AMD Threadripper 1920X Benchmark in 2019: 200 HEDT vs. 3600 & More
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Date: 2020-05-06
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mpeugeot
It's an interesting conundrum. The 1920x allows you an upgrade path, all the way to the 2990wx, just not beyond it. However, that's still quite a bit of headroom, especially when you consider that the 1920x really is a bargain at this point. As far as gaming, unless you are gaming at 1080p, a lot of the benefits you get from the 3rd gen R5 3600 get erased with anything below the top tier graphics cards. Finally, with the x570 mb and a 3rd gen Ryzen you do get pci-e 4. 0, but not a lot of functionality stemming from that alone. When paired with the ASRock Phantom Gaming 6 X399 for just 229, it's a reasonable amount of performance for the price point, as a similarly capable ASRock x570 steel legend is 185. So that puts you right around a 50 dollar delta for a Threadripper (which provided you are doing more than just gaming) seems like a solid option for this dead platform - which is hardly dead when you consider that an actual upgrade path to the 2990wx exists and that the benefit of pci-e 4. 0 is limited to fast SSD's at the moment.
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It's an interesting conundrum. The 1920x allows you an upgrade path, all the way to the 2990wx, just not beyond it. However, that's still quite a bit of headroom, especially when you consider that the 1920x really is a bargain at this point. As far as gaming, unless you are gaming at 1080p, a lot of the benefits you get from the 3rd gen R5 3600 get erased with anything below the top tier graphics cards. Finally, with the x570 mb and a 3rd gen Ryzen you do get pci-e 4. 0, but not a lot of functionality stemming from that alone. When paired with the ASRock Phantom Gaming 6 X399 for just 229, it's a reasonable amount of performance for the price point, as a similarly capable ASRock x570 steel legend is 185. So that puts you right around a 50 dollar delta for a Threadripper (which provided you are doing more than just gaming) seems like a solid option for this dead platform - which is hardly dead when you consider that an actual upgrade path to the 2990wx exists and that the benefit of pci-e 4. 0 is limited to fast SSD's at the moment.
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LuigiStyl
This will likely be buried among all the other comments, but Steve, have you considered adding a virtualization benchmark to your testing paradigm? As somebody who performs virtualization workloads from time-to-time, a comparison on how well each CPU handles scenarios (such as 2 vs 8 VMs) may provide a baseline for some of my future purchases. I understand that this is something that only appeals to a very small market segment/viewer base. If it's not realistic to do this, I understand. However, I (and possibly many others) would like to know if virtualization support has been improved on CPUs in the last 10 years or so. This is something I have been curious about as new instruction sets, stronger CPUs, and larger caches are becoming mainstream.
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This will likely be buried among all the other comments, but Steve, have you considered adding a virtualization benchmark to your testing paradigm? As somebody who performs virtualization workloads from time-to-time, a comparison on how well each CPU handles scenarios (such as 2 vs 8 VMs) may provide a baseline for some of my future purchases. I understand that this is something that only appeals to a very small market segment/viewer base. If it's not realistic to do this, I understand. However, I (and possibly many others) would like to know if virtualization support has been improved on CPUs in the last 10 years or so. This is something I have been curious about as new instruction sets, stronger CPUs, and larger caches are becoming mainstream.
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AstralStorm
Pity you didn'r try for overclocks or tested SMT OFF mode. (12C/12T) Threadrippers tend to overclock really well, though you need huge cooling. They overclock even better with SMT off. Every X399 board supports these settings. Speaking of cheap mainboards, Asrock x399 Taichi is definitely a favorite here on price - and features aren't bad. Gigabyte Aorus Pro also pretty decent. Of course cheap is relative at 350. rare used. With good new x470 boards going for under 200. So no, it does not win on value against 3600 unless you consider multithreaded loads only or want the huge PCIe lanes and slots count, and perhaps 256 GB of RAM for your usecase. (R9 is limited to 64 GB) That could be worth the premium price of the mainboard.
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Pity you didn'r try for overclocks or tested SMT OFF mode. (12C/12T) Threadrippers tend to overclock really well, though you need huge cooling. They overclock even better with SMT off. Every X399 board supports these settings. Speaking of cheap mainboards, Asrock x399 Taichi is definitely a favorite here on price - and features aren't bad. Gigabyte Aorus Pro also pretty decent. Of course cheap is relative at 350. rare used. With good new x470 boards going for under 200. So no, it does not win on value against 3600 unless you consider multithreaded loads only or want the huge PCIe lanes and slots count, and perhaps 256 GB of RAM for your usecase. (R9 is limited to 64 GB) That could be worth the premium price of the mainboard.
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StickyLicky
It's funny that this video popped up, I'm planning to build a host machine running Vsphere (ESXi) for my VM's with this CPU. I plan to have a Windows VM that will host a Plex server, then another Windows VM with a VPN running that will be used for downloading (sadly VPN's and Plex don't work well with each other, and a Pfsense VM to act as my router, then I'm going to install some 10G NIC's for fast file transfers and more headroom for my gigabit internet connection. I can't wait and the price drops couldn't have come sooner!
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It's funny that this video popped up, I'm planning to build a host machine running Vsphere (ESXi) for my VM's with this CPU. I plan to have a Windows VM that will host a Plex server, then another Windows VM with a VPN running that will be used for downloading (sadly VPN's and Plex don't work well with each other, and a Pfsense VM to act as my router, then I'm going to install some 10G NIC's for fast file transfers and more headroom for my gigabit internet connection. I can't wait and the price drops couldn't have come sooner!
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Mike
I bought one of these for a home server to replace a NAS after watching this video I did shell out a LOT for the motherboard, but only because I wanted the ASrock motherboard with dual 10gb ethernet and IPMI as its rack mounted, with 6x 4tb Seagate NAS drives, 2x intel 280gb optane drives (mounted on PCIe adapter cards, 2 x Samsung evo pro 512gb NVME x4 drives and 64gb of ram in a 4u case with a supermicro epyc single fan cooler it runs like a dream, a little warm even when idling but other than that I totally love it
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I bought one of these for a home server to replace a NAS after watching this video I did shell out a LOT for the motherboard, but only because I wanted the ASrock motherboard with dual 10gb ethernet and IPMI as its rack mounted, with 6x 4tb Seagate NAS drives, 2x intel 280gb optane drives (mounted on PCIe adapter cards, 2 x Samsung evo pro 512gb NVME x4 drives and 64gb of ram in a 4u case with a supermicro epyc single fan cooler it runs like a dream, a little warm even when idling but other than that I totally love it
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chbrules
I have a 1900X and Taichi X399 mobo. I'm honestly reconsidering even trying to get a cheap 2950X come BF this year after TR3 is announced. I'm leaning more towards getting a 3900X and a nice mobo for that instead. PCI-e 4 and a new PCI-e 4 SSD sounds more appealing, and the gaming benchmarks show a far stronger offering than TR. Obviously, TR isn't a gaming CPU, per se. I ran a number of RHEL and CentOS VMs for lab work, but I honestly could see just as good use with a 3900X doing that. Maybe even the 3950X!
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I have a 1900X and Taichi X399 mobo. I'm honestly reconsidering even trying to get a cheap 2950X come BF this year after TR3 is announced. I'm leaning more towards getting a 3900X and a nice mobo for that instead. PCI-e 4 and a new PCI-e 4 SSD sounds more appealing, and the gaming benchmarks show a far stronger offering than TR. Obviously, TR isn't a gaming CPU, per se. I ran a number of RHEL and CentOS VMs for lab work, but I honestly could see just as good use with a 3900X doing that. Maybe even the 3950X!
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Shirley
I think I would pony up the extra 100 and buy a Threadripper 2920X instead. You get higher clocks, plus the inter-CCX and inter-chip latency improvements in Zen+. That bargain is worth considering: 12 cores at a bargain price, plus the larger memory support and vast number of PCIe lanes that come with the Threadripper platform. It won't match the performance of a 3900X, but the other features will be worth it for some users and it's cheaper, even with the extra cost of a TR4 motherboard.
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I think I would pony up the extra 100 and buy a Threadripper 2920X instead. You get higher clocks, plus the inter-CCX and inter-chip latency improvements in Zen+. That bargain is worth considering: 12 cores at a bargain price, plus the larger memory support and vast number of PCIe lanes that come with the Threadripper platform. It won't match the performance of a 3900X, but the other features will be worth it for some users and it's cheaper, even with the extra cost of a TR4 motherboard.
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Ben
OR you could meet half way between cores and gaming performance and go 2700x. under 200, 8 cores 16 thread. AM4 socket compliant making (as long as amd continues it's promise with 4000 series cpus) cost effective for future upgrades. Do you need an 8 core to game? not unless you stream/video edit on the side. I just find it hard to argue not justifying 2700x in 2019 it's current price. 2020 is a different story but you could argue that with all cpu's on the market.
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OR you could meet half way between cores and gaming performance and go 2700x. under 200, 8 cores 16 thread. AM4 socket compliant making (as long as amd continues it's promise with 4000 series cpus) cost effective for future upgrades. Do you need an 8 core to game? not unless you stream/video edit on the side. I just find it hard to argue not justifying 2700x in 2019 it's current price. 2020 is a different story but you could argue that with all cpu's on the market.
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Bryan
Intel keeping the prices of older parts rather high may be why used Intel prices seem to stay so high. One thing with gaming, doesn't the game engine just use a world core to run the world, and then other cores for secondary things? Having a single core with a high IPC and frequency makes a big difference then. The game/engine makers need to fundamentally change how the engines run to make better use of multi-core CPUs.
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Intel keeping the prices of older parts rather high may be why used Intel prices seem to stay so high. One thing with gaming, doesn't the game engine just use a world core to run the world, and then other cores for secondary things? Having a single core with a high IPC and frequency makes a big difference then. The game/engine makers need to fundamentally change how the engines run to make better use of multi-core CPUs.
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Adam
This comparison was a lot more interesting than I was expecting. The 3600 is clearly the choice for non-production tasks, it's kind of surprising to me just how comparable these two CPUs are. Additionally, the 3600 leaves room for upgrading to the 3950X in the future, which is a hell of an upgrade for a gaming system, one that is a bit overkill right now but should last quite a long time in future titles.
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This comparison was a lot more interesting than I was expecting. The 3600 is clearly the choice for non-production tasks, it's kind of surprising to me just how comparable these two CPUs are. Additionally, the 3600 leaves room for upgrading to the 3950X in the future, which is a hell of an upgrade for a gaming system, one that is a bit overkill right now but should last quite a long time in future titles.
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