Why The Dark Ages Were Actually A Time Of Great Achievement King Arthur's Britain Timeline
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Date: 2022-07-19
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Chris
I have to say that this is the most revisionist piece ever produced. I have say if the Anglo Saxons are to be portrayed as economic migrants to the British Isles, contrary to centuries of accepted wisdom, then we can dub the British as economic beggars to countries that they invaded, they only did that so that they could plunder and steal like any common felon, strip those countries bare and leave with their plunder. The greatest felon of all of them is Queen Victoria. Her statues ought to be stripped from their pedestals and thrown into the gutters as we are doing with the statues of the slave owners of the US. She and all of her fellow generals and thugs who plundered so many countries and stripped them of all of their wealth and impoverished them for generations to come, ought to be placed in the dungeons of history. Why cannot the British accept that they were plundered and weakened and it was the Anglo Saxons who gave them their live giving genes. This is an utterly despicable piece of history and is being created to pander to the sagging British ego now that it is no longer a major player in the World stage, with that buffoon you have in the Prime Ministers mansion! Migrants, indeed!
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I have to say that this is the most revisionist piece ever produced. I have say if the Anglo Saxons are to be portrayed as economic migrants to the British Isles, contrary to centuries of accepted wisdom, then we can dub the British as economic beggars to countries that they invaded, they only did that so that they could plunder and steal like any common felon, strip those countries bare and leave with their plunder. The greatest felon of all of them is Queen Victoria. Her statues ought to be stripped from their pedestals and thrown into the gutters as we are doing with the statues of the slave owners of the US. She and all of her fellow generals and thugs who plundered so many countries and stripped them of all of their wealth and impoverished them for generations to come, ought to be placed in the dungeons of history. Why cannot the British accept that they were plundered and weakened and it was the Anglo Saxons who gave them their live giving genes. This is an utterly despicable piece of history and is being created to pander to the sagging British ego now that it is no longer a major player in the World stage, with that buffoon you have in the Prime Ministers mansion! Migrants, indeed!
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education
I still find it strange that if we were so learned and industrious even AFTER the legions left, why did road and sanitation infrastructure collapse? If we were still actively trading with Eastern Rome and everyone in between why could we not have maintained the skilled labour to keep these structures working rather than bodging the bits that broke off until it got so bad we moved back into mud huts?
Surely they would have seen all these fantastic structures and thought 'these are still pretty useful and/or nice to live in. Maybe I should keep up the maintenance'.
Thats bit I don't understand. Even road infrastructure.
There must have been some extended period of anarchy for local powers to think 'this damaged bit of road isn't my problem' until it was too far gone.
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I still find it strange that if we were so learned and industrious even AFTER the legions left, why did road and sanitation infrastructure collapse? If we were still actively trading with Eastern Rome and everyone in between why could we not have maintained the skilled labour to keep these structures working rather than bodging the bits that broke off until it got so bad we moved back into mud huts?
Surely they would have seen all these fantastic structures and thought 'these are still pretty useful and/or nice to live in. Maybe I should keep up the maintenance'.
Thats bit I don't understand. Even road infrastructure.
There must have been some extended period of anarchy for local powers to think 'this damaged bit of road isn't my problem' until it was too far gone.
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Annie
Dark Ages? Only because their was no writing in these years. Before and after yes, during? No! Look at the jewellery found in the hoards discovered in the very late 20th & 21st Century, and theres a very different story. The jewellery is exquisite, broaches, sword hilts & necklaces with such fine workmanship that modern jewellers cannot reproduce it. The magnification needed to see it in all its glory, is astounding! How it was made in a time without even glass, never mind magnifying glass, is not known. You cannot see the intricacies with the naked eye. The gold filagree work, tiny cut garnets and carvings on tiny gems, are just beautiful. These times are misnamed!
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Dark Ages? Only because their was no writing in these years. Before and after yes, during? No! Look at the jewellery found in the hoards discovered in the very late 20th & 21st Century, and theres a very different story. The jewellery is exquisite, broaches, sword hilts & necklaces with such fine workmanship that modern jewellers cannot reproduce it. The magnification needed to see it in all its glory, is astounding! How it was made in a time without even glass, never mind magnifying glass, is not known. You cannot see the intricacies with the naked eye. The gold filagree work, tiny cut garnets and carvings on tiny gems, are just beautiful. These times are misnamed!
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Robin
Arthur was the eldest son of Aiden MacGabran, king of the Del Riada Scots, whose name is on record as Artur. As son of the king, he was not a king himself, as we know Arthur wasn't - he was a general or War Leader and the best of those available, even though there were men greater than he, that he nevertheless commanded. Thus the alliance he headed would have been between the Scots and the Britons of Strathclyde. We know the alliance fought the Anglo-Saxons on the one hand and the Picts on the other, so would have to have been between the two, which would put the Round Table and Camelotin Edinburgh.
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Arthur was the eldest son of Aiden MacGabran, king of the Del Riada Scots, whose name is on record as Artur. As son of the king, he was not a king himself, as we know Arthur wasn't - he was a general or War Leader and the best of those available, even though there were men greater than he, that he nevertheless commanded. Thus the alliance he headed would have been between the Scots and the Britons of Strathclyde. We know the alliance fought the Anglo-Saxons on the one hand and the Picts on the other, so would have to have been between the two, which would put the Round Table and Camelotin Edinburgh.
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Annie
Tintagel has slate, massive slate quarries, less tin! Tin was far more plentiful and efficiently mined further down the county, in Redruth, Camborne and the Penzance area. Thats where ships from Mesopotamia came, and exchanged goods & pottery, for tin, as far back as the Bronze Age, see the Bronze Age settlement of Chysauster, near Madron & Penzance. These beads have also been found, in their thousands, on The Scilly Isles. In Beady Pool, on the island of St Agnes, they can still be found. The trade for Cornish tin has been going on for literally thousands of years!
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Tintagel has slate, massive slate quarries, less tin! Tin was far more plentiful and efficiently mined further down the county, in Redruth, Camborne and the Penzance area. Thats where ships from Mesopotamia came, and exchanged goods & pottery, for tin, as far back as the Bronze Age, see the Bronze Age settlement of Chysauster, near Madron & Penzance. These beads have also been found, in their thousands, on The Scilly Isles. In Beady Pool, on the island of St Agnes, they can still be found. The trade for Cornish tin has been going on for literally thousands of years!
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Tony
Entertaining, but let's be frank. It's legal to lie about it. Modern science and archeology has proven history books wrong so many times, our government had to create laws to allow lies and manipulation that fall under In the best interest of the people in 2012. A Sharp contrast to the smith-mundt act of 1948 that use to protect Americans from the use of all forms of media for government lies and manipulation. But quickly became a slap in the face of all that suffered during the Holocaust. Modernization act of 2012 section marked General Authorization.
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Entertaining, but let's be frank. It's legal to lie about it. Modern science and archeology has proven history books wrong so many times, our government had to create laws to allow lies and manipulation that fall under In the best interest of the people in 2012. A Sharp contrast to the smith-mundt act of 1948 that use to protect Americans from the use of all forms of media for government lies and manipulation. But quickly became a slap in the face of all that suffered during the Holocaust. Modernization act of 2012 section marked General Authorization.
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Paul
Some comments relating to this very interesting programme: After the Romans departed Britain the countryside did not revert to forest - true. The very name England is Old Norse for Meadow Land (and not the land of the Angles) this name for the country was Old Norse for what had been called Anglia. In modern Danish Eng means meadow (pronounced Ing as in England. The legend of King Arthur was unknown in Britain until the 9th Century and was introduced by the Norse (Viking) invaders. The Dark Ages in Britain only started in 1066.
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Some comments relating to this very interesting programme: After the Romans departed Britain the countryside did not revert to forest - true. The very name England is Old Norse for Meadow Land (and not the land of the Angles) this name for the country was Old Norse for what had been called Anglia. In modern Danish Eng means meadow (pronounced Ing as in England. The legend of King Arthur was unknown in Britain until the 9th Century and was introduced by the Norse (Viking) invaders. The Dark Ages in Britain only started in 1066.
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Marcus
Id always believed that the dark ages was a misnomer. That the dark ages didnt actually mean a time of going backwards for centuries with nothing happy or good/inventions or educational to come form that time period but the term dark ages truly just means after the mass production of everything Romans hat also wrote everything of existence down to a time of little or no archeological evidence and no atleast surviving historical texts to look to as had gracefully
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Id always believed that the dark ages was a misnomer. That the dark ages didnt actually mean a time of going backwards for centuries with nothing happy or good/inventions or educational to come form that time period but the term dark ages truly just means after the mass production of everything Romans hat also wrote everything of existence down to a time of little or no archeological evidence and no atleast surviving historical texts to look to as had gracefully
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John
The period became named the Dark Ages because of the lack of written records compared with the Roman period and the later Middle Ages. There are some written records such as the History of the Anglo Saxons by Bede. But Bede was not an Anglo Saxon and so we need to treat this as possible propaganda. Where documents and words carved on stone do exist they show a very high level of literacy. Modern archeology and DNA have helped to shine a light onto the period.
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The period became named the Dark Ages because of the lack of written records compared with the Roman period and the later Middle Ages. There are some written records such as the History of the Anglo Saxons by Bede. But Bede was not an Anglo Saxon and so we need to treat this as possible propaganda. Where documents and words carved on stone do exist they show a very high level of literacy. Modern archeology and DNA have helped to shine a light onto the period.
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Stella
Fascinating stuff, but I really dont see why its surprising that the way of life, farming, trading, etc, after 400 years didnt completely collapse with the withdrawal of the Romans. Of course they didnt! Also worth mentioning that there was much intermarriage between Romans and native Britons, and also a great many Roman invaders who decided to settle here, married into local communities, had children here, or whatever, were part of this dark age society.
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Fascinating stuff, but I really dont see why its surprising that the way of life, farming, trading, etc, after 400 years didnt completely collapse with the withdrawal of the Romans. Of course they didnt! Also worth mentioning that there was much intermarriage between Romans and native Britons, and also a great many Roman invaders who decided to settle here, married into local communities, had children here, or whatever, were part of this dark age society.
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peter
The early Dark Ages with the fall of the Roman Empire the two years with no sun due to the Krakato volcano then the Justinian plague were not Dark, they were black & that persisted for hundreds of years as if forever. I'm not sure when that relaxed & the dim light of a few candles flickered again but anyone who denies this is talking twaddle & codswallop in a sandwich of crapola.
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The early Dark Ages with the fall of the Roman Empire the two years with no sun due to the Krakato volcano then the Justinian plague were not Dark, they were black & that persisted for hundreds of years as if forever. I'm not sure when that relaxed & the dim light of a few candles flickered again but anyone who denies this is talking twaddle & codswallop in a sandwich of crapola.
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Michael
Makes perfect sense! Within ten years of the 'Roman' Army's departure, Britainia would have had a new generation of young ready-made Romanized' males, well able to protect public order, the major trade interests within their regions and their valuable connections to the continent. Kingdoms emerged out of the power centres that would naturally have developed over time.
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Makes perfect sense! Within ten years of the 'Roman' Army's departure, Britainia would have had a new generation of young ready-made Romanized' males, well able to protect public order, the major trade interests within their regions and their valuable connections to the continent. Kingdoms emerged out of the power centres that would naturally have developed over time.
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Steven
I'm really baffled by this.
Whilst I can swallow the idea that the dark ages were not nearly the full stop that they were once believed to be (though I always intuitively believed that to be unlikely, how can evidence of the subsistent survival of a culture be considered, a time of great achievement. No argument with any specific point, but a bizarre summation.
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I'm really baffled by this.
Whilst I can swallow the idea that the dark ages were not nearly the full stop that they were once believed to be (though I always intuitively believed that to be unlikely, how can evidence of the subsistent survival of a culture be considered, a time of great achievement. No argument with any specific point, but a bizarre summation.
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axl
I find the similarities between Britain and Romania. Both conquered by Romans. Both romanised. Both abandoned but later picked up by the other half of the Roman Empire. But what I find most common about our 2 countries, is the impossibility to actually discern what was before the romans. Since one roman said: history is written by the victor. And that shows.
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I find the similarities between Britain and Romania. Both conquered by Romans. Both romanised. Both abandoned but later picked up by the other half of the Roman Empire. But what I find most common about our 2 countries, is the impossibility to actually discern what was before the romans. Since one roman said: history is written by the victor. And that shows.
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No
There was certainly a Dark Age precipitated by the Roman Empire's collapse. The actual myth worth debunking is that the Middle Ages were a period of stagnation as modern scholars used to assume, when in fact the era saw steady progress from the collapse on, including in the Dark Ages (early Middle Ages, as Christian monks rebooted Western Civilization.
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There was certainly a Dark Age precipitated by the Roman Empire's collapse. The actual myth worth debunking is that the Middle Ages were a period of stagnation as modern scholars used to assume, when in fact the era saw steady progress from the collapse on, including in the Dark Ages (early Middle Ages, as Christian monks rebooted Western Civilization.
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Michael
Came across a website last year suggesting that some of the dialects here in the old colonies of America are more 'Shakespeare-like' than the tongue an average modern Brit today. An oddity to muse about and perhaps another indirect confirmation of the essential thesis & implications of this excellent presentation. Bravo 'Time Line'!
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Came across a website last year suggesting that some of the dialects here in the old colonies of America are more 'Shakespeare-like' than the tongue an average modern Brit today. An oddity to muse about and perhaps another indirect confirmation of the essential thesis & implications of this excellent presentation. Bravo 'Time Line'!
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Styx
I think all up and down the coast as you said each village or maybe proto-manor house/estate had its own Arthur. and so by the time it was finally written and codified. What they all read or heard about they would think, of there own personal Arthur. Making it easier to sink into the collective conversation/zeitgeist
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I think all up and down the coast as you said each village or maybe proto-manor house/estate had its own Arthur. and so by the time it was finally written and codified. What they all read or heard about they would think, of there own personal Arthur. Making it easier to sink into the collective conversation/zeitgeist
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Andy
I love how the comments section on any video invariably descends into an argument between one person/group that knows better than another person/group. It can be about the best way to boil an egg or the significance of the Industrial Revolution in the development of technology, people always end up having a toot.
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I love how the comments section on any video invariably descends into an argument between one person/group that knows better than another person/group. It can be about the best way to boil an egg or the significance of the Industrial Revolution in the development of technology, people always end up having a toot.
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education
Saw the title and laughed. My understanding is the dark ages are a period where we have little knowledge due to the suppression by religion.
I'll watch and see if I'm wrong.
I'm formally proposing that the period from 2015 - ( until the drumpf influence ends) be named the age of insanity.
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Saw the title and laughed. My understanding is the dark ages are a period where we have little knowledge due to the suppression by religion.
I'll watch and see if I'm wrong.
I'm formally proposing that the period from 2015 - ( until the drumpf influence ends) be named the age of insanity.
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Pau
the most foolish and unashamedly nationalist piece of Pop History I've watched in years. Forget about Charles Martel, for these provincial history professors, Europe was invented right here, in their small, rainy, tea sipping British town. Sad and ridiculously funny at the same time.
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the most foolish and unashamedly nationalist piece of Pop History I've watched in years. Forget about Charles Martel, for these provincial history professors, Europe was invented right here, in their small, rainy, tea sipping British town. Sad and ridiculously funny at the same time.
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