AMD Hits Hard: Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. i9-12900KS
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Date: 2022-04-14
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QuantumS1ngularity
Damn.. think of all the few months old 5800X and 5600X cpus that are about to hit the used market now. Talking about going out with a bang, that really is a proper way to say goodbye to AM4. Probably the best CPU to have for gaming before the 2nd gen AM5s, because we all know the difference between 1st and 2nd gen will be huge. As for intel and their 800 sand... it's just Intel doing Intel things. I know there will be price cuts, but i doubt they will ever drop it below 700 and in Europe it will still be over 900 anyway. But the thing that impresses me the most is the manufacturing process that allows AMD to just add more of what they want to the chip, w/o changing the cooling or the socket. The potential here for the new platform is just astonishing.
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Damn.. think of all the few months old 5800X and 5600X cpus that are about to hit the used market now. Talking about going out with a bang, that really is a proper way to say goodbye to AM4. Probably the best CPU to have for gaming before the 2nd gen AM5s, because we all know the difference between 1st and 2nd gen will be huge. As for intel and their 800 sand... it's just Intel doing Intel things. I know there will be price cuts, but i doubt they will ever drop it below 700 and in Europe it will still be over 900 anyway. But the thing that impresses me the most is the manufacturing process that allows AMD to just add more of what they want to the chip, w/o changing the cooling or the socket. The potential here for the new platform is just astonishing.
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Spartan0536
This product does not hit .. it DESTROYS.
I promise you Intel is sweating bullets right now, not so much because of the interim performance but by the fact they now know AMD has a real solution to their cache issues that can be implemented on all of their CPU's going forward, and its an industry first. AMD just showed up Intel again that just boosting voltages and clock speeds can be negated and even defeated by real innovation.
Its not so much about the benchmark placing as shown, its the fact that the tech works and provides meaningful and in some cases astonishing performance increases while making the CPU more efficient and price competitive, that is where the real wins are, and the wins there are staggering.
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This product does not hit .. it DESTROYS.
I promise you Intel is sweating bullets right now, not so much because of the interim performance but by the fact they now know AMD has a real solution to their cache issues that can be implemented on all of their CPU's going forward, and its an industry first. AMD just showed up Intel again that just boosting voltages and clock speeds can be negated and even defeated by real innovation.
Its not so much about the benchmark placing as shown, its the fact that the tech works and provides meaningful and in some cases astonishing performance increases while making the CPU more efficient and price competitive, that is where the real wins are, and the wins there are staggering.
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itech
This is purely marketing BS from AMD. First of all, for most games CPU performance rarely matters beyond a point - the point which most new CPUs cross very comfortably. I can run CP at ultra/high settings on my i5-8400 on 2k 144FPS (because I have 1080). If you are a gaming enthusiast, you should spend more on the GPU. That brings us to the next point - none of these AMD processors are PCIe 5.0 compliant. It means that they will not be able to exploit the next gen Nvidia, Intel or AMD GPUS! Why would anyone want to lock out to a last gen architecture for like 5% boost in FPS?
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This is purely marketing BS from AMD. First of all, for most games CPU performance rarely matters beyond a point - the point which most new CPUs cross very comfortably. I can run CP at ultra/high settings on my i5-8400 on 2k 144FPS (because I have 1080). If you are a gaming enthusiast, you should spend more on the GPU. That brings us to the next point - none of these AMD processors are PCIe 5.0 compliant. It means that they will not be able to exploit the next gen Nvidia, Intel or AMD GPUS! Why would anyone want to lock out to a last gen architecture for like 5% boost in FPS?
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Ivan
I'm shocked how the 5800x 3d is better than the 5900x (which is what i have) and the 5950x on almost all the benchmarks. Tbh though, i feel like the 5900x that i have is quite frankly sufficient. I'm getting 1890 178-190 FPS on warzone on high settings, with filters on i'm getting like 145 FPS only because details/sharpening really draws so much extra processing. I'll be making the jump to 4080 GPU from my 3080 but i feel like the CPU will not be touched for a while.
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I'm shocked how the 5800x 3d is better than the 5900x (which is what i have) and the 5950x on almost all the benchmarks. Tbh though, i feel like the 5900x that i have is quite frankly sufficient. I'm getting 1890 178-190 FPS on warzone on high settings, with filters on i'm getting like 145 FPS only because details/sharpening really draws so much extra processing. I'll be making the jump to 4080 GPU from my 3080 but i feel like the CPU will not be touched for a while.
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h91
Now to figure out what I swap my 2700 out for. One of these, or bank on a higher core CPU being better going forward. Great to see both AMD and Intel pushing each other again though. If AMD can figure out a way around the thermal and voltage limitations though to keep clock speeds higher and temps lower, they have a fantastic technology to mature and work upon and that can only get better. I suspect the 5800X3D, given the AM4 retiring is more for proof of concept.
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Now to figure out what I swap my 2700 out for. One of these, or bank on a higher core CPU being better going forward. Great to see both AMD and Intel pushing each other again though. If AMD can figure out a way around the thermal and voltage limitations though to keep clock speeds higher and temps lower, they have a fantastic technology to mature and work upon and that can only get better. I suspect the 5800X3D, given the AM4 retiring is more for proof of concept.
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ravewulf
The benchmarks on Tom's hardware show that x264 and x265 encoding sees a slight improvement despite the lower clock speed, so it would be cool to investigate what the improvement would be at the same clocks. More cores is best but it could give some insight into how much it could contribute to improvements when 3D V-Cache is eventually included in higher core count CPUs (though not on AM4)
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The benchmarks on Tom's hardware show that x264 and x265 encoding sees a slight improvement despite the lower clock speed, so it would be cool to investigate what the improvement would be at the same clocks. More cores is best but it could give some insight into how much it could contribute to improvements when 3D V-Cache is eventually included in higher core count CPUs (though not on AM4)
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Cal
As someone who currently has a R7 2700X on an MSI B450 Tomahawk (NOT max), I was going to go for the 5900X now that it has dipped in price, but it feels like the 5800X3D really is the way to go longevity-wise if all I care about is gaming on the same setup while seeing how AM5 launches and fares afterwards. Thank you very much for this video, offers the insight that I needed!
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As someone who currently has a R7 2700X on an MSI B450 Tomahawk (NOT max), I was going to go for the 5900X now that it has dipped in price, but it feels like the 5800X3D really is the way to go longevity-wise if all I care about is gaming on the same setup while seeing how AM5 launches and fares afterwards. Thank you very much for this video, offers the insight that I needed!
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Entenkommando
LTT has the 12900k almost always ahead of the 5800X3D. The differences are pretty small but they used 3600 CL16 . Perhaps you could look into RAM couplings with this CPU specifically. Does the large amount of Cache perhaps mean that low latency memory delivers proportionally more performance? Or is your 3200 CL14 kit generally better than a 3600 CL16 kit?
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LTT has the 12900k almost always ahead of the 5800X3D. The differences are pretty small but they used 3600 CL16 . Perhaps you could look into RAM couplings with this CPU specifically. Does the large amount of Cache perhaps mean that low latency memory delivers proportionally more performance? Or is your 3200 CL14 kit generally better than a 3600 CL16 kit?
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Silveredbullet
If AMD can solve the overclocking or voltage problem with the 3D V-cache then we might even see higher competition with Intel and a new lineup of 3D CPU's OC and non-OC variants. Might also get some mid-range spec entry level CPU's in the future, every gamer will be happy about that but pricing is also the real question.
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If AMD can solve the overclocking or voltage problem with the 3D V-cache then we might even see higher competition with Intel and a new lineup of 3D CPU's OC and non-OC variants. Might also get some mid-range spec entry level CPU's in the future, every gamer will be happy about that but pricing is also the real question.
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Richard
Will drivers and software upgrades better improve how 3dvcache is used and taken advantage of? It is new. When ryzen first launched alot of software had to be improved to take advantage of AMD's new way of doing things. When zen 1 came out I think they even had to update cinabench? I could be wrong.
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Will drivers and software upgrades better improve how 3dvcache is used and taken advantage of? It is new. When ryzen first launched alot of software had to be improved to take advantage of AMD's new way of doing things. When zen 1 came out I think they even had to update cinabench? I could be wrong.
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