Queen Charlotte: A Bridgerton Story - Who Was the Real Queen?
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Date: 2023-11-21
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Priscilla
Queen Charlotte (1744-1818, wife of the English King George III (1738-1820, was directly descended from Margarita de Castro y Sousa, a Black branch of the Portuguese royal house. The riddle of Queen Charlotte's African ancestry was solved inadvertently as the result of an earlier investigation into imagery of the Black magi featured in certain 15th century Flemish paintings of the Christmas narrative. A couple of art historians had suggested that they must have been portraits of actual contemporaries since the artist, without seeing them, would not have been aware of the subtleties in coloring and facial bone structure of individuals of African descent, which these figures invariably represented. Enough evidence has been accumulated to propose that the models were, in all probability, members of the Portuguese de Sousa family. Several relatives had accompanied their cousin Princess Isabella to the Netherlands when she arrived there in 1429 to marry the grand duke, Philip the Good of Burgundy.
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Queen Charlotte (1744-1818, wife of the English King George III (1738-1820, was directly descended from Margarita de Castro y Sousa, a Black branch of the Portuguese royal house. The riddle of Queen Charlotte's African ancestry was solved inadvertently as the result of an earlier investigation into imagery of the Black magi featured in certain 15th century Flemish paintings of the Christmas narrative. A couple of art historians had suggested that they must have been portraits of actual contemporaries since the artist, without seeing them, would not have been aware of the subtleties in coloring and facial bone structure of individuals of African descent, which these figures invariably represented. Enough evidence has been accumulated to propose that the models were, in all probability, members of the Portuguese de Sousa family. Several relatives had accompanied their cousin Princess Isabella to the Netherlands when she arrived there in 1429 to marry the grand duke, Philip the Good of Burgundy.
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SJ
Even if she was black, I struggle to believe that would have changed things for the rest of the ton. Britain was involved in the slave trade still until 1807. So wouldn't black people, at least in high society, be considered generally as slaves. Just because one individual black person rises up, it's not going to change everything for everyone. When Barak Obama became the first black president, it didn't suddenly make all black Americans' lives better. One individual isn't enough to change a society's view on a race or gender, there needs to be a whole group.
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Even if she was black, I struggle to believe that would have changed things for the rest of the ton. Britain was involved in the slave trade still until 1807. So wouldn't black people, at least in high society, be considered generally as slaves. Just because one individual black person rises up, it's not going to change everything for everyone. When Barak Obama became the first black president, it didn't suddenly make all black Americans' lives better. One individual isn't enough to change a society's view on a race or gender, there needs to be a whole group.
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Unicorns
So many people missed that the entire show is FICTION. Not Historical fiction, not inspired by real events, it is straight fiction using some existing identities for characters either to garner interest of the readers or laziness of the writer.
Why do sooooo many people care that they cast a mixed person to play Queen Charlotte when the entire cast is playing high society England and are very diverse. Are these the same people angry that there aren't white people in Hamilton?
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So many people missed that the entire show is FICTION. Not Historical fiction, not inspired by real events, it is straight fiction using some existing identities for characters either to garner interest of the readers or laziness of the writer.
Why do sooooo many people care that they cast a mixed person to play Queen Charlotte when the entire cast is playing high society England and are very diverse. Are these the same people angry that there aren't white people in Hamilton?
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HIGHLANDER
The Moores aren't black, like most people from the African countries, because they were Persian decent, which are brown skinned with more Middle Eastern features, and the original people of the area are the Berbers who are white with green eyes. So, if the Moores did mix with any Portuguese ancestors of Charlotte, more likely, she would have either looked normal for her race, which is white with green eyes, or with mixed Mediterranean features, based on historical logic.
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The Moores aren't black, like most people from the African countries, because they were Persian decent, which are brown skinned with more Middle Eastern features, and the original people of the area are the Berbers who are white with green eyes. So, if the Moores did mix with any Portuguese ancestors of Charlotte, more likely, she would have either looked normal for her race, which is white with green eyes, or with mixed Mediterranean features, based on historical logic.
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DJ
Your journalism and take on history is poor to say the least. You use 1 historian of a certain persuasion to demonstrate a very poor point. Where's your critical analysis? What sources did you rely on? This depiction is as useful as doing nothing at all. Queen Charlotte Sophia is a real historical figure. If you can't get the facts right and offer some serious critical analysis then I suggest don't bother, you're not up to this level of 'story' telling.
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Your journalism and take on history is poor to say the least. You use 1 historian of a certain persuasion to demonstrate a very poor point. Where's your critical analysis? What sources did you rely on? This depiction is as useful as doing nothing at all. Queen Charlotte Sophia is a real historical figure. If you can't get the facts right and offer some serious critical analysis then I suggest don't bother, you're not up to this level of 'story' telling.
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Brisa
She was the second mixed race queen of England (the first for Great Britain. Queen Philippa of Hainualt was the first. She was queen regent in the 1300's. Edward 111 was her English husband. Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Streliz is a direct descendant of the African branch of the Portuguese royal family. She's responsible for Kew Gardens and the first maternity hospital in England. She had 15 children with her love of her life, King George 111.
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She was the second mixed race queen of England (the first for Great Britain. Queen Philippa of Hainualt was the first. She was queen regent in the 1300's. Edward 111 was her English husband. Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Streliz is a direct descendant of the African branch of the Portuguese royal family. She's responsible for Kew Gardens and the first maternity hospital in England. She had 15 children with her love of her life, King George 111.
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fanjoy
the actress who played young Charlotte, India Amarteifio, said she did not watch period drama because she did not feel represented. According to her logic, we ( white people) should not watch Charlotte because she (a non-white person) plays the role of a white queen? Queen Charlotte was white. Netflix blackwash history and is not the first time. Why they not invented a country and royals? why they used real historical figures?
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the actress who played young Charlotte, India Amarteifio, said she did not watch period drama because she did not feel represented. According to her logic, we ( white people) should not watch Charlotte because she (a non-white person) plays the role of a white queen? Queen Charlotte was white. Netflix blackwash history and is not the first time. Why they not invented a country and royals? why they used real historical figures?
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Lynwen10
The last presentation of debutantes at court was 1958 not 1978. One art historian started the story about Queen Charlotte and Netflix, Hollywood, etc, with their woke agenda decided to run with it. We are now seeing a blackwashing of European culture and history, and if anyone points out how culturally inaccurate it is then they are accused of being racist. The people who have fallen for this latest story have been conned.
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The last presentation of debutantes at court was 1958 not 1978. One art historian started the story about Queen Charlotte and Netflix, Hollywood, etc, with their woke agenda decided to run with it. We are now seeing a blackwashing of European culture and history, and if anyone points out how culturally inaccurate it is then they are accused of being racist. The people who have fallen for this latest story have been conned.
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Kraken
Its okay to turn white folks into black in shows but if a black person turn into white, pretty sure these blm hypocrites will be furious. Even Cleopatra now is apparently back and ariel too. White folks dont give them power they will become arrogant and change the actual history of your own culture.
Blm are just a bunch of hypocrites why you shoua care about their feelings where in fact they dont care about yours.
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Its okay to turn white folks into black in shows but if a black person turn into white, pretty sure these blm hypocrites will be furious. Even Cleopatra now is apparently back and ariel too. White folks dont give them power they will become arrogant and change the actual history of your own culture.
Blm are just a bunch of hypocrites why you shoua care about their feelings where in fact they dont care about yours.
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Eleanor
Charlotte also refused to let her daughters marry. After she died George IV consented to at least one of them getting married although the daughter was near 40 and past child bearing age (if I remember correctly. Also, George III is now believed not to be Porphyria but possibly some form of Bipolar, it has also been suggested that he had epilepsy and one attack caused a form of dementia hence the major decline.
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Charlotte also refused to let her daughters marry. After she died George IV consented to at least one of them getting married although the daughter was near 40 and past child bearing age (if I remember correctly. Also, George III is now believed not to be Porphyria but possibly some form of Bipolar, it has also been suggested that he had epilepsy and one attack caused a form of dementia hence the major decline.
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fanjoy
Quote regarding Queen Charlotte: If she was Black, historian Kate Williams said in 2009, this raises a lot of important suggestions about not only our royal family but those of most of Europe, considering that Queen Victorias descendants are spread across most of the royal families of Europe and beyond. Queen Charlottes dubious Racial background intrigued the Netflix shows creative team.
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Quote regarding Queen Charlotte: If she was Black, historian Kate Williams said in 2009, this raises a lot of important suggestions about not only our royal family but those of most of Europe, considering that Queen Victorias descendants are spread across most of the royal families of Europe and beyond. Queen Charlottes dubious Racial background intrigued the Netflix shows creative team.
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fanjoy
Glad most of the comparisons dont focus on race, the story was much bigger.
If we'd talk about accuracy of race then we'd have to show that the royals' life of over consumption, greed and, hardly ever working, was enabled by the inhumane exploitation of other nations. And that is also a story people dont want to see. So we have a parallel universe, in many ways, dipicted on the show.
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Glad most of the comparisons dont focus on race, the story was much bigger.
If we'd talk about accuracy of race then we'd have to show that the royals' life of over consumption, greed and, hardly ever working, was enabled by the inhumane exploitation of other nations. And that is also a story people dont want to see. So we have a parallel universe, in many ways, dipicted on the show.
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Lauren
Yeah I could care less about her race. Shes portrayed as black in the series because its fictional and only inspired by the time period. There are tons of black, brown, and Asian characters in the series. Its fictional and likely based on a historical revision of a better society. Yes, a better society. Our history is racist and disgusting. Shows like this are just imaging a what if!
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Yeah I could care less about her race. Shes portrayed as black in the series because its fictional and only inspired by the time period. There are tons of black, brown, and Asian characters in the series. Its fictional and likely based on a historical revision of a better society. Yes, a better society. Our history is racist and disgusting. Shows like this are just imaging a what if!
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fanjoy
Quote regardingQueenCharlotte If she wasBlack, historianKateWilliams said in 2009, this raises a lot of important suggestions about not only our royal family but those of most of Europe, considering thatQueenVictorias descendants are spread across most of the royal families of Europe and beyond. QueenCharlottes dubiousRacial background intrigued the Netflix shows creative team.
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Quote regardingQueenCharlotte If she wasBlack, historianKateWilliams said in 2009, this raises a lot of important suggestions about not only our royal family but those of most of Europe, considering thatQueenVictorias descendants are spread across most of the royal families of Europe and beyond. QueenCharlottes dubiousRacial background intrigued the Netflix shows creative team.
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Spring
I dont understand what's wrong that Hollywood must use black actress for white people history. If Hollywood wants to give opportunity for other races (black - brown - red - yellow) there is not only black is different with white, Hollywood could do movie about history or legend of black. Why could Hollywood steal history and legend of white skin for black. That is a problem.
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I dont understand what's wrong that Hollywood must use black actress for white people history. If Hollywood wants to give opportunity for other races (black - brown - red - yellow) there is not only black is different with white, Hollywood could do movie about history or legend of black. Why could Hollywood steal history and legend of white skin for black. That is a problem.
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fanjoy
Quote continued - Queen Charlotte directly descended from Margarita de Castro y Sousa, a black branch of the Portuguese Royal House. While researching a racial classification and the social phenomenon commonly known as passing, Frontline expanded on claims made as early as the 1940s about the royals mixed race background, citing several official portraits as evidence.
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Quote continued - Queen Charlotte directly descended from Margarita de Castro y Sousa, a black branch of the Portuguese Royal House. While researching a racial classification and the social phenomenon commonly known as passing, Frontline expanded on claims made as early as the 1940s about the royals mixed race background, citing several official portraits as evidence.
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fanjoy
Quote continued: Many historians believe that Queen Charlotte was of mixed cultural heritage, executive producer and director Tom Verica told the streamers editorial arm Tudum. We wanted to take that in a different direction than what the history books have said happenedwhich was basically to bury that and not deal with it. We wanted to shine a light on that element.
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Quote continued: Many historians believe that Queen Charlotte was of mixed cultural heritage, executive producer and director Tom Verica told the streamers editorial arm Tudum. We wanted to take that in a different direction than what the history books have said happenedwhich was basically to bury that and not deal with it. We wanted to shine a light on that element.
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fanjoy
Quote continued: ManyHistorians believe thatQueenCharlotte was ofMixedCulturalHeritage, executive producer and directorTomVerica told the streamers editorial armTudum. We wanted to take that in a different direction than what the history books have said happenedwhich was basically to bury that and not deal with it. We wanted to shine a light on that element.
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Quote continued: ManyHistorians believe thatQueenCharlotte was ofMixedCulturalHeritage, executive producer and directorTomVerica told the streamers editorial armTudum. We wanted to take that in a different direction than what the history books have said happenedwhich was basically to bury that and not deal with it. We wanted to shine a light on that element.
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fanjoy
Well-NetflixbeautifulCleopatra DocumentaryBlackRoyalty Queens Series based on true historical facts dating back to BC/AD - she was mixed withBlack in her as well asBlack features. And in anAfricanContinent at that! AndNetflixBridgerton Series based on true factsBlack Royalty including beautifulQueenCharlotte hadBlack in her, as well asBlack features.
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Well-NetflixbeautifulCleopatra DocumentaryBlackRoyalty Queens Series based on true historical facts dating back to BC/AD - she was mixed withBlack in her as well asBlack features. And in anAfricanContinent at that! AndNetflixBridgerton Series based on true factsBlack Royalty including beautifulQueenCharlotte hadBlack in her, as well asBlack features.
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Nebuca
I live half an hour away from Neustrelitz, where Charlotte came from - and an hour away from castle Mirow. I was there twice and was really disappointed to see that they didn't show the original castle Mirow in the new series, but another one. Mirow is beautiful! It would have fit so well! And it looks prettier than what they showed in the series!
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I live half an hour away from Neustrelitz, where Charlotte came from - and an hour away from castle Mirow. I was there twice and was really disappointed to see that they didn't show the original castle Mirow in the new series, but another one. Mirow is beautiful! It would have fit so well! And it looks prettier than what they showed in the series!
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fanjoy
Quote continued: Six different lines can be traced from English Queen Charlotte back to Margarita de Castro y Sousa, in a gene pool which because of royal inbreeding was already minuscule, thus explaining the Queen's unmistakable African appearance, historian Mario deValdes y Cocom asserts in his findings.
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Quote continued: Six different lines can be traced from English Queen Charlotte back to Margarita de Castro y Sousa, in a gene pool which because of royal inbreeding was already minuscule, thus explaining the Queen's unmistakable African appearance, historian Mario deValdes y Cocom asserts in his findings.
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fanjoy
Quote continued: When the research was first published in 1999, the Sunday Times wrote, an American genealogist has established that Queen Charlotte, the wife of George III, was directly descended from the illegitimate son of an African mistress in the Portuguese royal house.
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Quote continued: When the research was first published in 1999, the Sunday Times wrote, an American genealogist has established that Queen Charlotte, the wife of George III, was directly descended from the illegitimate son of an African mistress in the Portuguese royal house.
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Margarida
Such a tiny tiny thing but I feel it is my duty as Portuguese to correct it - Alfonso is not a Portuguese name - thats a spaniardized version of the name - its actually Afonso (with a soft s, like ss) and the name of a lot of our kings
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Such a tiny tiny thing but I feel it is my duty as Portuguese to correct it - Alfonso is not a Portuguese name - thats a spaniardized version of the name - its actually Afonso (with a soft s, like ss) and the name of a lot of our kings
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Matiesha
Look at yall, arguing over someone that wouldn't have given a shit about either of you peasants. Lol ppl hate to see black folks in position of power. Face it blacks were kind and queens. Dukes and lords. Smh. stop being childish ppl.
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Look at yall, arguing over someone that wouldn't have given a shit about either of you peasants. Lol ppl hate to see black folks in position of power. Face it blacks were kind and queens. Dukes and lords. Smh. stop being childish ppl.
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Egyptian
It's so funny to me how wt people complain about white history being erased by black actors as if wt people haven't done that towards other races in biopic movies over the decades. Ghandi and Cleopatra are just two examples of that.
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It's so funny to me how wt people complain about white history being erased by black actors as if wt people haven't done that towards other races in biopic movies over the decades. Ghandi and Cleopatra are just two examples of that.
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Rocky
People should realize also that a lot of Germans back then (especially in small provinces) had darker skin. Henry VIIIs 4th wife Anne of cleves was also described as having dark skin, regardless of what people perceive to be as race
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People should realize also that a lot of Germans back then (especially in small provinces) had darker skin. Henry VIIIs 4th wife Anne of cleves was also described as having dark skin, regardless of what people perceive to be as race
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Diana
This is very misleading when it come to real history. There were no black people in the Royal family's. Also I find it so strange, that a lot of people believe this is based on a true story. People are so dumb and easily fooled.
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This is very misleading when it come to real history. There were no black people in the Royal family's. Also I find it so strange, that a lot of people believe this is based on a true story. People are so dumb and easily fooled.
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MegaMaxiepad
This comes from the same network that produced a documentary where someone states my granny told me that it don't matter what they teach me in school, Cleopatra was black. Who can take such documentary seriously?
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This comes from the same network that produced a documentary where someone states my granny told me that it don't matter what they teach me in school, Cleopatra was black. Who can take such documentary seriously?
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Brown-Eyed
Except now, it's debated that porphyria was actually what was wrong and more investigation makes experts believe it was actually bipolar disorder. At least from what I've read in studies and other papers
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Except now, it's debated that porphyria was actually what was wrong and more investigation makes experts believe it was actually bipolar disorder. At least from what I've read in studies and other papers
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Zachary
Was such a great series! There is a note at the beginning to let people know that although it pulls from factual events and people, it was not meant to be a documentary in any shape or form.
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Was such a great series! There is a note at the beginning to let people know that although it pulls from factual events and people, it was not meant to be a documentary in any shape or form.
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