What Happened During the Final Hours of the Civil War
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Date: 2022-12-29
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Carl
the worst part of the story is. they were right. States rights are more powerful than FEDERAL rights. States rules are of higher value than FEDERAL rules. Why should a man in Vermont tell us how to sell our cotton in Georgai? He has lost not a drop of sweat, nor drove a plow for it, yet bangs his fist to obtain currency from labor he wishes to control, yet understands nothing of how to grow it, the people that do it, and those that work it. The beginning of tyranny is when men who are not attached to the work wish to seize and control the outcome of our land, effort and labor.
As we move forward to the balkanization of states, it appears that states that are like minded, share values, and people have something to offer will bind together and effectively run a parallel society. Which will, of course, be called names because normal people with critical thinking and common sense simply do not want to pay, fight, or be controlled by people who do not wish to work, but to have spoils of the labor, regardless of where this is done, in order to feel morally superior; how people with no morals can feel superior makes no sense to people like us.
The only concern to me is how states that are like minded that are not contiguous will be able to work together at a distance. Probably a small matter, but looks considerable to me.
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the worst part of the story is. they were right. States rights are more powerful than FEDERAL rights. States rules are of higher value than FEDERAL rules. Why should a man in Vermont tell us how to sell our cotton in Georgai? He has lost not a drop of sweat, nor drove a plow for it, yet bangs his fist to obtain currency from labor he wishes to control, yet understands nothing of how to grow it, the people that do it, and those that work it. The beginning of tyranny is when men who are not attached to the work wish to seize and control the outcome of our land, effort and labor.
As we move forward to the balkanization of states, it appears that states that are like minded, share values, and people have something to offer will bind together and effectively run a parallel society. Which will, of course, be called names because normal people with critical thinking and common sense simply do not want to pay, fight, or be controlled by people who do not wish to work, but to have spoils of the labor, regardless of where this is done, in order to feel morally superior; how people with no morals can feel superior makes no sense to people like us.
The only concern to me is how states that are like minded that are not contiguous will be able to work together at a distance. Probably a small matter, but looks considerable to me.
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paul4utica
If the account that was summarized in this presentation were true and accurate, then yes, Lee did needlessly sacrifice many lives of the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia. Was it pride, ego, obstinance? Maybe all of the above. Did Lee actually know it was the end of the line and yet did not surrender? Lee seems to have been a very effective leader, but leadership is a scourge. Meaning, it's not about you, the leader, it's about those you lead and their well-being at all times. He should have ended the war days earlier to prevent needless deaths on both sides - it was in his authority to do so, and it was his duty the second he realized it was a lost cause as his responsibility to the men that followed him was paramount. Slavery aside, I have always been sympathetic to the Southern cause against the War of Northern Aggression from a Constitutional perspective. Constitutionality and principals aside, Lee, as with most good leaders, should have listened to his closest and most trusted subordinates - his generals who all appeared to have echoed the same thing in the last days - it was a lost cause.
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If the account that was summarized in this presentation were true and accurate, then yes, Lee did needlessly sacrifice many lives of the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia. Was it pride, ego, obstinance? Maybe all of the above. Did Lee actually know it was the end of the line and yet did not surrender? Lee seems to have been a very effective leader, but leadership is a scourge. Meaning, it's not about you, the leader, it's about those you lead and their well-being at all times. He should have ended the war days earlier to prevent needless deaths on both sides - it was in his authority to do so, and it was his duty the second he realized it was a lost cause as his responsibility to the men that followed him was paramount. Slavery aside, I have always been sympathetic to the Southern cause against the War of Northern Aggression from a Constitutional perspective. Constitutionality and principals aside, Lee, as with most good leaders, should have listened to his closest and most trusted subordinates - his generals who all appeared to have echoed the same thing in the last days - it was a lost cause.
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Robert
Both were great men. Everyone deep down must have known that blacks would one day be free, but no one knew how to get from point A to point B. Jefferson wrote that nothing is more certain than that these people shall be free. So in that sense, emancipation (in the middle of war) was a total surprise. Blacks were eager to fight, even before they were legally allowed to. Once they got the chance, they served valliantly. Lincoln also fervently wanted reconciliation between North and South. With malice toward none, he declared. (Let's bind up the wounds, etc) There were huge problems remaining. Cotton at the time was still severely labor intensive. Mechanized cotton-harvesting was srtill many decades away. Most rural southern blacks were illiterate and unskilled, but there seems to have been a latent ferment - black parents eager for their children's lives to be better. As to debating blame for suffering, historians have done so since time immemorial. The human spirit is obviously, all things considered, remarkably resilient.
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Both were great men. Everyone deep down must have known that blacks would one day be free, but no one knew how to get from point A to point B. Jefferson wrote that nothing is more certain than that these people shall be free. So in that sense, emancipation (in the middle of war) was a total surprise. Blacks were eager to fight, even before they were legally allowed to. Once they got the chance, they served valliantly. Lincoln also fervently wanted reconciliation between North and South. With malice toward none, he declared. (Let's bind up the wounds, etc) There were huge problems remaining. Cotton at the time was still severely labor intensive. Mechanized cotton-harvesting was srtill many decades away. Most rural southern blacks were illiterate and unskilled, but there seems to have been a latent ferment - black parents eager for their children's lives to be better. As to debating blame for suffering, historians have done so since time immemorial. The human spirit is obviously, all things considered, remarkably resilient.
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rastenborg
I object. Lee was not authorized to surrender the Army of Northern Virginia or the Confederacy. He would not allow the Confederate Cavalry Corps under General Wade Hampton, SC to escape the union encirclement. Lee had the remaining infantry, trans, and garrison soldiers. West point cut an inside deal providing g he betrayed the CSA and surrendered the Cavalry. in NC some 200, 000 Confederate soldiers remained. The effect was the formation of many resistance units and months to end the war. The SC veterans reformed in SC along military lines under General Wade Hampton as his Redshirts. They matched to Columbia, SC and threw out the occupation government. In many cities the CSA burned the city and military supplies including processed cotton bakes.
Lee was no hero of the South. He was the best Colonel the Union ever had. he never succeeded in invading the North. Why would he?
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I object. Lee was not authorized to surrender the Army of Northern Virginia or the Confederacy. He would not allow the Confederate Cavalry Corps under General Wade Hampton, SC to escape the union encirclement. Lee had the remaining infantry, trans, and garrison soldiers. West point cut an inside deal providing g he betrayed the CSA and surrendered the Cavalry. in NC some 200, 000 Confederate soldiers remained. The effect was the formation of many resistance units and months to end the war. The SC veterans reformed in SC along military lines under General Wade Hampton as his Redshirts. They matched to Columbia, SC and threw out the occupation government. In many cities the CSA burned the city and military supplies including processed cotton bakes.
Lee was no hero of the South. He was the best Colonel the Union ever had. he never succeeded in invading the North. Why would he?
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Restore
Weird History should actually be called Fake History! I have been studying the civil war all my life and never read a document or a account that matched this version. I have also read Grants Memoirs and many first hand accounts published after the war, Grant himself didnt describe it like this. One fact is both Generals were very honorable men. The one truth is I agree most of new generation knows nothing of history. Failure to understand History is why much of it gets repeated, just in a slightly different form. History should be one of the most important subjects to study in detail, it is full of valuable lessons of human nature. Not to alter it, just to study and analyze it in its raw truthful form.
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Weird History should actually be called Fake History! I have been studying the civil war all my life and never read a document or a account that matched this version. I have also read Grants Memoirs and many first hand accounts published after the war, Grant himself didnt describe it like this. One fact is both Generals were very honorable men. The one truth is I agree most of new generation knows nothing of history. Failure to understand History is why much of it gets repeated, just in a slightly different form. History should be one of the most important subjects to study in detail, it is full of valuable lessons of human nature. Not to alter it, just to study and analyze it in its raw truthful form.
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David
This is just sounds like Yankee propaganda. and all the love for Grant is kinda creepy for a man nicknamed The Butcher, for all the casualties he suffered. he didn't worry about tactics that may save the lives of his own men because he knew they could draft as many of their people as they wanted.
The North was certainly doing the bulk of the dying in the Civil war. If Lincoln hadn't had his own citize s arrested for criticizing him and the war and the confederates decision to attempt to go on the offensive instead of maintaining their defensive strategy. The economics may have not been in their favor, but public opinion certainly was, until they attempted their counter offensive into Union lands.
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This is just sounds like Yankee propaganda. and all the love for Grant is kinda creepy for a man nicknamed The Butcher, for all the casualties he suffered. he didn't worry about tactics that may save the lives of his own men because he knew they could draft as many of their people as they wanted.
The North was certainly doing the bulk of the dying in the Civil war. If Lincoln hadn't had his own citize s arrested for criticizing him and the war and the confederates decision to attempt to go on the offensive instead of maintaining their defensive strategy. The economics may have not been in their favor, but public opinion certainly was, until they attempted their counter offensive into Union lands.
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Paul
I dont think alot of that is accurate. If I remember correctly. It was two young adults from the South named Trevor Moore and Sam Brown who put an end to the war.
After walking into Grant's camp, they talked out peace, only for Grant to them have tied up and executed. However, the execution didnt go through because Sam and Trevor told Grant they had an idea to stop the South from their incoming attack.
Trevor and Sam burned a bunch of marijuana plants and the battle turned into peace and love. Lee then surrendered. And President Lincoln honored Trevor and Sam.
Also, R. I. P. Doug.
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I dont think alot of that is accurate. If I remember correctly. It was two young adults from the South named Trevor Moore and Sam Brown who put an end to the war.
After walking into Grant's camp, they talked out peace, only for Grant to them have tied up and executed. However, the execution didnt go through because Sam and Trevor told Grant they had an idea to stop the South from their incoming attack.
Trevor and Sam burned a bunch of marijuana plants and the battle turned into peace and love. Lee then surrendered. And President Lincoln honored Trevor and Sam.
Also, R. I. P. Doug.
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Chris
As a descendant of general George Mead I could tell you from my family diaries a lot of us were not happy. At the end of the day I understood why it was done. Try to make peace as soon as possible because we do not need gorilla warfare. But I will say My family was not as happy like I just said. We really didn't solve all the problems we still have similar problems today. The war is not black-and-white literary as people think it is. Don't get me wrong I'm definitely more a Union guy. But yeah the more you get into it the more's like War sucks and the poor have to fight the wars.
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As a descendant of general George Mead I could tell you from my family diaries a lot of us were not happy. At the end of the day I understood why it was done. Try to make peace as soon as possible because we do not need gorilla warfare. But I will say My family was not as happy like I just said. We really didn't solve all the problems we still have similar problems today. The war is not black-and-white literary as people think it is. Don't get me wrong I'm definitely more a Union guy. But yeah the more you get into it the more's like War sucks and the poor have to fight the wars.
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Old
The key word is in the intro - effectively. The actual end was when Gen Johnston surrendered near Durham, NC a few weeks later. On this occasion, Congress didn't like the terms that Grant had worked out and pinned his ears back for it. This forced him to renegotiate the terms. Thousands of firearms and gear were destroyed and/or buried at what is now Camp Butner north of Durham. General Lee's surrender obviously a expedited this, but there were still CSA armies in the field, and most of the CSA political leadership still at large including Jefferson Davis and a whole lot of gold.
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The key word is in the intro - effectively. The actual end was when Gen Johnston surrendered near Durham, NC a few weeks later. On this occasion, Congress didn't like the terms that Grant had worked out and pinned his ears back for it. This forced him to renegotiate the terms. Thousands of firearms and gear were destroyed and/or buried at what is now Camp Butner north of Durham. General Lee's surrender obviously a expedited this, but there were still CSA armies in the field, and most of the CSA political leadership still at large including Jefferson Davis and a whole lot of gold.
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Katharine
Reading down these comments, I see respect for both sides to some degree. But let's face it. General Lee was stroking his own pride at the cost of his men and material. Every army has people who commit crimes against their fellow soldiers and against the civilian population. Study the civil war. Read the speech given by the Vice President of the Confederacy the day Jefferson Davis appointed him. As a nation, we still have not healed from the divide of that war.
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Reading down these comments, I see respect for both sides to some degree. But let's face it. General Lee was stroking his own pride at the cost of his men and material. Every army has people who commit crimes against their fellow soldiers and against the civilian population. Study the civil war. Read the speech given by the Vice President of the Confederacy the day Jefferson Davis appointed him. As a nation, we still have not healed from the divide of that war.
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Jim
Yes, Lee's pride cost lives but not as bad as leaders of today. Cannon Fodder, that's the meaning of a volunteer or drafted soldier. I am a Gold Star Family member and that's what the blood of my Nephew Timothy Peter Davis laid his life down 02/20/09 in Afghanistan. For what a Dementia President that was looking at his watch after the turn tail and run exit from Afghanistan. Or how about the immature Wokesters running the Whitehouse. Yeah, Cannon Fodder indead!
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Yes, Lee's pride cost lives but not as bad as leaders of today. Cannon Fodder, that's the meaning of a volunteer or drafted soldier. I am a Gold Star Family member and that's what the blood of my Nephew Timothy Peter Davis laid his life down 02/20/09 in Afghanistan. For what a Dementia President that was looking at his watch after the turn tail and run exit from Afghanistan. Or how about the immature Wokesters running the Whitehouse. Yeah, Cannon Fodder indead!
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NJ
I don't believe that Lee thought the South had any chance of winning. What he and Davis were hoping for was a stalemate forcing the Union to agree to a cease fire and eventual peace. The North was growing more weary from the war and many felt that dragging it on was becoming a waste of time. Had they decided to just end it, we would have been a divided nation. Thankfully Lincoln wasn't about to do this and we were eventually united and slavery was abolished.
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I don't believe that Lee thought the South had any chance of winning. What he and Davis were hoping for was a stalemate forcing the Union to agree to a cease fire and eventual peace. The North was growing more weary from the war and many felt that dragging it on was becoming a waste of time. Had they decided to just end it, we would have been a divided nation. Thankfully Lincoln wasn't about to do this and we were eventually united and slavery was abolished.
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Dan
Not the court. House. Signing at. Wilmer McLeads house. Appamatix county. Not the court house. Story books tell it wrong everytime. Remember. American was in an opioid pandemic. 1860 was the beginning of the first opioid pandemic in America. Many many people at the time of 1860 where opioid addicts. Out of there minds. You need to get to the truth of history. And not listen to the lies told by repeater people telling lies. Later.
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Not the court. House. Signing at. Wilmer McLeads house. Appamatix county. Not the court house. Story books tell it wrong everytime. Remember. American was in an opioid pandemic. 1860 was the beginning of the first opioid pandemic in America. Many many people at the time of 1860 where opioid addicts. Out of there minds. You need to get to the truth of history. And not listen to the lies told by repeater people telling lies. Later.
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CAROLINA
General Lee was a good and honorable man. Had he not held out as long as he did, it's likely the Confederacy would not have received as favorable terms of surrender, including the common soldiers as well as the officers. The South suffered great hardship during and after the War of Northern Aggression, and there was no point in punishing them any further.
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General Lee was a good and honorable man. Had he not held out as long as he did, it's likely the Confederacy would not have received as favorable terms of surrender, including the common soldiers as well as the officers. The South suffered great hardship during and after the War of Northern Aggression, and there was no point in punishing them any further.
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scafgal
Back in those days (1800's) America broke out in war. So Canada decided to come down and help (back then we were still under British rule. So we came down, and burnt the Whitehouse down. Why didn't you guys let us know back in 2016 that trouble was going to start again? We would've GLADLY come down and burnt it down again and get rid of the Orange Vomit!
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Back in those days (1800's) America broke out in war. So Canada decided to come down and help (back then we were still under British rule. So we came down, and burnt the Whitehouse down. Why didn't you guys let us know back in 2016 that trouble was going to start again? We would've GLADLY come down and burnt it down again and get rid of the Orange Vomit!
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HeLost
Grant really should have sent them packing without their horses and guns in total shame for what these traitors did! But he showed compassion and proved what REAL leaders he and a Lincoln were! Something todays Repubs just dont get! These people were TRAITORS to their own country over slavery! A
more disgusting reason could never have been given!
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Grant really should have sent them packing without their horses and guns in total shame for what these traitors did! But he showed compassion and proved what REAL leaders he and a Lincoln were! Something todays Repubs just dont get! These people were TRAITORS to their own country over slavery! A
more disgusting reason could never have been given!
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Poppa
The Decision of the COnfederacy to Invade Kentucky and the resulting battle of Mill Springs, and others. I currently live about 45 mins away from the Battle field and would love to see the events that lead tothe decisions, and eventual battle. Small but important battle in U. S. history.
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The Decision of the COnfederacy to Invade Kentucky and the resulting battle of Mill Springs, and others. I currently live about 45 mins away from the Battle field and would love to see the events that lead tothe decisions, and eventual battle. Small but important battle in U. S. history.
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can
This video was the first I had heard of Grant gaining valuable intelligence from a captured Confederate general. It would be interesting to know who the treasonous general was. Who knows how things would have shaped-up if Grant had still been in the dark on dome of the issues?
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This video was the first I had heard of Grant gaining valuable intelligence from a captured Confederate general. It would be interesting to know who the treasonous general was. Who knows how things would have shaped-up if Grant had still been in the dark on dome of the issues?
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bd
To your question: People don't necessarily quit when defeat is front of them. So, did people die because Mr. Lee delayed surrendering? Yes. And, if he had surrendered earlier, people would complain whether more people would have lived, if say, he surrendered 3 months earlier.
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To your question: People don't necessarily quit when defeat is front of them. So, did people die because Mr. Lee delayed surrendering? Yes. And, if he had surrendered earlier, people would complain whether more people would have lived, if say, he surrendered 3 months earlier.
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Kyle
War of Northern Aggression The States created the United States and the States are constitutionally allowed to secede peacefully under the compact doctrine. When the Feds refused to vacate a military base in a State no longer in the Union, it was aggression.
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War of Northern Aggression The States created the United States and the States are constitutionally allowed to secede peacefully under the compact doctrine. When the Feds refused to vacate a military base in a State no longer in the Union, it was aggression.
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