PC Without a GPU: Intel UHD 750 Benchmarks vs. GT 1030 GDDR5 & UHD 630
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Date: 2021-04-09
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AC3
A lot of the time, I tend to look at what Dell, HP, and other prebuilt systems offer, and then see about upgrading those.
In the past I was able to upgrade dell dimensions, and later, Optiplex.
My fav system to this day has been a Vostro system, that was very good, and needed only minor modification to upgrade the powersupply to allow for better graphics.
The problem nowadays, is that many prebuilts while you CAN put physicaly smaller cards in them, the PS they come with can't handle the demands, and the configuration of the case, as well as the propritary hookup of the powersupply to the MB (uses as split plug system of 2x3, and then 1x6 connectors), Which makes it difficult at best, impossible at worst.
I'm hoping that with new motherboard power standards, things will change to the degree we can swap out new system power supplies for aftermarket compatable PS.
Only thing is we're going to start seeing a lot of these older junker systems being recycled a lot more now, much like we used to see dual core CPU low profile machines back in the day, and still do to this day.
(this is why I've been fuming at the card makers over the last few years, the ONLY card that's fit a low profile machine from my mom's office computer has been...the 1030.
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A lot of the time, I tend to look at what Dell, HP, and other prebuilt systems offer, and then see about upgrading those.
In the past I was able to upgrade dell dimensions, and later, Optiplex.
My fav system to this day has been a Vostro system, that was very good, and needed only minor modification to upgrade the powersupply to allow for better graphics.
The problem nowadays, is that many prebuilts while you CAN put physicaly smaller cards in them, the PS they come with can't handle the demands, and the configuration of the case, as well as the propritary hookup of the powersupply to the MB (uses as split plug system of 2x3, and then 1x6 connectors), Which makes it difficult at best, impossible at worst.
I'm hoping that with new motherboard power standards, things will change to the degree we can swap out new system power supplies for aftermarket compatable PS.
Only thing is we're going to start seeing a lot of these older junker systems being recycled a lot more now, much like we used to see dual core CPU low profile machines back in the day, and still do to this day.
(this is why I've been fuming at the card makers over the last few years, the ONLY card that's fit a low profile machine from my mom's office computer has been...the 1030.
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Pixel
Generally with IGPUs I tend to lock single player games to a console-like 30fps. (easy to do with riva tuner statistic server, which is included in msi afterburner). This usually gives the iGPU a lot of headroom, and you won't see massive spikes in frame times. I would recommend looking away from competetive games since it doesn't offer that good of an experience. older single player AAA games form the XBOX360 era both look and play beautifully on iGPUs. Bioshock-series, Dishonored, Dead Space, Batman Arkham Asylum, Dirt 3, Skyrim, Burnout Paradise, Rayman Legends, Child of Light. And then there's of course indie games and pixel art games. However, don't shy away from exploring Half Life 2 mods, as well as Doom mods (gzdoom engine). Project Brutality/Brutal Doom, and cool map projects like Diabolous EX, is just to name a few that brings Doom up to increadible modern standards.... I don't know how many hundred hours I have spent killing deamons in Doom mods at high resolutions and blistering framerates on iGPUs. :D
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Generally with IGPUs I tend to lock single player games to a console-like 30fps. (easy to do with riva tuner statistic server, which is included in msi afterburner). This usually gives the iGPU a lot of headroom, and you won't see massive spikes in frame times. I would recommend looking away from competetive games since it doesn't offer that good of an experience. older single player AAA games form the XBOX360 era both look and play beautifully on iGPUs. Bioshock-series, Dishonored, Dead Space, Batman Arkham Asylum, Dirt 3, Skyrim, Burnout Paradise, Rayman Legends, Child of Light. And then there's of course indie games and pixel art games. However, don't shy away from exploring Half Life 2 mods, as well as Doom mods (gzdoom engine). Project Brutality/Brutal Doom, and cool map projects like Diabolous EX, is just to name a few that brings Doom up to increadible modern standards.... I don't know how many hundred hours I have spent killing deamons in Doom mods at high resolutions and blistering framerates on iGPUs. :D
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Jonathan
This is some interesting testing. I would personally think the gddr5 1030 would be worth a purchase, if you are stuck and can't get anything else. My niece has used one for years to game and she is still happy with it for the games she plays anyway. Though personally I would check out the used market for a used card, I just did a build with a R9 380, it's still a good card and not outrageously priced, the customer was happy with it for now considering the market.
My only observation is I would set the resolutions slider down to say 80% to see if the performance increased enough to justify the reduction in image quality with the IGPU, I think it's realistic to expect people to try that in games with very bad frame pacing.
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This is some interesting testing. I would personally think the gddr5 1030 would be worth a purchase, if you are stuck and can't get anything else. My niece has used one for years to game and she is still happy with it for the games she plays anyway. Though personally I would check out the used market for a used card, I just did a build with a R9 380, it's still a good card and not outrageously priced, the customer was happy with it for now considering the market.
My only observation is I would set the resolutions slider down to say 80% to see if the performance increased enough to justify the reduction in image quality with the IGPU, I think it's realistic to expect people to try that in games with very bad frame pacing.
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Lucid
speaking of a GT 1030, my pc has been running with a 1030 for a few months now. Sold my 2060 to a mate for 250, in hopes of buying a 5700XT or 2070 super, but i've straight given up for now. Had a look yesterday on gumtree....people are selling GTX 1060 3gb cards for 350, and 6gb models for 450. Used 1660 ti for 700, a few 300-400 GTX 970's...its a mess.
Everyone has turned into straight up opportunists. Its 720p skyrim SE and cities skylines for me until i either top myself from withdrawals, or throw a weeks wage on something equal to what i sold a few months ago for a days work lol.
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speaking of a GT 1030, my pc has been running with a 1030 for a few months now. Sold my 2060 to a mate for 250, in hopes of buying a 5700XT or 2070 super, but i've straight given up for now. Had a look yesterday on gumtree....people are selling GTX 1060 3gb cards for 350, and 6gb models for 450. Used 1660 ti for 700, a few 300-400 GTX 970's...its a mess.
Everyone has turned into straight up opportunists. Its 720p skyrim SE and cities skylines for me until i either top myself from withdrawals, or throw a weeks wage on something equal to what i sold a few months ago for a days work lol.
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Maya
This GPU shortage really makes me wonder whether people are just selling off their old rig before they get the parts for the new one. I have always considered the ability of PCs to be upgraded piecemeal one of their strengths.
I currently got a 6700K with GTX980 Ti and a solid power supply (Seasonic 660p). If I were to upgrade it, I'd likely replace the CPU, mainboard and RAM, but keep the GPU, PSU, case and optical drive. Maybe get a GPU at some point in the near-ish future. But ending up without a GPU? Are these people upgrading from a laptop or something?
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This GPU shortage really makes me wonder whether people are just selling off their old rig before they get the parts for the new one. I have always considered the ability of PCs to be upgraded piecemeal one of their strengths.
I currently got a 6700K with GTX980 Ti and a solid power supply (Seasonic 660p). If I were to upgrade it, I'd likely replace the CPU, mainboard and RAM, but keep the GPU, PSU, case and optical drive. Maybe get a GPU at some point in the near-ish future. But ending up without a GPU? Are these people upgrading from a laptop or something?
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Clayton
Besides the troubleshooting capabilities of having the IGP, for those that have a dual monitors, the IGP connected to your secondary display helps to lower the resting speed of your discrete graphics card. When connecting two or more monitors to your Graphics card you will notice in Afterburner that the GPU will run faster at idle and therefore hotter. When I connected my 2nd panel to my motherboard's HDMI, my 2070 Super idles at 360 Mhz instead of 720 MHz and the temps came down from the low to mid 50's to the mid 30's.
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Besides the troubleshooting capabilities of having the IGP, for those that have a dual monitors, the IGP connected to your secondary display helps to lower the resting speed of your discrete graphics card. When connecting two or more monitors to your Graphics card you will notice in Afterburner that the GPU will run faster at idle and therefore hotter. When I connected my 2nd panel to my motherboard's HDMI, my 2070 Super idles at 360 Mhz instead of 720 MHz and the temps came down from the low to mid 50's to the mid 30's.
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Lishtenbird
Another, minor, advantage of having the iGPU version of a CPU is that once it becomes obsolete, you can repurpose it into an extra home machine, like a NAS or an HTPC. Obviously, it will be less power-efficient at that point compared to one made of new components, and technologies can even change too much for it to be relevant at all, but that way it still gets more potential lifetime of its own before becoming e-waste.
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Another, minor, advantage of having the iGPU version of a CPU is that once it becomes obsolete, you can repurpose it into an extra home machine, like a NAS or an HTPC. Obviously, it will be less power-efficient at that point compared to one made of new components, and technologies can even change too much for it to be relevant at all, but that way it still gets more potential lifetime of its own before becoming e-waste.
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Takumi
For me the only valid reason to go Intel now is iGP and quick sync, if I'm building a machine dedicated to video processing like an Windows NVR, a 10th gen core i3 with quick sync accelerated transcoding will beat the ryzen 7 a few folds over. Quality is not the best with quick sync yes, but if a customer has a budget of 250, cheap and old Intels will be a good choice.
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For me the only valid reason to go Intel now is iGP and quick sync, if I'm building a machine dedicated to video processing like an Windows NVR, a 10th gen core i3 with quick sync accelerated transcoding will beat the ryzen 7 a few folds over. Quality is not the best with quick sync yes, but if a customer has a budget of 250, cheap and old Intels will be a good choice.
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CryptoGyan
You do know that games can be played in Windowed mode with lower resolutions. The smaller window means 720p doesn't look blurry even on a 1080p/1440p/4k screen.
So not testing at 720p on igpu's or a card like 1030 is really retarded as even newer games like cyberpunk may be very playable for those willing to put up with console like fps.
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You do know that games can be played in Windowed mode with lower resolutions. The smaller window means 720p doesn't look blurry even on a 1080p/1440p/4k screen.
So not testing at 720p on igpu's or a card like 1030 is really retarded as even newer games like cyberpunk may be very playable for those willing to put up with console like fps.
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AeonMW2
your memory timings are probably atrocious since there is no uplift in performance or even performance degradation in minecraft. nicely tuned 4000 MT/s RAM like mine current dual rank 4x8 4000 15-16-16-33 tRFC 360 tCWL 16 tFAW 16 tWR 16 tRTP 12 tCKE 6 tRRDS/L 4/8 tWTRS/L 6/10 and 7/4/7/7 tertieries will destroy that 3200 cl 14
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your memory timings are probably atrocious since there is no uplift in performance or even performance degradation in minecraft. nicely tuned 4000 MT/s RAM like mine current dual rank 4x8 4000 15-16-16-33 tRFC 360 tCWL 16 tFAW 16 tWR 16 tRTP 12 tCKE 6 tRRDS/L 4/8 tWTRS/L 6/10 and 7/4/7/7 tertieries will destroy that 3200 cl 14
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