Top 10 Things on Glee That Wouldn't Work Today
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Having only trans actors play trans characters might be taken further with only performers cast who are transitioning in the same directions as the characters. Considering how many gay performers have successfully played straight and vice versa (though the straight actors tend to get more celebrated, it seems a little unfair to potentially limit trans actors to trans roles (not many of them) when they can just as easily do binary roles corresponding to their physical equipment.
on the race angle, Konnie freaking out Figgins by saying her father was King of the Asian Vampires was incredibly non-specific as to ethnic identity; she could have said her mother was Queen of the Jewish Vampires (who arent bothered about crucifixes.\r\n
Date: 2023-11-20
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Valentina
I never agree with these takes on glee. I think the problem you have with glee mirrors almost perfectly the fault of wokeism, that I identify with intolerance of complexity. Not every form of uncorrectness in media is offensive, writers should be allowed to depict a character that is offensive, mean and with an awful sense of humor. Sue making awful comments about every single character in glee doesn't make the show racist or homophobic, and, as crazy as it may seem, doesn't make Sue homophobic or racist. In glee people do horrible things (in a grotesque and exaggerated way) and are always called out or frowned upon for them (in a grotesque and naive way, and that's ok. Deleting everything just because it could be offensive it's the opposite of brave and does not educate people in being more nice and inclusive
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I never agree with these takes on glee. I think the problem you have with glee mirrors almost perfectly the fault of wokeism, that I identify with intolerance of complexity. Not every form of uncorrectness in media is offensive, writers should be allowed to depict a character that is offensive, mean and with an awful sense of humor. Sue making awful comments about every single character in glee doesn't make the show racist or homophobic, and, as crazy as it may seem, doesn't make Sue homophobic or racist. In glee people do horrible things (in a grotesque and exaggerated way) and are always called out or frowned upon for them (in a grotesque and naive way, and that's ok. Deleting everything just because it could be offensive it's the opposite of brave and does not educate people in being more nice and inclusive
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ronnitschka
Sue is the perfect example how someone can say things without having to think about them constantly and still not be racist or a homophob. It is normal to cartigoraize humans in stereotypes, our brain just works that way. All this 'oh you cant say that', ok, but humans still THINK it. You are just lying if you say that you wouldnt think of a kid in the wheelchair as excatly this while differenting people in your thoughts. You make it racist by critzising people who just say what they think without considering their behaviour. Sue isnt racist or homophob or discriminating disabled studenst, she is just straightforward and not the best person to work with almost adults, because they get butthurt when an acian kid gets called asian kid.
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Sue is the perfect example how someone can say things without having to think about them constantly and still not be racist or a homophob. It is normal to cartigoraize humans in stereotypes, our brain just works that way. All this 'oh you cant say that', ok, but humans still THINK it. You are just lying if you say that you wouldnt think of a kid in the wheelchair as excatly this while differenting people in your thoughts. You make it racist by critzising people who just say what they think without considering their behaviour. Sue isnt racist or homophob or discriminating disabled studenst, she is just straightforward and not the best person to work with almost adults, because they get butthurt when an acian kid gets called asian kid.
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Janine
3: 51 This was the worst episode of Glee in my opinion. It was very offensive to what Britney Spears went through.
5: 06 Shows of the 90s and 2000s like Full House and Lizzie McGuire handled eating disorders well and the Glee should have used those episodes as great examples for how to write their script.
5: 57 I agree with what you said about Artie being played by an actor who was in a wheelchair.
8: 41 I hated how Sue was so rude to her students who were minorities.
10: 02 This should have been ranked higher.
11: 03 I hate how minorities were represented in Glee. Characters like Tina, Mike Chang & Mercedes deserved better storylines and more solos. Also where is Lima Heights adjacent?
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3: 51 This was the worst episode of Glee in my opinion. It was very offensive to what Britney Spears went through.
5: 06 Shows of the 90s and 2000s like Full House and Lizzie McGuire handled eating disorders well and the Glee should have used those episodes as great examples for how to write their script.
5: 57 I agree with what you said about Artie being played by an actor who was in a wheelchair.
8: 41 I hated how Sue was so rude to her students who were minorities.
10: 02 This should have been ranked higher.
11: 03 I hate how minorities were represented in Glee. Characters like Tina, Mike Chang & Mercedes deserved better storylines and more solos. Also where is Lima Heights adjacent?
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Rebecca
Glad to see the whole thing with Coach Beiste coming out as trans being highlighted here. At first I thought that the storyline was a result of the actor coming out around that point, but once I learned that was not the case I wondered why it needed to happen in the first place. It felt so random and unnecessary, and out of absolutely nowhere. Coach Beiste was much more interesting as a masculine woman, and I think there's something to portraying someone like that as straight and not necessarily trans. At least they handled it decently on the show in my opinion
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Glad to see the whole thing with Coach Beiste coming out as trans being highlighted here. At first I thought that the storyline was a result of the actor coming out around that point, but once I learned that was not the case I wondered why it needed to happen in the first place. It felt so random and unnecessary, and out of absolutely nowhere. Coach Beiste was much more interesting as a masculine woman, and I think there's something to portraying someone like that as straight and not necessarily trans. At least they handled it decently on the show in my opinion
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Rishi
Ok I'm sorry but I do not agree with the disabled character- abled actor one. There were dream sequences with Kevin dancing along and that was a part of Artie's character, him wondering what if I didn't get into that life changing accident, what if I could walk. All disabled folks have had atleast one time when they think oh I wish I wasn't disabled, Kevin being abled could've shown that properly. Glee was a show about singing and dancing and imagining and dreaming big, so you can't just say the show would have worked without Artie being able to do that
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Ok I'm sorry but I do not agree with the disabled character- abled actor one. There were dream sequences with Kevin dancing along and that was a part of Artie's character, him wondering what if I didn't get into that life changing accident, what if I could walk. All disabled folks have had atleast one time when they think oh I wish I wasn't disabled, Kevin being abled could've shown that properly. Glee was a show about singing and dancing and imagining and dreaming big, so you can't just say the show would have worked without Artie being able to do that
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Antoine
Okay I love Watch Mojo but this video is really problematic. Calling out Glee for little things that come from dark or absurd humour such as Sue being FALSY homophobic and racist, cause she was not, twerking, including relationships with wide age gaps, while still being okay with films with guns everywhere. It just doesn't make any sense.
We are supposed to be moving to a lighter world where we can address all kinds of subjects without having to tiptoe all the time, yet this kind of video encourages uptight behaviour
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Okay I love Watch Mojo but this video is really problematic. Calling out Glee for little things that come from dark or absurd humour such as Sue being FALSY homophobic and racist, cause she was not, twerking, including relationships with wide age gaps, while still being okay with films with guns everywhere. It just doesn't make any sense.
We are supposed to be moving to a lighter world where we can address all kinds of subjects without having to tiptoe all the time, yet this kind of video encourages uptight behaviour
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Jackson
Glee was one of the few tv shows in that period of time on television that had a diverse cast and talked about a lot of taboo issues that as a society we are still learning how to handle it. Therefore, there are many things that when we look back on them based in our consciousness and perspective of today it is with a certain look of criticism. However, there are other tv series like 13 Reasons Why and Euphoria that came a while after Glee and continued to repeat worse mistakes.
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Glee was one of the few tv shows in that period of time on television that had a diverse cast and talked about a lot of taboo issues that as a society we are still learning how to handle it. Therefore, there are many things that when we look back on them based in our consciousness and perspective of today it is with a certain look of criticism. However, there are other tv series like 13 Reasons Why and Euphoria that came a while after Glee and continued to repeat worse mistakes.
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Lordoftheapes79
You kinda gotta write off anything after season 3. The writers may have wanted to tackle some serious issues, but with all the crap going on behind the scenes and the way the show carried on, there just wasn't enough time in an episode to tell a proper story giving each character contracted screen time after you take out the time the songs used up.
I'm not saying they should get a pass, but your wasting your energy arguing that one. We all know and we knew back then.
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You kinda gotta write off anything after season 3. The writers may have wanted to tackle some serious issues, but with all the crap going on behind the scenes and the way the show carried on, there just wasn't enough time in an episode to tell a proper story giving each character contracted screen time after you take out the time the songs used up.
I'm not saying they should get a pass, but your wasting your energy arguing that one. We all know and we knew back then.
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c.
I would hate to be that person but the Artie and Beiste situation is part of just acting. I agree that it would be nice to give more opportunities to those of the disabled and trans communities respectively, but sometimes roles are given to people whose talents (and I hate to say, looks) best fit the role. Im not a bigot, I promise. When you act, you are usually, but not exclusively, a character that you are not.
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I would hate to be that person but the Artie and Beiste situation is part of just acting. I agree that it would be nice to give more opportunities to those of the disabled and trans communities respectively, but sometimes roles are given to people whose talents (and I hate to say, looks) best fit the role. Im not a bigot, I promise. When you act, you are usually, but not exclusively, a character that you are not.
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Queer
A lot wrong with the show, but I think the handling of Marley's eating disorder should have ranked #1. To handle a terrible condition so poorly is criminal. You also skipped Tina's stuttering that magically disappeared and I think was only explained she was faking once in one sentence. Given that she was faking, they missed an opportunity for a storyline regarding her feeling the need to fake the condition.
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A lot wrong with the show, but I think the handling of Marley's eating disorder should have ranked #1. To handle a terrible condition so poorly is criminal. You also skipped Tina's stuttering that magically disappeared and I think was only explained she was faking once in one sentence. Given that she was faking, they missed an opportunity for a storyline regarding her feeling the need to fake the condition.
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Elle02
TW ED
Can we also talk about how poorly EDs were treated not judged Marleys But also Santanas possible one (there was a joke about Oh like you eat and Santanas commenting about how all Shes all skin and bones that time were Sue made Mercedes lose 10lbs in a week. Quinn talked about how she would feel bad if she even ate a cookie. And also like Sue low key gave the Cheerios EDs
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TW ED
Can we also talk about how poorly EDs were treated not judged Marleys But also Santanas possible one (there was a joke about Oh like you eat and Santanas commenting about how all Shes all skin and bones that time were Sue made Mercedes lose 10lbs in a week. Quinn talked about how she would feel bad if she even ate a cookie. And also like Sue low key gave the Cheerios EDs
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Alexis
I dont like the Latino argument. Im Latino and I can tell you that the way Santana acted was accurate in some way. She was loud, angry, and rude but she was also nice, loving, and had a gentle spirit. Thats how most Latinos are were loud but we also do know when to shut up. And from experience I can tell you that Santana is accurate to how a lot of Latino are
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I dont like the Latino argument. Im Latino and I can tell you that the way Santana acted was accurate in some way. She was loud, angry, and rude but she was also nice, loving, and had a gentle spirit. Thats how most Latinos are were loud but we also do know when to shut up. And from experience I can tell you that Santana is accurate to how a lot of Latino are
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bw
As someone whose only way to move around is crutches and a walker or a wheelchair I was actually disappointed to find out that Kevin McHale did not actually need a wheelchair in real life. Dont get me wrong Im glad he didnt need a wheelchair But, I couldnt figure out why they wouldnt just hire a disabled actor and or actress. That makes more sense to me
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As someone whose only way to move around is crutches and a walker or a wheelchair I was actually disappointed to find out that Kevin McHale did not actually need a wheelchair in real life. Dont get me wrong Im glad he didnt need a wheelchair But, I couldnt figure out why they wouldnt just hire a disabled actor and or actress. That makes more sense to me
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Mak
I seriously considered to stop watching the show because of how terrible they handled marleys eating disorder. Especially with everything involving kitty making her clothes smaller. They should not have opened up such a sensitive topic like that if they are not going to finish it correctly.
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I seriously considered to stop watching the show because of how terrible they handled marleys eating disorder. Especially with everything involving kitty making her clothes smaller. They should not have opened up such a sensitive topic like that if they are not going to finish it correctly.
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Anthony
The 1st time I heard Kurt & Santana make their biphobic comments, I immediately thought to myself in separate times F. k you, Kurt & F. k you, Santana because they were insulting a group in their own community, proving that some LGBT+ people just arent always as nice as others think.
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The 1st time I heard Kurt & Santana make their biphobic comments, I immediately thought to myself in separate times F. k you, Kurt & F. k you, Santana because they were insulting a group in their own community, proving that some LGBT+ people just arent always as nice as others think.
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Will
Its called acting for a reading because you are being something your not there is nothing wrong with an able bodied person playing a disabled character. Its called acting its like saying that if you play someone who is a murder they have to be a murder. Msmojo learn what ACTING is
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Its called acting for a reading because you are being something your not there is nothing wrong with an able bodied person playing a disabled character. Its called acting its like saying that if you play someone who is a murder they have to be a murder. Msmojo learn what ACTING is
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Gellerbings
Glee was a cheesy, flamboyant comedy not to be taken seriously. Knowing that people nowadays would take offence to a TV show, goes to show how people these days don't know how to laugh.
On a side note, sue wouldn't be sue without her insults, she's hilarious!
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Glee was a cheesy, flamboyant comedy not to be taken seriously. Knowing that people nowadays would take offence to a TV show, goes to show how people these days don't know how to laugh.
On a side note, sue wouldn't be sue without her insults, she's hilarious!
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Michael
I feel like the first season of Glee was supposed to be a dark satire especially in the time of movies like High School Musical. The point is you weren't really supposed to like the characters. After a while though It just kind of became a parody of itself.
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I feel like the first season of Glee was supposed to be a dark satire especially in the time of movies like High School Musical. The point is you weren't really supposed to like the characters. After a while though It just kind of became a parody of itself.
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Anon
You forgot the girl who self-diagnosed with ASD and used it as an excuse to be an awful person. My husband has autism and that really pissed him off.
And when they casually dropped the t-slur during the Rocky Horror episode. That one always bugged me.
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You forgot the girl who self-diagnosed with ASD and used it as an excuse to be an awful person. My husband has autism and that really pissed him off.
And when they casually dropped the t-slur during the Rocky Horror episode. That one always bugged me.
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Elizabeth
I have Autism Spectrum Disorder and did not feel valid with Glees use of autism as an excuse for saying whatever you want. Glee did NOT do their homework on this! It was very disrespectful to those on the spectrum. (This is just my opinion.
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I have Autism Spectrum Disorder and did not feel valid with Glees use of autism as an excuse for saying whatever you want. Glee did NOT do their homework on this! It was very disrespectful to those on the spectrum. (This is just my opinion.
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Robert
First off, Marley has no reason to apologize when she's suffering from and illness. Also since it is an illness, it is an ongoing struggle or at least it should be. Also, isn't Sam stripping illegal since he seems to be under 18?
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First off, Marley has no reason to apologize when she's suffering from and illness. Also since it is an illness, it is an ongoing struggle or at least it should be. Also, isn't Sam stripping illegal since he seems to be under 18?
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F. M.
Im gonna be completely real as a gay person, but I never understood why hiring actors who arent disabled/gay/trans was such a big deal? Like yes it would be absolutely incredible to give more folk roles but acting is ACTING.
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Im gonna be completely real as a gay person, but I never understood why hiring actors who arent disabled/gay/trans was such a big deal? Like yes it would be absolutely incredible to give more folk roles but acting is ACTING.
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Ali
I HATED how they handled the eating disorder plotline. It was so clumsy and just disappeared after like two episodes. I'm worried that people will watch that and completely misunderstand what it's like to actually have an ED.
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I HATED how they handled the eating disorder plotline. It was so clumsy and just disappeared after like two episodes. I'm worried that people will watch that and completely misunderstand what it's like to actually have an ED.
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Nate
You are aware that it is acting, right? Is matching the character they are trying to portray as closely as possible diminishes the point of the art, and become more about diversity than the art itself.
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You are aware that it is acting, right? Is matching the character they are trying to portray as closely as possible diminishes the point of the art, and become more about diversity than the art itself.
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Rebecca
I really believe that April Rhodes was based on the character that Amy Sedaris played in Strangers With Candy. The entire show was a satirical view of how people are NOT supposed to behave.
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I really believe that April Rhodes was based on the character that Amy Sedaris played in Strangers With Candy. The entire show was a satirical view of how people are NOT supposed to behave.
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Dan
Literally every single Sue Sylvester line is offensive AF. For an actress in the LGBT community, they sure had her spewing a lot of racism, homophobia, and transphobia throughout the series.
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Literally every single Sue Sylvester line is offensive AF. For an actress in the LGBT community, they sure had her spewing a lot of racism, homophobia, and transphobia throughout the series.
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yogurt
#1 should have been Mr. Schue, NOTHING he did would have worked, he literally had them twerk, dance inappropriately, he literally spied on finn. in a SHOWER and a lot more
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#1 should have been Mr. Schue, NOTHING he did would have worked, he literally had them twerk, dance inappropriately, he literally spied on finn. in a SHOWER and a lot more
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TheJax84
Why do people believe that you have to BE that to ACT that? As someone who IS in a wheelchair I have no issues what so ever with an actor playing a disabled person.
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Why do people believe that you have to BE that to ACT that? As someone who IS in a wheelchair I have no issues what so ever with an actor playing a disabled person.
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Polina
Strict asian parents is a stereotype, but it's also true for many many asian kids. Not all of them, but for many. It's very relatable and i loved Mike's story arch.
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Strict asian parents is a stereotype, but it's also true for many many asian kids. Not all of them, but for many. It's very relatable and i loved Mike's story arch.
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