How Christianity made our World.
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Date: 2023-10-14
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Erdwick
As somebody from a non Christian religion it made no sense to me and I always though it sounded too leftist and was baffled why so many right wingers like it. I am not going to be the edgy guy to say I hate them all but it sounded alien to my mind. I always felt any religion that claims truth is equal and universal to everyone reminds me of communism even. Also many other groups have high social trust without being Christian while some Christian societies have low social trust. Japan has a higher social trust than say the Christian part of the Congo. And in Buddhist/Hindu/Pagan societies you had many virtuous leaders in its history or literature that saw the lower classes like children that needed to be looked after as a part of their place in the cosmos and treated them well. An example would be a Japanese feudal lord that wore poor person's clothes and eat only vegetable soup once a day while the province was poor as an example and helped the poor but it came from an idea that his position was a gift from the Gods and ancestors and he had a duty to serve the people.
I found the evangelical types to be subversive and woke and anti nature. A lot of Christians (especially the globalist types over the more national types) can be disloyal to their group as well but so are Abrahamic atheist leftists. And the reason researching gender and race gets you in trouble is because of the Abrahamic progress and equality theory (the more extreme factions of Christianity believed this) that rejects nature and differences by forcing people to be equal
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As somebody from a non Christian religion it made no sense to me and I always though it sounded too leftist and was baffled why so many right wingers like it. I am not going to be the edgy guy to say I hate them all but it sounded alien to my mind. I always felt any religion that claims truth is equal and universal to everyone reminds me of communism even. Also many other groups have high social trust without being Christian while some Christian societies have low social trust. Japan has a higher social trust than say the Christian part of the Congo. And in Buddhist/Hindu/Pagan societies you had many virtuous leaders in its history or literature that saw the lower classes like children that needed to be looked after as a part of their place in the cosmos and treated them well. An example would be a Japanese feudal lord that wore poor person's clothes and eat only vegetable soup once a day while the province was poor as an example and helped the poor but it came from an idea that his position was a gift from the Gods and ancestors and he had a duty to serve the people.
I found the evangelical types to be subversive and woke and anti nature. A lot of Christians (especially the globalist types over the more national types) can be disloyal to their group as well but so are Abrahamic atheist leftists. And the reason researching gender and race gets you in trouble is because of the Abrahamic progress and equality theory (the more extreme factions of Christianity believed this) that rejects nature and differences by forcing people to be equal
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LordTanooki
I found the video to be very informative and gave a good deal of context to and the current dissolutionment the West has with its roots. However, I'm not sure I agree with everything in the video.
For one, you talk of how humility and knowing that one knows nothing is unique to a Christian conception of reality. While it's probable that Christianity facilitated this mindset's adoption, I think that the Platonic dialogues are full of evidence of truth's battle against authority and the fallible nature of human reason. The context of Plato's time definitely wasn't beholden to Christian values as we know them today.
For another, you call America the technological center of the modern world and imply it's because of its allegiance with Christian principles when contracted with other Western powers. I'll admit that I don't know much about technological metrics. Nevertheless, wouldn't Japan or Taiwan be examples of socities with exceptional advancement without the Christian foundation?
I would love to hear your thoughts on this - or anyone else who is up to the gambit.
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I found the video to be very informative and gave a good deal of context to and the current dissolutionment the West has with its roots. However, I'm not sure I agree with everything in the video.
For one, you talk of how humility and knowing that one knows nothing is unique to a Christian conception of reality. While it's probable that Christianity facilitated this mindset's adoption, I think that the Platonic dialogues are full of evidence of truth's battle against authority and the fallible nature of human reason. The context of Plato's time definitely wasn't beholden to Christian values as we know them today.
For another, you call America the technological center of the modern world and imply it's because of its allegiance with Christian principles when contracted with other Western powers. I'll admit that I don't know much about technological metrics. Nevertheless, wouldn't Japan or Taiwan be examples of socities with exceptional advancement without the Christian foundation?
I would love to hear your thoughts on this - or anyone else who is up to the gambit.
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education
Your statement that christianity is the only religion to offer something to followers to do about the fact that the world is a brutal/cruel place is off. Judaism very much has numerous components of this. If the belief is: treat your neighbour as you treat yourself, judaism and then christianity offer a means of guiding human interaction toward good. The concept of tikun olam, or repairing the world is another very central part of judaism offering actionable ways to make the world a better place. I'd argue, if it's prevalent in christianity, it's because it's prevalent in judaism, and the difference being that judaism offers more prescribed methodologies while christianity would point at christ and say 'do what the jew did'. Looking at it like that, its much easier to be a follower than to think for ones self, and adding the components of fear that come with the Christian component of hell, it seems reasonable christianity was easier to catch on. now what about those crusades?
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Your statement that christianity is the only religion to offer something to followers to do about the fact that the world is a brutal/cruel place is off. Judaism very much has numerous components of this. If the belief is: treat your neighbour as you treat yourself, judaism and then christianity offer a means of guiding human interaction toward good. The concept of tikun olam, or repairing the world is another very central part of judaism offering actionable ways to make the world a better place. I'd argue, if it's prevalent in christianity, it's because it's prevalent in judaism, and the difference being that judaism offers more prescribed methodologies while christianity would point at christ and say 'do what the jew did'. Looking at it like that, its much easier to be a follower than to think for ones self, and adding the components of fear that come with the Christian component of hell, it seems reasonable christianity was easier to catch on. now what about those crusades?
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Cursed
The best thing that Christianity can do is force down the throats of everyone the reality of just what Christianity is actually responsible for.
Make them accept exactly what was said in this video as fact and simultaneously tell people what unsustainable things are in fact unsustainable and why.
Even if you say that God only gave us the religion of Christianity then God gave us arguably the greatest societal and moral framework possible.
Force progressives to realize what they are attempting to tear down and treat people as the implications of their actions.
All anti Christians should be treated as illiberal and anti-science slavers who want to bring brutality to the world.
That's what the new reformation should look like Christians invoking the paradox of tolerance against those who would eradicate Christianity.
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The best thing that Christianity can do is force down the throats of everyone the reality of just what Christianity is actually responsible for.
Make them accept exactly what was said in this video as fact and simultaneously tell people what unsustainable things are in fact unsustainable and why.
Even if you say that God only gave us the religion of Christianity then God gave us arguably the greatest societal and moral framework possible.
Force progressives to realize what they are attempting to tear down and treat people as the implications of their actions.
All anti Christians should be treated as illiberal and anti-science slavers who want to bring brutality to the world.
That's what the new reformation should look like Christians invoking the paradox of tolerance against those who would eradicate Christianity.
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SayNoTo
I'm an Atheist, and Whatifalthist has by far done a better job at challenging me and bringing me closer to Christianity than all others combined.
He isn't one of those Christian Nationalists or Based Trad Caths who identifies as a Christian because he wants to be a contrarian to the left (which I've made videos about. With the Christian right, I feel like I'm listening to a bully beating his chest who wants to throw me on the ground and stomp on me because I disagree with them (over theology, not merely values.
Rudyard is different. He tells me how Christianity has benefited the world. In my opinion, that's the right way to promote Christianity, not political contrarianism.
It also helps that he's a calm, humble person. And we're both classical liberals/libertarians, we we have virtually the same values.
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I'm an Atheist, and Whatifalthist has by far done a better job at challenging me and bringing me closer to Christianity than all others combined.
He isn't one of those Christian Nationalists or Based Trad Caths who identifies as a Christian because he wants to be a contrarian to the left (which I've made videos about. With the Christian right, I feel like I'm listening to a bully beating his chest who wants to throw me on the ground and stomp on me because I disagree with them (over theology, not merely values.
Rudyard is different. He tells me how Christianity has benefited the world. In my opinion, that's the right way to promote Christianity, not political contrarianism.
It also helps that he's a calm, humble person. And we're both classical liberals/libertarians, we we have virtually the same values.
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Theodore
In terms of coming to the conclusion that love is the most important thing in the world it s worth remembering that 500 years before Christ Aristotle concluded that filia, brotherly love, was the real foundation of a healthy polis. Also, the Ancient Greek word for freedom was Elutheria which roughly translates as to arrive at the place of love. Also, the linguist root of the English word freedom traces back to the proto-Indo-European word for beloved. None of this is meant to take away from Christ s ministry. It s just worth noting that orthopathos ( correct passions ) and love specifically were already understood as a moral imperative in the preChristian west. What Christ taught can thus be best understood as a Hellenized interpretation of the Judaic scriptures.
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In terms of coming to the conclusion that love is the most important thing in the world it s worth remembering that 500 years before Christ Aristotle concluded that filia, brotherly love, was the real foundation of a healthy polis. Also, the Ancient Greek word for freedom was Elutheria which roughly translates as to arrive at the place of love. Also, the linguist root of the English word freedom traces back to the proto-Indo-European word for beloved. None of this is meant to take away from Christ s ministry. It s just worth noting that orthopathos ( correct passions ) and love specifically were already understood as a moral imperative in the preChristian west. What Christ taught can thus be best understood as a Hellenized interpretation of the Judaic scriptures.
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Luke
Good video. The only errors I see are that Roger Bacon, not Francis Bacon, was a monk and Constantine didn't make Christianity the official religion, he only legalized it. Theodosius made it official Interestingly, a lot of scholars are shifting their views on Christian-pagan relations after constantine to be more tolerant empire-wide. I also think Christianity and science are only connected with the spread of literacy. The scientific revolution was impossible without the printing press, and its invention in a pagan medieval Europe could be possible without Christianity. I 100% agree on universal ideas like liberalism and socialism being impossible without christianity Good job.
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Good video. The only errors I see are that Roger Bacon, not Francis Bacon, was a monk and Constantine didn't make Christianity the official religion, he only legalized it. Theodosius made it official Interestingly, a lot of scholars are shifting their views on Christian-pagan relations after constantine to be more tolerant empire-wide. I also think Christianity and science are only connected with the spread of literacy. The scientific revolution was impossible without the printing press, and its invention in a pagan medieval Europe could be possible without Christianity. I 100% agree on universal ideas like liberalism and socialism being impossible without christianity Good job.
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Yannick
Interesting video. I can clearly see the bias of the author towards Christianity though. I'm a french atheist myself, on the LGBT community and given the treatment of non hetero/gender-normative people I don't want any abrahamic religion to rule over Europe ever!
I mean those religions are old and outdated, disproven by science ( as far as I know a man cannot be born from a virgin or resuscitate. )
Rationalism and science should be spread and will be with internet being more and more available I hope, and religions will slowly but surely vanish as an old tool of control for the masses by a tiny malevolent elite.
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Interesting video. I can clearly see the bias of the author towards Christianity though. I'm a french atheist myself, on the LGBT community and given the treatment of non hetero/gender-normative people I don't want any abrahamic religion to rule over Europe ever!
I mean those religions are old and outdated, disproven by science ( as far as I know a man cannot be born from a virgin or resuscitate. )
Rationalism and science should be spread and will be with internet being more and more available I hope, and religions will slowly but surely vanish as an old tool of control for the masses by a tiny malevolent elite.
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Tristan
By no means would I argue that Josh didn't exist, but to follow up that statement you said, he was probably born around 5 bc As in you think everyone counted time backwards back then? Until when, nearly 1, 000 years later? Or was there a year, that they renamed 1 for some reason that to this day no one agrees with? I've been watching a long time bro. Keep it up. Just avoid sentences that end in they don't know what they're talking about Because you have a tendency to sound like you don't know what you're talking about in the very next sentence.
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By no means would I argue that Josh didn't exist, but to follow up that statement you said, he was probably born around 5 bc As in you think everyone counted time backwards back then? Until when, nearly 1, 000 years later? Or was there a year, that they renamed 1 for some reason that to this day no one agrees with? I've been watching a long time bro. Keep it up. Just avoid sentences that end in they don't know what they're talking about Because you have a tendency to sound like you don't know what you're talking about in the very next sentence.
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DrakonPhD
16: 05 CHRISTMAS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MITHRAS. That is a complete myth, with zero historical backing. The date December 25th is from the Jewish idea that prophets were conceived the same day they died. The traditional day of Easter was March 25th, which nine months later became December 25th.
Overall, interesting video! Has a lot of myths and historical issues with early Christianity (I have NEVER heard the bizzare psychedelic eucharist idea even from atheists) but the later part of the video was definitely intriguing!
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16: 05 CHRISTMAS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MITHRAS. That is a complete myth, with zero historical backing. The date December 25th is from the Jewish idea that prophets were conceived the same day they died. The traditional day of Easter was March 25th, which nine months later became December 25th.
Overall, interesting video! Has a lot of myths and historical issues with early Christianity (I have NEVER heard the bizzare psychedelic eucharist idea even from atheists) but the later part of the video was definitely intriguing!
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Selwrynn
We also have to keep in mind when looking at Christianity not only how it shaped our world but also how the peoples who adopted it shaped it to their values. Easiest example I have for this is that is the Crusades and how the formerly celtic peoples up in France and Germany all very much warrior cultures took Christianity and used it as a reason for doing war despite some of its tenets, however you as a historian/researcher would probably know where to look to find more out about this better than I do.
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We also have to keep in mind when looking at Christianity not only how it shaped our world but also how the peoples who adopted it shaped it to their values. Easiest example I have for this is that is the Crusades and how the formerly celtic peoples up in France and Germany all very much warrior cultures took Christianity and used it as a reason for doing war despite some of its tenets, however you as a historian/researcher would probably know where to look to find more out about this better than I do.
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Easy
Want to know what killed American Christianity in the long run? Easy. Vietnam. The squishy guys started becoming pastors. Why? To avoid the draft. Example, it used to be the pastors were sort of regular guys who liked to hunt, drank a beer with the guys, and were normal. After 1975 the squishy guys started to take over in mass. I have no solution. Yes, we need a new reformation. We need to kick the squishy guys out. We need the guys who used to hunt, liked sports, and were normal.
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Want to know what killed American Christianity in the long run? Easy. Vietnam. The squishy guys started becoming pastors. Why? To avoid the draft. Example, it used to be the pastors were sort of regular guys who liked to hunt, drank a beer with the guys, and were normal. After 1975 the squishy guys started to take over in mass. I have no solution. Yes, we need a new reformation. We need to kick the squishy guys out. We need the guys who used to hunt, liked sports, and were normal.
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Tyr
Israel and its supporters in our government push diversity and mass immagration on us because they think their people wouldn't be as welcome if we had a strong white Christian identity like african americans have a strong identity. They think historically they have done best in diverse society and get kicked out of traditional type society. They are basically genociding us because we might hypothetically do bad things to them if they didn't.
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Israel and its supporters in our government push diversity and mass immagration on us because they think their people wouldn't be as welcome if we had a strong white Christian identity like african americans have a strong identity. They think historically they have done best in diverse society and get kicked out of traditional type society. They are basically genociding us because we might hypothetically do bad things to them if they didn't.
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Tianming
Great video. For anyone who wants to read more about this stuff, the book The Book that Made Your World by Vishal Mangalwadi talks about a lot of the points Rudyard brought up in this video plus more, and coming from an Indian perspective he really touches on how a lot of the values and assumptions that people in the West, and even in the rest of the world, take for granted ultimately derived from Christianity
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Great video. For anyone who wants to read more about this stuff, the book The Book that Made Your World by Vishal Mangalwadi talks about a lot of the points Rudyard brought up in this video plus more, and coming from an Indian perspective he really touches on how a lot of the values and assumptions that people in the West, and even in the rest of the world, take for granted ultimately derived from Christianity
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TheLifeOfMrT
As much as I enjoyed Dominion, Tom Holland drew heavily from the work & thesis that Rodney Stark (RIP) spent his professional career exploring in depth. It's a grave disservice that Rodney Stark isn't more well-know.
Read For the Glory of God, Rise of Christianity, Triumph of Christianity, How the West Won, & Victory of Reason. Those together will be a much more thorough exploration of the subject.
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As much as I enjoyed Dominion, Tom Holland drew heavily from the work & thesis that Rodney Stark (RIP) spent his professional career exploring in depth. It's a grave disservice that Rodney Stark isn't more well-know.
Read For the Glory of God, Rise of Christianity, Triumph of Christianity, How the West Won, & Victory of Reason. Those together will be a much more thorough exploration of the subject.
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Kenneth_James
A fish in a pond cannot judge its place in the world that fish has no frame of reference outside of its own Pond and so can't
compare it to anything in a lot of different ways that fish is completely indistinguishable from that pond given it was made up by the nutrients and water from the pond in most cases if you take the fish out of that context it's going to die. There. I've done it.
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A fish in a pond cannot judge its place in the world that fish has no frame of reference outside of its own Pond and so can't
compare it to anything in a lot of different ways that fish is completely indistinguishable from that pond given it was made up by the nutrients and water from the pond in most cases if you take the fish out of that context it's going to die. There. I've done it.
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King
So you are literally making up theories just to support Christianity. Ok got it you are the i was an athiest but now im a Christian kinda guy. The problem is you always been Christian and the ideology is buried in your heart and all you view the world in that perspective. Its super cringe when Christians do that. Like i can make up a theory that roman gods are the backbone of all religions
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So you are literally making up theories just to support Christianity. Ok got it you are the i was an athiest but now im a Christian kinda guy. The problem is you always been Christian and the ideology is buried in your heart and all you view the world in that perspective. Its super cringe when Christians do that. Like i can make up a theory that roman gods are the backbone of all religions
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Admiral
My biggest question about Christianity is, if the angels could see god and knew him personally how did lucifer convince 1/3 to join him? Is there aspects of god that we are unaware of? Flaws that could only be seen by those closest to him? Ultimately I feel like if god & angels are real I would want to know why so many turned against him despite knowing him personally
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My biggest question about Christianity is, if the angels could see god and knew him personally how did lucifer convince 1/3 to join him? Is there aspects of god that we are unaware of? Flaws that could only be seen by those closest to him? Ultimately I feel like if god & angels are real I would want to know why so many turned against him despite knowing him personally
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Brian
Lmao, a modern feminist would last about 2 and a half days tops in ancient Rome, male or female it WOULDNT matter. If the linguistic barrier was overcome as SOON as that feminist started back talking a citizen AT BEST she'd be beaten to eithin an inch of her life but it would be far more likely he'd gut her in front of the slaves as an example!
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Lmao, a modern feminist would last about 2 and a half days tops in ancient Rome, male or female it WOULDNT matter. If the linguistic barrier was overcome as SOON as that feminist started back talking a citizen AT BEST she'd be beaten to eithin an inch of her life but it would be far more likely he'd gut her in front of the slaves as an example!
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