, actually) wouldnt even dream of: that a whole nation can CHOOSE to start speaking another language. Ridiculous, it simply wouldnt work. We should ask him if he has any theories about why and how absolutely everybody might agree to do this, especially with the poor communications and transport of the period, which kept so many people isolated from the rest in an island the size of Britain.
This is what happens when a sheep-farming archaeologist tries to draw conclusions about a discipline he doesnt know the first thing about. Or when he wants to push his own agenda.
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What Pryor says about language is nonsense. Dr. Lowe just describes something familiar to linguists: the way people always acquire a second language, and how some of the features of the first language are carried over to the second one, especially after several generations of a whole population gradually losing what was their mother tongue. But she never says that this means that there wasnt an invasion. In fact a successful invasion causes the effects that she describes: a long period of contact between the language of the invader and that of the invaded nation. The invaders language usually wins, but is mixed with traces of those peoples previous language. Ask all the countries invaded by the Romans, which now speak languages derived from Latin but mixed with the local languages of a different nation in each place.
From what Dr. Lowe says, Pryor deduces something that a linguist (a philologist, actually) wouldnt even dream of: that a whole nation can CHOOSE to start speaking another language. Ridiculous, it simply wouldnt work. We should ask him if he has any theories about why and how absolutely everybody might agree to do this, especially with the poor communications and transport of the period, which kept so many people isolated from the rest in an island the size of Britain.
This is what happens when a sheep-farming archaeologist tries to draw conclusions about a discipline he doesnt know the first thing about. Or when he wants to push his own agenda.
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Gianfranco
Has anyone checked the veracity via DNA tests.
I was born in northern Italy, but the locals always stated we are descendants of the Kimber tribe tribe, originating from Denmark at the time of the Romans.
I did a research on this, and it is confirmed that due to years of excessive rainfall in that area that ruined their crops, three cousin tribes, the Kimbers (Cimbri, the Teutones and the Ambronens, left their homeland to travel south. They were blocked by the Romans near present day Romania, and the general told them they should go to Iberia.
This they did, and stopped for a while in present Provence (Marseille was a large town) which at the time was a Greek colony, as was present date Catalunya.
The Cimbri, as the Romans called them, continued on to Iberia, but were not welcomed by the hinterland Iberians, so returned to Provence for a while, before going into Italy, via the Brenner Pass, but were defeated by the Romans in the battle in the Vercelli area, with the survivors seeking shelter in the mountains north of Verona and Vicenza.
The preamble is to explain the results of my DNA. which confirm results of mixing Scandinavian DNA with inhabitants all along the trip to Iberia. I also have 17% English DNA (but none Italian in evidence, yet they did not go there, so it could indicate that other migrations from Denmark went there.
Comments on these facts would be welcomed.
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Has anyone checked the veracity via DNA tests.
I was born in northern Italy, but the locals always stated we are descendants of the Kimber tribe tribe, originating from Denmark at the time of the Romans.
I did a research on this, and it is confirmed that due to years of excessive rainfall in that area that ruined their crops, three cousin tribes, the Kimbers (Cimbri, the Teutones and the Ambronens, left their homeland to travel south. They were blocked by the Romans near present day Romania, and the general told them they should go to Iberia.
This they did, and stopped for a while in present Provence (Marseille was a large town) which at the time was a Greek colony, as was present date Catalunya.
The Cimbri, as the Romans called them, continued on to Iberia, but were not welcomed by the hinterland Iberians, so returned to Provence for a while, before going into Italy, via the Brenner Pass, but were defeated by the Romans in the battle in the Vercelli area, with the survivors seeking shelter in the mountains north of Verona and Vicenza.
The preamble is to explain the results of my DNA. which confirm results of mixing Scandinavian DNA with inhabitants all along the trip to Iberia. I also have 17% English DNA (but none Italian in evidence, yet they did not go there, so it could indicate that other migrations from Denmark went there.
Comments on these facts would be welcomed.
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Dora
Y Chromosome data from before 2015 mixed up apples and oranges, and conclusions based on it are completely out of date. Openheimer argued about 2008, I think, that haplogroup I1 arrived in England in the Mesolithic! Didn't even exist then.
If we couldn't before 2015 tell Saxons from Vikings, there were no Saxons? That is a common classic logic error.
And when did Vikings populate southeatern England?
If Saxons did not settle in Yorkshire, they must have spoken Frisian from the Urnfield migrations between 1300 and 800 BCE. Which would be interesting indeed if that was where the Urnfielders migrated from. Current argument is they were from farther south. To be sure the Frisians might have spoken Celtic in that time.
Wait, did he just say an entire succession of people BEFORE the Saxons DID move in an just the settlement pattern did not change?
And, this argument that culture moved but its people didn't was standard academic nonsense, on any subject, of the first decade of the 21st century. I remember it SO vividly. There weren't even Indo-Europeans, don't you know. It was all cultural exchange - from the Near East!
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Y Chromosome data from before 2015 mixed up apples and oranges, and conclusions based on it are completely out of date. Openheimer argued about 2008, I think, that haplogroup I1 arrived in England in the Mesolithic! Didn't even exist then.
If we couldn't before 2015 tell Saxons from Vikings, there were no Saxons? That is a common classic logic error.
And when did Vikings populate southeatern England?
If Saxons did not settle in Yorkshire, they must have spoken Frisian from the Urnfield migrations between 1300 and 800 BCE. Which would be interesting indeed if that was where the Urnfielders migrated from. Current argument is they were from farther south. To be sure the Frisians might have spoken Celtic in that time.
Wait, did he just say an entire succession of people BEFORE the Saxons DID move in an just the settlement pattern did not change?
And, this argument that culture moved but its people didn't was standard academic nonsense, on any subject, of the first decade of the 21st century. I remember it SO vividly. There weren't even Indo-Europeans, don't you know. It was all cultural exchange - from the Near East!
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L.
There had to be a motivation for altering customs, dress and language. Either it was imposed by a different people, or it was voluntarily embraced in exchange for some benefit. most likely trade. The Romans would have brought in many goods, to which the locals became accustomed. When the Romans left, their trade network was lost to the locals. So, the gap would not have been a gap in occupation, but a gap in trade. Eagerness to form new trade networks would have motivated locals to learn new languages, adopt new customs and, as we would say, dress for success. Coastal towns and forts would have enabled receipt of trade goods and transport throughout the interior of the country. Soldiers or guards, and servants, might accompany shipments, wealthy traders and foreign leaders negotiating agreements. And the desire to participate in trade would have attracted people elsewhere in Britain. So, it's quite easy to explain all of the new discoveries. I was surprised that the documentary did not make more of this clear. Rather, they devoted their effort to knocking down the old theory.
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There had to be a motivation for altering customs, dress and language. Either it was imposed by a different people, or it was voluntarily embraced in exchange for some benefit. most likely trade. The Romans would have brought in many goods, to which the locals became accustomed. When the Romans left, their trade network was lost to the locals. So, the gap would not have been a gap in occupation, but a gap in trade. Eagerness to form new trade networks would have motivated locals to learn new languages, adopt new customs and, as we would say, dress for success. Coastal towns and forts would have enabled receipt of trade goods and transport throughout the interior of the country. Soldiers or guards, and servants, might accompany shipments, wealthy traders and foreign leaders negotiating agreements. And the desire to participate in trade would have attracted people elsewhere in Britain. So, it's quite easy to explain all of the new discoveries. I was surprised that the documentary did not make more of this clear. Rather, they devoted their effort to knocking down the old theory.
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Esmeralda
Sad to see how unscientific his approach was. if he wanted to know what happens to a country when the armed forces of the invader are being removed, without it being an active wartime, ask the Germans what happend to their cities when the allied armed forces wer removed after the fall of the iron curtain? Ask them and hear how the towns struggled when suddenly the incomes that the soldiers spent in their supermarkets and their pubs suddenly fell away, ask them how it felt to see so many houses suddenly left empty, and how that affected the value of the houses surrounding such estates? Ask, don't just imagine and declare that imagination law.
I am really upset, I used to hold him in high regard, I do not anymore.
Yes the romans leaving left a gap in the income, and empty houses, it left space for others to move in.
In germany the estates once populated by the allied armed forces (not just british, but americans, dutch, french) were filled with refugees, and that really changed the living standards in those towns.
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Sad to see how unscientific his approach was. if he wanted to know what happens to a country when the armed forces of the invader are being removed, without it being an active wartime, ask the Germans what happend to their cities when the allied armed forces wer removed after the fall of the iron curtain? Ask them and hear how the towns struggled when suddenly the incomes that the soldiers spent in their supermarkets and their pubs suddenly fell away, ask them how it felt to see so many houses suddenly left empty, and how that affected the value of the houses surrounding such estates? Ask, don't just imagine and declare that imagination law.
I am really upset, I used to hold him in high regard, I do not anymore.
Yes the romans leaving left a gap in the income, and empty houses, it left space for others to move in.
In germany the estates once populated by the allied armed forces (not just british, but americans, dutch, french) were filled with refugees, and that really changed the living standards in those towns.
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Thomas
If you look at the Norman invasion, you find one major battle and then a longer term process where the Normans more or less peacefully took control of the larger country. The key to this was, IMO, that the rise of the Normans brought with it a long period of relative peace which promoted economic progress for the whole of the country. I would suggest that the Anglo Saxon invasion could well have followed this pattern. I am also reminded of Gibbon's accounts of the French who, accustomed to Roman civilization, accepted the wandering tribes that were more warlike as an exchange of a source of protection which the Roman Army had supplied until the fall of the economic system of the Empire in the West. Land was traded for services provided, and a working arrangement was arrived at by the parties involved. The new strangers may have been less cultured, but they established the force necessary to protect the existing culture from further invasion and warfare.
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If you look at the Norman invasion, you find one major battle and then a longer term process where the Normans more or less peacefully took control of the larger country. The key to this was, IMO, that the rise of the Normans brought with it a long period of relative peace which promoted economic progress for the whole of the country. I would suggest that the Anglo Saxon invasion could well have followed this pattern. I am also reminded of Gibbon's accounts of the French who, accustomed to Roman civilization, accepted the wandering tribes that were more warlike as an exchange of a source of protection which the Roman Army had supplied until the fall of the economic system of the Empire in the West. Land was traded for services provided, and a working arrangement was arrived at by the parties involved. The new strangers may have been less cultured, but they established the force necessary to protect the existing culture from further invasion and warfare.
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Sean
Interesting as are most documentaries, but rubbish.
The romanized brits were what they were. the saxons invaded them AS they invaded mainland Europe.
There sufficient evidence of this from the more civilized Norman's to the conquest of Sicily by these saxons.
The language does not change from Celtic to Latin dialects for fun n surely not to a Germania early English.
It's not reasonable to voluntarily through one's past n language away without conflict.
Romanized British were probably stunned by the end of Roman rule.
The nearly 400 years of peace n education could not be lost so easily.
If the legions left. if that's even what they were so was toggle the defenses
They base so much of this show on a single tract of villiages without a violent past.
I say that this tract fell early n without conflict.
Well time shall tell
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Interesting as are most documentaries, but rubbish.
The romanized brits were what they were. the saxons invaded them AS they invaded mainland Europe.
There sufficient evidence of this from the more civilized Norman's to the conquest of Sicily by these saxons.
The language does not change from Celtic to Latin dialects for fun n surely not to a Germania early English.
It's not reasonable to voluntarily through one's past n language away without conflict.
Romanized British were probably stunned by the end of Roman rule.
The nearly 400 years of peace n education could not be lost so easily.
If the legions left. if that's even what they were so was toggle the defenses
They base so much of this show on a single tract of villiages without a violent past.
I say that this tract fell early n without conflict.
Well time shall tell
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Martina
Of course it must have been emigrate people from other countries.
You can compare the Old English Language with Low German Language - its remarkable how many words are from the same origin!
I don't believe in that one population comes from nothing - it's impossible!
Always people explore and you can find out it in the genes even after many centuries!
Also it's not true that England was the only country with hat not a romance Language - what is about the countries in the Middle and the North of Continental-Europe?
The German and Scandinavian languages are ALL NOT of Roman origin.
They sure have many latin / Roman leanwords, and it's the same in the english Language - and it's a natural process!
So I am wondering about the Statements from some scientists in the Video about the dark ages!
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Of course it must have been emigrate people from other countries.
You can compare the Old English Language with Low German Language - its remarkable how many words are from the same origin!
I don't believe in that one population comes from nothing - it's impossible!
Always people explore and you can find out it in the genes even after many centuries!
Also it's not true that England was the only country with hat not a romance Language - what is about the countries in the Middle and the North of Continental-Europe?
The German and Scandinavian languages are ALL NOT of Roman origin.
They sure have many latin / Roman leanwords, and it's the same in the english Language - and it's a natural process!
So I am wondering about the Statements from some scientists in the Video about the dark ages!
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theCosmicQueen
the dna was done, and the Celtic men's is missing. the Saxon men's is totally dominant on the male side. That says they took the women from the celtic men, maybe they also killed the men. Either that or the celtic women found the Saxon men more attractive or married them instead of thier cousins. Just in time to add some different fresh blood and dna over the possibly inbred type they had from living on an island. ( the Anglo Saxon NW germanic men were known to be also extremely promiscuous, as i recall, and it also figures, with the American ones i know of. really very amorous, quite spontaneous, and very nice to women. and not afraid to ask. Not about to waste any time. lol. May have sowed many a wild oat, and that saying DID come from the English language.
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the dna was done, and the Celtic men's is missing. the Saxon men's is totally dominant on the male side. That says they took the women from the celtic men, maybe they also killed the men. Either that or the celtic women found the Saxon men more attractive or married them instead of thier cousins. Just in time to add some different fresh blood and dna over the possibly inbred type they had from living on an island. ( the Anglo Saxon NW germanic men were known to be also extremely promiscuous, as i recall, and it also figures, with the American ones i know of. really very amorous, quite spontaneous, and very nice to women. and not afraid to ask. Not about to waste any time. lol. May have sowed many a wild oat, and that saying DID come from the English language.
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Ricky
the academics have all these stories written down which are based off very little evidence, but they have a massive interest in not having their fake stories challenged. The conversation around 6: 00 is such a standard response give by academics. i realize that there are massive holes in my story and that you have evidence to prove otherwise, but it is still the BEST explanation. then proceeds to tell the guy that his view is just the view of a lowly farmer. Most mainstream archeology is complete rubbish because once the story is written down and sold in the textbooks then the academics call any new findings a conspiracy to discredit the truth so they can keep a monopoly on history with their fake stories. so who are the ones truly involved in a conspiracy.
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the academics have all these stories written down which are based off very little evidence, but they have a massive interest in not having their fake stories challenged. The conversation around 6: 00 is such a standard response give by academics. i realize that there are massive holes in my story and that you have evidence to prove otherwise, but it is still the BEST explanation. then proceeds to tell the guy that his view is just the view of a lowly farmer. Most mainstream archeology is complete rubbish because once the story is written down and sold in the textbooks then the academics call any new findings a conspiracy to discredit the truth so they can keep a monopoly on history with their fake stories. so who are the ones truly involved in a conspiracy.
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oesypum
What no one has addressed is why this migration took place, what inspired them to make the journey, there must have been some incentive, some inducement. Typically those immigrating assimilate the culture, and language of their chosen destination, whereas in this case, the indigenous peoples adopted, or were absorbed into the culture and language of the migrants, neither of which has been addressed, let alone researched. Why has no joint study been undertaken with Denmark, Germany, or the Netherlands, it would need to be multi-disciplinary. Is it lack of funding, lack of interest, or what? My own feeling is that many of the answers we seek, will be found in the course of such an undertaking.
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What no one has addressed is why this migration took place, what inspired them to make the journey, there must have been some incentive, some inducement. Typically those immigrating assimilate the culture, and language of their chosen destination, whereas in this case, the indigenous peoples adopted, or were absorbed into the culture and language of the migrants, neither of which has been addressed, let alone researched. Why has no joint study been undertaken with Denmark, Germany, or the Netherlands, it would need to be multi-disciplinary. Is it lack of funding, lack of interest, or what? My own feeling is that many of the answers we seek, will be found in the course of such an undertaking.
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Julia
I cant comment on whether the Anglo-Saxon invasion was a real thing or not (although there does seem to be reason to consider alternative theories) but the Victorians had a very good reason to glorify the idea of a Germanic invasion: the entire royal family was German. Both the houses of Hanover and that of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha were imports from Germany, which after the final disintegration of the Holy Roman Empire didnt have a heck of a lot to be proud of, being essentially a collection of micro-states and principalities. Germany was more of an idea than a reality at that point, but ideas have power and people swallow them more easily when theyre sugar coated
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I cant comment on whether the Anglo-Saxon invasion was a real thing or not (although there does seem to be reason to consider alternative theories) but the Victorians had a very good reason to glorify the idea of a Germanic invasion: the entire royal family was German. Both the houses of Hanover and that of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha were imports from Germany, which after the final disintegration of the Holy Roman Empire didnt have a heck of a lot to be proud of, being essentially a collection of micro-states and principalities. Germany was more of an idea than a reality at that point, but ideas have power and people swallow them more easily when theyre sugar coated
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GoGreen77
I'm an American, with many of my ancestors arriving here nearly 300 years ago. My DNA is essentially a mish mash of those already in Britain at the time the Romans arrived and then those that came after the Romans left. The only outlier is my Dutch grandmother whose DNA contribution to mine doesn't look any different than my Anglo-Saxon/Scandinavian/French (Huguenot, most likely) ancestors who came from/through Britain. Obviously, to one extent or another, members of those various groups got along enough to lead to me!
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I'm an American, with many of my ancestors arriving here nearly 300 years ago. My DNA is essentially a mish mash of those already in Britain at the time the Romans arrived and then those that came after the Romans left. The only outlier is my Dutch grandmother whose DNA contribution to mine doesn't look any different than my Anglo-Saxon/Scandinavian/French (Huguenot, most likely) ancestors who came from/through Britain. Obviously, to one extent or another, members of those various groups got along enough to lead to me!
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Noel
This thesis is laughable, coming as it does in the context of the maelstrom of 'BREXIT', where aggressively nationalistic brexiteers were asserting their total separateness from Europe. The assertion of separateness and superiority were used to justify invasion, conquest, occupation and subjugation of Ireland and the Irish over the last 850 years. Yet, britain will not give up their drowning man's grasp on the North Eastern Six Counties of Ireland, lest some of her plumage & power be removed from her mantle.
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This thesis is laughable, coming as it does in the context of the maelstrom of 'BREXIT', where aggressively nationalistic brexiteers were asserting their total separateness from Europe. The assertion of separateness and superiority were used to justify invasion, conquest, occupation and subjugation of Ireland and the Irish over the last 850 years. Yet, britain will not give up their drowning man's grasp on the North Eastern Six Counties of Ireland, lest some of her plumage & power be removed from her mantle.
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kevin
Just another English historian legitimising Anglo Saxon ethnic cleansing of the native British population. An estimated pre invasion population of two million Britons disappeared along with their DNA. The irony is that the English only began to describe themselves as British around 150 years ago during the height of the British empire. Then they voted to get Brexit done to keep the foreigners out. King Arthur had the right idea about pushing these arrogant Germanic raiders back into the sea.
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Just another English historian legitimising Anglo Saxon ethnic cleansing of the native British population. An estimated pre invasion population of two million Britons disappeared along with their DNA. The irony is that the English only began to describe themselves as British around 150 years ago during the height of the British empire. Then they voted to get Brexit done to keep the foreigners out. King Arthur had the right idea about pushing these arrogant Germanic raiders back into the sea.
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Tigger
Love this, and also really respect Francis Prior. However, to say that Britain was not invaded after the Romans is pure fantasy! Of course we were! We have been invaded for years by different cultures and tribes. Oh look a woman from another country who doesn't fit into our understanding of ancient Britain! Apologies, people but of course we have been invaded, taken over and subjected to other people's ways of living. I personally love the fact we are all from different cultures. Rock on!
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Love this, and also really respect Francis Prior. However, to say that Britain was not invaded after the Romans is pure fantasy! Of course we were! We have been invaded for years by different cultures and tribes. Oh look a woman from another country who doesn't fit into our understanding of ancient Britain! Apologies, people but of course we have been invaded, taken over and subjected to other people's ways of living. I personally love the fact we are all from different cultures. Rock on!
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AryanSupremacy
What started out as an interesting idea on the history of Britain ended up being a disappointing left-wing woke commercial for immigration/integration that is destroying the very soul of Britain, Europe and America. I believe that DNA research will eventually give the truth of history, but only if the woke left doesn't suppress the findings and advanced their fake histories to fit their hatred of everything Caucasian.
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What started out as an interesting idea on the history of Britain ended up being a disappointing left-wing woke commercial for immigration/integration that is destroying the very soul of Britain, Europe and America. I believe that DNA research will eventually give the truth of history, but only if the woke left doesn't suppress the findings and advanced their fake histories to fit their hatred of everything Caucasian.
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Haroldo
This theory reeks of a typical leftist historical revisionism that wants to destroy classical culture as has been happening throughout the western world in recent decades. The most radical are already burning the statues of Columbus in America. If the English language has Germanic roots, how did this happen? An invasion need not be violent. It would be a great migration of landless settlers.
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This theory reeks of a typical leftist historical revisionism that wants to destroy classical culture as has been happening throughout the western world in recent decades. The most radical are already burning the statues of Columbus in America. If the English language has Germanic roots, how did this happen? An invasion need not be violent. It would be a great migration of landless settlers.
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Gunship
There were Anglo Saxon invaders and King Arthur was there to make war against the Anglo Saxon invaders. After King Arthur beat the invading Anglo Saxons then he started a company and called it King Arthur Flour and all was nice with the world and the Britains had all the flour they could eat. They used it to make cakes and bread, scones and all manner of treats.
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There were Anglo Saxon invaders and King Arthur was there to make war against the Anglo Saxon invaders. After King Arthur beat the invading Anglo Saxons then he started a company and called it King Arthur Flour and all was nice with the world and the Britains had all the flour they could eat. They used it to make cakes and bread, scones and all manner of treats.
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BatM
Excellent documentary BUT could we try something new? Usually with these videos we see the same objects helmets bangles etc. Could we have a few people go down into the stores and take objects that haven't seen daylight for decades and use these for an interesting vid? I know these objects exist I used to have a scientist partner. Thank you.
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Excellent documentary BUT could we try something new? Usually with these videos we see the same objects helmets bangles etc. Could we have a few people go down into the stores and take objects that haven't seen daylight for decades and use these for an interesting vid? I know these objects exist I used to have a scientist partner. Thank you.
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