NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super & 2060 Super Review: Killing Radeon VII
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Date: 2020-05-06
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Dakota
So you are willing to pay extra for a feature that barely works on the 2080Ti and you will not be able to use on this card with only 8GB of RAM. Ray Tracing is a gimmick, albeit a good one, to justify this price hike. Just my opinion but fake lighting is really good, Ray Tracing is great. I am happy paying less for really good with faster frames. No need for a 4K monitor with over 60hz refresh if turning on Ray Tracing gives you below 60hz. You might as well go backwards and get a 1080P monitor to keep the refresh up but now you have a lower overall resolution so the lighting will look a little better. WHAT. I bought a Radeon VII for 1073 after taxes with 3 free games that I planned on getting eventually. Those 3 games list for a total of 270 after taxes here in Canada so technically the card cost me 803. I have a liquid cooled system so I bought an EK water block costing around 270 after taxes and shipping bringing the cost of the card back up to around 1100. I think I know why some people are still getting high temps with a water block installed. The risers to install the back plate loosen when removing it. I could see that the card was warped because of this. I removed the back plate, put some red Loctite on the risers and reinstalled with no warping. The Loctite is not necessary, I had some so I used it. Just on the risers screwing into the board, not the screws holding the backplate on the board. Do not do that. The block will need cleaning eventually but the risers stay on for that. My temps average between 36 and 46 degrees C depending on the game with an OC of 1901 core 1152 mv, power limit of 14%, memory clocked 1144, memory timing of 2 on a 24/7 OC'd I7 5930K running at 4. 18GHZ at an avg of 38 C, no voltage increase. My CPU and GPU will easily go faster but I currently do not need faster. My LG monitor runs at 3440x1440 75hz. I also have an Oculus Rift and if you built a min spec PC for VR it will suck. I previously owned 2) Fury X's hoping Liquid VR was going to be a real thing. I believe only Serious Sam supported that. I chose wrong. This card was what VR needed along with the 1080Ti and up. If you have to turn all of your features off to play in VR it will suck. Not really a news flash as to why VR is not as popular as it should be. Too many people have had a terrible experience in VR to want to get it. Lucky was right to hold back the release ( I wanted it sooner like everyone else ) and if HTC would have waited a year longer the initial release would have been met with better, more VR friendly PC hardware. I upgrade my system every 4 years, roughly. With liquid cooling and 16GB of HBM2 I feel like I can stretch my cards purpose to at least four years. I know people are going to say for that price I could have bought the RTX 2080 Ti. At the time of purchase the RTX 2080Ti in Canada was going for between 1700 and 2500 on Amazon. ca. Hard GFY. I liquid cool my PC for a couple reasons and one is to keep my computer room cool because I am always hot. Especially in VR. I would need to buy a WB for that card as well. The 2080Ti is the most powerful card available even without Ray Tracing but not at that price point. Not even close. I am not a fanboy sheep of any corporation, wake up. I have owned many GPU's from other companies over the years including Trident, Matrox, 3DFX, and Nvidia along with numerous ATI cards. Unfortunately my love for 3DFX did not carry over to the company that acquired it. My first PC was a Tandy 1000 SX. I also loved my Gravis Ultrasound MAX with 512KB of memory. I am old but I greatly appreciate where we are technically, even though many companies, patents, are holding us back. Most nostalgic moments have a time stamp locked in history. Meaning I have no desire to go back to any old tech, no matter how much I loved it at the time. I miss having more competition in the GPU arena. Sorry, not sorry for rambling.
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So you are willing to pay extra for a feature that barely works on the 2080Ti and you will not be able to use on this card with only 8GB of RAM. Ray Tracing is a gimmick, albeit a good one, to justify this price hike. Just my opinion but fake lighting is really good, Ray Tracing is great. I am happy paying less for really good with faster frames. No need for a 4K monitor with over 60hz refresh if turning on Ray Tracing gives you below 60hz. You might as well go backwards and get a 1080P monitor to keep the refresh up but now you have a lower overall resolution so the lighting will look a little better. WHAT. I bought a Radeon VII for 1073 after taxes with 3 free games that I planned on getting eventually. Those 3 games list for a total of 270 after taxes here in Canada so technically the card cost me 803. I have a liquid cooled system so I bought an EK water block costing around 270 after taxes and shipping bringing the cost of the card back up to around 1100. I think I know why some people are still getting high temps with a water block installed. The risers to install the back plate loosen when removing it. I could see that the card was warped because of this. I removed the back plate, put some red Loctite on the risers and reinstalled with no warping. The Loctite is not necessary, I had some so I used it. Just on the risers screwing into the board, not the screws holding the backplate on the board. Do not do that. The block will need cleaning eventually but the risers stay on for that. My temps average between 36 and 46 degrees C depending on the game with an OC of 1901 core 1152 mv, power limit of 14%, memory clocked 1144, memory timing of 2 on a 24/7 OC'd I7 5930K running at 4. 18GHZ at an avg of 38 C, no voltage increase. My CPU and GPU will easily go faster but I currently do not need faster. My LG monitor runs at 3440x1440 75hz. I also have an Oculus Rift and if you built a min spec PC for VR it will suck. I previously owned 2) Fury X's hoping Liquid VR was going to be a real thing. I believe only Serious Sam supported that. I chose wrong. This card was what VR needed along with the 1080Ti and up. If you have to turn all of your features off to play in VR it will suck. Not really a news flash as to why VR is not as popular as it should be. Too many people have had a terrible experience in VR to want to get it. Lucky was right to hold back the release ( I wanted it sooner like everyone else ) and if HTC would have waited a year longer the initial release would have been met with better, more VR friendly PC hardware. I upgrade my system every 4 years, roughly. With liquid cooling and 16GB of HBM2 I feel like I can stretch my cards purpose to at least four years. I know people are going to say for that price I could have bought the RTX 2080 Ti. At the time of purchase the RTX 2080Ti in Canada was going for between 1700 and 2500 on Amazon. ca. Hard GFY. I liquid cool my PC for a couple reasons and one is to keep my computer room cool because I am always hot. Especially in VR. I would need to buy a WB for that card as well. The 2080Ti is the most powerful card available even without Ray Tracing but not at that price point. Not even close. I am not a fanboy sheep of any corporation, wake up. I have owned many GPU's from other companies over the years including Trident, Matrox, 3DFX, and Nvidia along with numerous ATI cards. Unfortunately my love for 3DFX did not carry over to the company that acquired it. My first PC was a Tandy 1000 SX. I also loved my Gravis Ultrasound MAX with 512KB of memory. I am old but I greatly appreciate where we are technically, even though many companies, patents, are holding us back. Most nostalgic moments have a time stamp locked in history. Meaning I have no desire to go back to any old tech, no matter how much I loved it at the time. I miss having more competition in the GPU arena. Sorry, not sorry for rambling.
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what
NVIDIA GAME DEAL WARNING (control + wolfenstein young blood) - SCAM this deal does not work how you expect. you have to but it from a certain retailer and before buying sign up for the deal. nowhere did it tell me this. not anywhere obvious anyway. a clear scam. i bought a 2070 super. one of the most ludicrously expensive purchases of my life. when it arrived i searched through the box only to find there were no game codes. i searched the internet. found a very confusing set of instructions on nvidias website. i searched more. eventually found a bit more information. so it seems you need to either buy the card directly from nvidia or from one of their few approved partners. how the flip was i supposed to know this? i bought this expecting to get over 100nzd worth of games. now i apparently am not entitled to them even though i bought their damn graphics card during their damn game deal. this is so incredibly shady. i just cant believe it. and to make matters worse. the other website in nz i considered buying it from is now, two days later, 20 cheaper and displaying that it supports the game deal! i just lost minimum 120 worth of content! the 20 is my fault for not waiting, i accept that. but the games are daylight robbery. theft. darnit. im usually good with money too. as cheap as they get. for some reason i was suddenly convinced if i waited any longer the prices would only go up. they usually do. i had to hold off upgrading my gtx760 to a 1060 for almost two years for the prices to go back down to acceptable amounts. ive done my fair share of waiting. so i thought, just this once, ill be one of the 'smart' ones and get in quick while they are cheap. lol. idiot. that cost me 20nzd. that sucks. and to think i ALWAYS time my petrol fillup for the days when its 4c cheaper. thats how cheap i am. 4c. this is really hurting me. i feel robbed. cheated. soooo pissed off. so, just in the vain hope other people are not fooled by this. read the fine print. make sure the retailer you are buying from supports the deal. nvidia wants people to think they are getting free games to encourage them to buy the cards. but the less free games they have to give away, the better. they dont care about the consumer. only money. nvidia is an evil corporation. i knew that iand i still bought from them. lets hope amd's next iteration of their rdna gpu's are 'super' powerful. maybe ill sell up and move to them. still. cant beilieve i got so easily duped. ive spent months looking into these new cpu's and gpus and ram and motherboards for a full system upgrade. man im angry. it would almost be cheaper to pay the admin fee, return this card for full refund. even if i have to pay return shipping. then buy discounted one on other store and get free games. although in doing that i would be spending that 20 i could have saved just to undo my mistake/ return card. and also i will have to wait another week or two to revieve it. and process the return/ refund. dang it. so dumb. so so so dumb. errr.
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NVIDIA GAME DEAL WARNING (control + wolfenstein young blood) - SCAM this deal does not work how you expect. you have to but it from a certain retailer and before buying sign up for the deal. nowhere did it tell me this. not anywhere obvious anyway. a clear scam. i bought a 2070 super. one of the most ludicrously expensive purchases of my life. when it arrived i searched through the box only to find there were no game codes. i searched the internet. found a very confusing set of instructions on nvidias website. i searched more. eventually found a bit more information. so it seems you need to either buy the card directly from nvidia or from one of their few approved partners. how the flip was i supposed to know this? i bought this expecting to get over 100nzd worth of games. now i apparently am not entitled to them even though i bought their damn graphics card during their damn game deal. this is so incredibly shady. i just cant believe it. and to make matters worse. the other website in nz i considered buying it from is now, two days later, 20 cheaper and displaying that it supports the game deal! i just lost minimum 120 worth of content! the 20 is my fault for not waiting, i accept that. but the games are daylight robbery. theft. darnit. im usually good with money too. as cheap as they get. for some reason i was suddenly convinced if i waited any longer the prices would only go up. they usually do. i had to hold off upgrading my gtx760 to a 1060 for almost two years for the prices to go back down to acceptable amounts. ive done my fair share of waiting. so i thought, just this once, ill be one of the 'smart' ones and get in quick while they are cheap. lol. idiot. that cost me 20nzd. that sucks. and to think i ALWAYS time my petrol fillup for the days when its 4c cheaper. thats how cheap i am. 4c. this is really hurting me. i feel robbed. cheated. soooo pissed off. so, just in the vain hope other people are not fooled by this. read the fine print. make sure the retailer you are buying from supports the deal. nvidia wants people to think they are getting free games to encourage them to buy the cards. but the less free games they have to give away, the better. they dont care about the consumer. only money. nvidia is an evil corporation. i knew that iand i still bought from them. lets hope amd's next iteration of their rdna gpu's are 'super' powerful. maybe ill sell up and move to them. still. cant beilieve i got so easily duped. ive spent months looking into these new cpu's and gpus and ram and motherboards for a full system upgrade. man im angry. it would almost be cheaper to pay the admin fee, return this card for full refund. even if i have to pay return shipping. then buy discounted one on other store and get free games. although in doing that i would be spending that 20 i could have saved just to undo my mistake/ return card. and also i will have to wait another week or two to revieve it. and process the return/ refund. dang it. so dumb. so so so dumb. errr.
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Kyle
I m building my first PC. I ve been assembling parts for the last week or so and I ll be ready to assemble everything tomorrow, provided my final amazon shipment arrives on time. I could have purchased a 2080ti but I eventually decided to go with EVGA s 2070 Super FTW3 Ultra+ (ridiculous name, I know. My thinking went as follows: I m getting into the game fairly late in the product cycle. Nvidia will most likely be rolling out a new batch of RTX cards pretty soon so do I really want to drop 1, 300 on my first graphics card a few months before the next generation is announced? Of course the 2080ti is a great performer but the sense I ve gotten from most people is that while it is really freaking good, it just isn t really worth the money right now. Also, it looks like A LOT of them have had to be RMA d. Reviews on Asus ROG Strix version are particularly worrying but I saw what seemed like a ton of issues from cards made by various manufacturers. The fact that I m getting in late in the production cycle is also part of why I went for the Ryzen 3700X, the Aorus Ultra x570 board and a Gen4 NVMe SSD. I didn t want to buy a B450 this late it s lifetime and I wanted to have access to cool next-gen features for the next couple of years without having to replace any major hardware. AM4 is supposedly going to be supported by AMD for another generation of Ryzen processors which made spending a little more on the motherboard make sense to me. Basically, I went for the 2070 Super because I want a damn good 1440p setup but didn t want to buy a 1, 300 video card when the next gen version might be heavily improved and possibly even cheaper. If I spent that kind of money on a 2080ti and then a few months later, the 2180ti was announced for 900, I d probably be a little pissed off. Not saying I think the price will come down that much but it could come down after the constant complaints from customers and reviewers. I think that the 2070 Super will give me the performance I m looking for and allow me to save that extra 700+ for when a card that I REALLY want comes out. Another thing, ray tracing is really cool but it s not really a selling point right now because it s just too new and too poorly optimized so there isn t really a need for me to have the absolute last word in performance in order to run it. Once it s more widely implemented and more optimized, I ll definitely be looking at picking up a XX80ti.
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I m building my first PC. I ve been assembling parts for the last week or so and I ll be ready to assemble everything tomorrow, provided my final amazon shipment arrives on time. I could have purchased a 2080ti but I eventually decided to go with EVGA s 2070 Super FTW3 Ultra+ (ridiculous name, I know. My thinking went as follows: I m getting into the game fairly late in the product cycle. Nvidia will most likely be rolling out a new batch of RTX cards pretty soon so do I really want to drop 1, 300 on my first graphics card a few months before the next generation is announced? Of course the 2080ti is a great performer but the sense I ve gotten from most people is that while it is really freaking good, it just isn t really worth the money right now. Also, it looks like A LOT of them have had to be RMA d. Reviews on Asus ROG Strix version are particularly worrying but I saw what seemed like a ton of issues from cards made by various manufacturers. The fact that I m getting in late in the production cycle is also part of why I went for the Ryzen 3700X, the Aorus Ultra x570 board and a Gen4 NVMe SSD. I didn t want to buy a B450 this late it s lifetime and I wanted to have access to cool next-gen features for the next couple of years without having to replace any major hardware. AM4 is supposedly going to be supported by AMD for another generation of Ryzen processors which made spending a little more on the motherboard make sense to me. Basically, I went for the 2070 Super because I want a damn good 1440p setup but didn t want to buy a 1, 300 video card when the next gen version might be heavily improved and possibly even cheaper. If I spent that kind of money on a 2080ti and then a few months later, the 2180ti was announced for 900, I d probably be a little pissed off. Not saying I think the price will come down that much but it could come down after the constant complaints from customers and reviewers. I think that the 2070 Super will give me the performance I m looking for and allow me to save that extra 700+ for when a card that I REALLY want comes out. Another thing, ray tracing is really cool but it s not really a selling point right now because it s just too new and too poorly optimized so there isn t really a need for me to have the absolute last word in performance in order to run it. Once it s more widely implemented and more optimized, I ll definitely be looking at picking up a XX80ti.
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Omizuke
Still, I think that unless you absolutely need the super duper highest end RTX people should give a chance at Navi (assuming they are close enough and worth it) I know of people that want or have a 2080 even thou they don't play demanding games and/or don't have high res displays like QHD or 4K. But go for the 2080 just because they can. I didn't wanted to jump on any 2xxx and though it be best to wait for Navi to decide (of course I though they would pop up sooner) but boy am I glad. Still gonna wait for comparison among all. Decide on price performance specific to the games I like. Every time I see benchmark averaging totals for many games. usually game that tip the scale a lot farther to Nvidia side are game I don't even like.
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Still, I think that unless you absolutely need the super duper highest end RTX people should give a chance at Navi (assuming they are close enough and worth it) I know of people that want or have a 2080 even thou they don't play demanding games and/or don't have high res displays like QHD or 4K. But go for the 2080 just because they can. I didn't wanted to jump on any 2xxx and though it be best to wait for Navi to decide (of course I though they would pop up sooner) but boy am I glad. Still gonna wait for comparison among all. Decide on price performance specific to the games I like. Every time I see benchmark averaging totals for many games. usually game that tip the scale a lot farther to Nvidia side are game I don't even like.
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Zack
RTX 2060, RTX 060 super, RTX 2070, RTX 2070 super, RTX 2080, RTX 2080 IT all doesn't work with windows 8. 1, I have bought RTX 2060 super and I sent it back in the next day, when I checked about it, it was too close to RTX 2070 and cheaper than RTX 2070, so, I thought it was a very good deal and when I received it, it didn't had a CD or DVD for the driver like we used to get with any graphic card, so, I went on line to Nvidia for it and the surprise was, no driver for windows 8 or 8. 1, only for windows 7(that windows how has non support anymore from Microsoft) and windows 10, just like that, the problem that no one said anything about not to work with windows 8, or 8. 1, so, I have sent it back and asked for refund.
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RTX 2060, RTX 060 super, RTX 2070, RTX 2070 super, RTX 2080, RTX 2080 IT all doesn't work with windows 8. 1, I have bought RTX 2060 super and I sent it back in the next day, when I checked about it, it was too close to RTX 2070 and cheaper than RTX 2070, so, I thought it was a very good deal and when I received it, it didn't had a CD or DVD for the driver like we used to get with any graphic card, so, I went on line to Nvidia for it and the surprise was, no driver for windows 8 or 8. 1, only for windows 7(that windows how has non support anymore from Microsoft) and windows 10, just like that, the problem that no one said anything about not to work with windows 8, or 8. 1, so, I have sent it back and asked for refund.
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IanTH
Where's the GTX 1080 in these benchmark graphs? I know you only have so much space, but at least in the 4k graphs I'd think a GTX 1080 would be more worthwhile than a GTX 970 or 1060. Having the 1060, 1070 and 1080ti is rather annoying. I guess there aren't as many 1080 owners out there so it isn't worth including in the graph compared to those other cards? Not that I can't figure out a basic placement, but it seems an incredibly strange omission for such a detail focused site. Not gonna lie, kinda disappointed.
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Where's the GTX 1080 in these benchmark graphs? I know you only have so much space, but at least in the 4k graphs I'd think a GTX 1080 would be more worthwhile than a GTX 970 or 1060. Having the 1060, 1070 and 1080ti is rather annoying. I guess there aren't as many 1080 owners out there so it isn't worth including in the graph compared to those other cards? Not that I can't figure out a basic placement, but it seems an incredibly strange omission for such a detail focused site. Not gonna lie, kinda disappointed.
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Xainfinen
I'm reading the comment and oh my god. Unless you bought a 2060-2070-2080 less than 3 months ago to replace a 1070-1080, but bought one 6 months ago to replace a 2-3 gen old card. You have no reason to be disappointed about your purchase. Only people that are highly susceptible to the weird urge and unhealthy mindset of always needing to have the next best thing would regret buying a current gen, high end GPU 6 month later because a new card 10% better exist. That's totally asinine.
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I'm reading the comment and oh my god. Unless you bought a 2060-2070-2080 less than 3 months ago to replace a 1070-1080, but bought one 6 months ago to replace a 2-3 gen old card. You have no reason to be disappointed about your purchase. Only people that are highly susceptible to the weird urge and unhealthy mindset of always needing to have the next best thing would regret buying a current gen, high end GPU 6 month later because a new card 10% better exist. That's totally asinine.
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kilroy987
This is why I don't rush to buy a new video card. People deserve to know whether or not a better model is coming (always is) and go with something that by their best determination they will be happy with for a while. That said, the 1060 and 1660 were both there all that time, and I picked the 1060 because it was so much better than what I had in my current box at the time, and I kind of wish I would have gotten a 1660. Now all these RTX 20 series cards are coming out, omg.
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This is why I don't rush to buy a new video card. People deserve to know whether or not a better model is coming (always is) and go with something that by their best determination they will be happy with for a while. That said, the 1060 and 1660 were both there all that time, and I picked the 1060 because it was so much better than what I had in my current box at the time, and I kind of wish I would have gotten a 1660. Now all these RTX 20 series cards are coming out, omg.
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eren
Hi Steve, just like to ask if my SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply still good for Geforce RTX 2060 super. Below is my rig specs: CPU: i5 8400 (with entry level cryorig cooler) MOBO: MSI B360M Mortar RAM: 4x4 4gb 2400mhz System fan: x4 120mm SSD: WD 120gb HDD: WD 1tb NVIDIA'; s PSU recommendation is 550w but as per psu calculator sites, it would only consume 397w and recommended a 500w PSU. Thanks for the feedback in case.
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Hi Steve, just like to ask if my SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply still good for Geforce RTX 2060 super. Below is my rig specs: CPU: i5 8400 (with entry level cryorig cooler) MOBO: MSI B360M Mortar RAM: 4x4 4gb 2400mhz System fan: x4 120mm SSD: WD 120gb HDD: WD 1tb NVIDIA'; s PSU recommendation is 550w but as per psu calculator sites, it would only consume 397w and recommended a 500w PSU. Thanks for the feedback in case.
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