Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene
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Date: 2020-07-14
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Bryce
Here's my take. It did happen. All the killings happened, I should say. The mother, the 'neighbor girlfriend', Robert Deniro, whatshisname who gave him the gun, the therapist at the end. By the end of the movie, some time had passed since he obviously didn't have the green hair anymore. I can't understand why they would have this murderer go to the therapist without a thousand pounds of handcuffs and armed guards around him. Anyway, I think the reason he is laughing at the end isn't because the entire movie was just a vision Fleck had. it was because he knew the Gotham clown revolution he inadvertently started caused not only the death of his nemesis Thomas Wayne (And his wife, of course. but it had transformed his overprivileged son Bruce---Thomas's real son--into an orphan. turning him into exactly what Fleck was. Having the whole movie be a dream doesn't fit if he never met Bruce or never confronted Thomas in the men's room. The reason Fleck said, You wouldn't get it. is because the therapist wouldn't understand the symbolism of transforming Bruce to himself when he was the same age.
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Here's my take. It did happen. All the killings happened, I should say. The mother, the 'neighbor girlfriend', Robert Deniro, whatshisname who gave him the gun, the therapist at the end. By the end of the movie, some time had passed since he obviously didn't have the green hair anymore. I can't understand why they would have this murderer go to the therapist without a thousand pounds of handcuffs and armed guards around him. Anyway, I think the reason he is laughing at the end isn't because the entire movie was just a vision Fleck had. it was because he knew the Gotham clown revolution he inadvertently started caused not only the death of his nemesis Thomas Wayne (And his wife, of course. but it had transformed his overprivileged son Bruce---Thomas's real son--into an orphan. turning him into exactly what Fleck was. Having the whole movie be a dream doesn't fit if he never met Bruce or never confronted Thomas in the men's room. The reason Fleck said, You wouldn't get it. is because the therapist wouldn't understand the symbolism of transforming Bruce to himself when he was the same age.
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Marianna
OK: so it seems no one noticed: after Arthur was cut off on the video, we see a clip of all the news reporters and videos, and in the corner, we see Arthurs full video of where he says something and gets taken down by the cops. Now his voice was drowned out by the other televisions, but if you read his lips and but together what he says: He says Gothom, we stand up, there will never be a hero stronger to take down----, if we are up roughly a translation. So he is speaking about no hero could stand up. This later causes Bruce to become Batman, and he will stand up to Arthur as the Joker.
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OK: so it seems no one noticed: after Arthur was cut off on the video, we see a clip of all the news reporters and videos, and in the corner, we see Arthurs full video of where he says something and gets taken down by the cops. Now his voice was drowned out by the other televisions, but if you read his lips and but together what he says: He says Gothom, we stand up, there will never be a hero stronger to take down----, if we are up roughly a translation. So he is speaking about no hero could stand up. This later causes Bruce to become Batman, and he will stand up to Arthur as the Joker.
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E. T.
Maybe it all started with Arthur, he became the Joker, then he told the story to someone else. Who then became the 2nd Joker. And it goes on and on. Because we know that there were many other clown followers. That could explain why the Joker has lived for so many years. And why he isn't actually dead in some versions. Maybe yeah the Joker did die, and then came back but wasn't the same one. It could be the same with other villains or Batman. See?
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Maybe it all started with Arthur, he became the Joker, then he told the story to someone else. Who then became the 2nd Joker. And it goes on and on. Because we know that there were many other clown followers. That could explain why the Joker has lived for so many years. And why he isn't actually dead in some versions. Maybe yeah the Joker did die, and then came back but wasn't the same one. It could be the same with other villains or Batman. See?
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Neutral
I think he's just being pretentious. trying to present a deepness to a film that, while entertaining and thought provoking, is still based on a comic book character. It definitely exceeded my expectations, but hearing all the angsty millenial males worship Joker on the internet as if he really shot dinero in the head on live tv (which by the way actually proves that there are a lot of psychopaths in this world) kind of turned me off to it.
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I think he's just being pretentious. trying to present a deepness to a film that, while entertaining and thought provoking, is still based on a comic book character. It definitely exceeded my expectations, but hearing all the angsty millenial males worship Joker on the internet as if he really shot dinero in the head on live tv (which by the way actually proves that there are a lot of psychopaths in this world) kind of turned me off to it.
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Maxi
Exactly. I knew it. how is it possible the that joker goes to arkham assyulmn when he has a massive clown army. as phonexis laughter at the end is different from the other laughter in his fantasy
The true meaning is that life is a joke
As in life nothing really matters
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Exactly. I knew it. how is it possible the that joker goes to arkham assyulmn when he has a massive clown army. as phonexis laughter at the end is different from the other laughter in his fantasy
The true meaning is that life is a joke
As in life nothing really matters
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Airehcaz
I really, really, really, really hope they dont make that story a depiction of delusion or something just made up by Arthur.
I hope even more, Arthur becomes the real Joker that antagonizes Batman. Ill be quite disappointed if thats not the case.
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I really, really, really, really hope they dont make that story a depiction of delusion or something just made up by Arthur.
I hope even more, Arthur becomes the real Joker that antagonizes Batman. Ill be quite disappointed if thats not the case.
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Adam
After watching it, it feels like lazy writing. Ive seen a lot of movies so thats probably why. Ive seen that exact thing done in so many narratives that leaving to the reader/audience to do the work leaves us asking what did you do again?
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After watching it, it feels like lazy writing. Ive seen a lot of movies so thats probably why. Ive seen that exact thing done in so many narratives that leaving to the reader/audience to do the work leaves us asking what did you do again?
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Definition
Considering the Arthur (Joker) character in this movie is easily in his late 30s and Bruce Wayne is just a kid by the time Bruce Wayne becomes Batman at about 30ish the Joker would be late 50s early 60s. Still plausible.
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Considering the Arthur (Joker) character in this movie is easily in his late 30s and Bruce Wayne is just a kid by the time Bruce Wayne becomes Batman at about 30ish the Joker would be late 50s early 60s. Still plausible.
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Ruby
That's one of the things I love most about this movie, and stories of this type - the uncertainty. It does make you a player in the game because you have to come to your own conclusions. It makes the story more immersive.
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That's one of the things I love most about this movie, and stories of this type - the uncertainty. It does make you a player in the game because you have to come to your own conclusions. It makes the story more immersive.
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