Ask GN 109: Who Actually Makes NVIDIA FE Cards? 2 vs. 4 RAM Sticks?
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Date: 2020-05-06
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Krazi
26: 22. need help AMD X570 users I have a 3700X cpu with Gigabyte X570 I Aorus Pro WiFi (ITX) Mb(F11 BIOS) and i have. G. Skill Trident Z Neo (AMD /X570 Kit) 3600Mhz 16GB x2 (32GB) Kit, 3600MHZ XMP2. 0 with timings at stock. (Sammy B-Die Kit 3600Mhz CL 16 -16-16-36 XMP2. 0 Profile) but set (3600Mhz) CL16 - 16 - 16 - 36. FClk 1800Mhz, Uclk 1: 1 Divider. (NOT 1: 2 or 1/2 uclk ) so 1800 Mhz on Inf. Fabric & Nb/SOC/MemCtrl? (aka Fclk & Uclk 1800Mhz) shows in CPU-Z (this system BSOD only maybe 2 times) seems fine now? idk why? (this has happend on two sets now, This is My second Set, first kit was RMA, ( NEWEGG)first kit had 8x ram chips + heat spreader came off the ram PCB on one side of module) RMA! now 2nd kit, still BSOD's i keep getting BSODs on boot windows 10? it can be either while booting, or right at desktop, or could be after 10- up to several minutes. or anytime at random? it seems fine now, (in my ITX build) but if i run the same kit in my ATX build with my Aorus Master X570 (F11 BIOS) the kit will BSOD same settings. no matter what i do, if i drop the Fclk speed to 1600MHZ or less, it seems the BSODs stop. Please dont tell me its my 3800X cpu that has a bad Infinity Fabric (links) or something, which is what it seems like? or can heat be a culprit, but it maxed on load 50c-68c (CPU reports TJ Max is 90c) (doesn't get near that tho) which i have set warning in bios to 70c for warning) anything ican do to stop the BSOD. but i want the settings i have.
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26: 22. need help AMD X570 users I have a 3700X cpu with Gigabyte X570 I Aorus Pro WiFi (ITX) Mb(F11 BIOS) and i have. G. Skill Trident Z Neo (AMD /X570 Kit) 3600Mhz 16GB x2 (32GB) Kit, 3600MHZ XMP2. 0 with timings at stock. (Sammy B-Die Kit 3600Mhz CL 16 -16-16-36 XMP2. 0 Profile) but set (3600Mhz) CL16 - 16 - 16 - 36. FClk 1800Mhz, Uclk 1: 1 Divider. (NOT 1: 2 or 1/2 uclk ) so 1800 Mhz on Inf. Fabric & Nb/SOC/MemCtrl? (aka Fclk & Uclk 1800Mhz) shows in CPU-Z (this system BSOD only maybe 2 times) seems fine now? idk why? (this has happend on two sets now, This is My second Set, first kit was RMA, ( NEWEGG)first kit had 8x ram chips + heat spreader came off the ram PCB on one side of module) RMA! now 2nd kit, still BSOD's i keep getting BSODs on boot windows 10? it can be either while booting, or right at desktop, or could be after 10- up to several minutes. or anytime at random? it seems fine now, (in my ITX build) but if i run the same kit in my ATX build with my Aorus Master X570 (F11 BIOS) the kit will BSOD same settings. no matter what i do, if i drop the Fclk speed to 1600MHZ or less, it seems the BSODs stop. Please dont tell me its my 3800X cpu that has a bad Infinity Fabric (links) or something, which is what it seems like? or can heat be a culprit, but it maxed on load 50c-68c (CPU reports TJ Max is 90c) (doesn't get near that tho) which i have set warning in bios to 70c for warning) anything ican do to stop the BSOD. but i want the settings i have.
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Brantyn
Hey Steve, I've pitched this idea to a few of the other tech youtubers with no luck and no response. My idea is to test high quality a high quality power cable for you psu vs the one it comes with (the main power from wall to psu cord. I had interesting results with a 400 audiophile cord borrowed from my father where on my 4790k, titan x maxwell system. I was able to add an extra 80mhz to the (1450mhz vs 1370mhz) gpu core and able to push an extra 100mhz on the cpu core (4. 9 vs 4. 8 with 1. 32v) and achieve the same stability as the lower clocks with the stock power cable. I didnt increase my voltages any higher due to thermal constraints, but with exotic cooling im wondering if this upgrade could be worthwile for bleeding edge enthusiasts in the competitive overclocking scene (im sure they already use thick cords. With audio equipment, a better power cable (and sometimes even a power conditioner) are used to resolve audio imaging (reduce noise at all levels and clean up the audio) and improve audio fidelity. I do remember you doing some psu testing and while with audio equipment it is hard to quantify a result, perhaps a quantifiable result could be achieved in PC use! My sample size is that on 1, so not entirely interesting on its' own, but if reached out to, I would be able to supply you a power cord to test with and would love to hear if you get similar results (would be great for those ripjay videos.
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Hey Steve, I've pitched this idea to a few of the other tech youtubers with no luck and no response. My idea is to test high quality a high quality power cable for you psu vs the one it comes with (the main power from wall to psu cord. I had interesting results with a 400 audiophile cord borrowed from my father where on my 4790k, titan x maxwell system. I was able to add an extra 80mhz to the (1450mhz vs 1370mhz) gpu core and able to push an extra 100mhz on the cpu core (4. 9 vs 4. 8 with 1. 32v) and achieve the same stability as the lower clocks with the stock power cable. I didnt increase my voltages any higher due to thermal constraints, but with exotic cooling im wondering if this upgrade could be worthwile for bleeding edge enthusiasts in the competitive overclocking scene (im sure they already use thick cords. With audio equipment, a better power cable (and sometimes even a power conditioner) are used to resolve audio imaging (reduce noise at all levels and clean up the audio) and improve audio fidelity. I do remember you doing some psu testing and while with audio equipment it is hard to quantify a result, perhaps a quantifiable result could be achieved in PC use! My sample size is that on 1, so not entirely interesting on its' own, but if reached out to, I would be able to supply you a power cord to test with and would love to hear if you get similar results (would be great for those ripjay videos.
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Ed
I have a 3950x overclocking question. (Sorry, but I could not glean the answer from your excellent LN O/C Video or the summary) Preface: I don't give a damn about looks, have no intention of using RGB anything and stability and performance are my only concerns. Use case: I run 4 monitors and continually use Excel, Word, Camtasia to record/render video, 2 and sometimes 3 Stock Trading/charting applications, Proprietary Trading App for streaming scans/alerts, 2-3 Webinar windows (fancy interactive browser windows in which I am often projecting screens in at least one at a time, email and maybe 6-10 open browser tabs. Rig: Current = 5820k (6core/12thread) O/C to 4ghz with 32gb Ram 2448mhz, 1Tb Sata SSD (several other backup and mass storage but irrelevant) New = 3950x, 32gb ram (G. Skil 3600 16-19-19-39) on an x570 Aorus Elite, 2TB Intel 660p NVMe, Dark Rock Pro 4 (I'm too busy/lazy for water loop maintenance, Lian Li PC-O11DX with 3 extra bequiet fans and Thermaltake 750 80+ Gold. FWIW, I will use Thermal Grizzly Coductanaut (sp) Questions: 1) If I attempt a 4. 2 or 4. 3Ghz all-core O/C. would you just abandon air and go for water. or can I get by on the Dark Rock air? 2) If water is probably needed, is it a particular 360mm you'd choose as best performance? (ROG, NZXT, Corsair, Thermaltake, etc)
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I have a 3950x overclocking question. (Sorry, but I could not glean the answer from your excellent LN O/C Video or the summary) Preface: I don't give a damn about looks, have no intention of using RGB anything and stability and performance are my only concerns. Use case: I run 4 monitors and continually use Excel, Word, Camtasia to record/render video, 2 and sometimes 3 Stock Trading/charting applications, Proprietary Trading App for streaming scans/alerts, 2-3 Webinar windows (fancy interactive browser windows in which I am often projecting screens in at least one at a time, email and maybe 6-10 open browser tabs. Rig: Current = 5820k (6core/12thread) O/C to 4ghz with 32gb Ram 2448mhz, 1Tb Sata SSD (several other backup and mass storage but irrelevant) New = 3950x, 32gb ram (G. Skil 3600 16-19-19-39) on an x570 Aorus Elite, 2TB Intel 660p NVMe, Dark Rock Pro 4 (I'm too busy/lazy for water loop maintenance, Lian Li PC-O11DX with 3 extra bequiet fans and Thermaltake 750 80+ Gold. FWIW, I will use Thermal Grizzly Coductanaut (sp) Questions: 1) If I attempt a 4. 2 or 4. 3Ghz all-core O/C. would you just abandon air and go for water. or can I get by on the Dark Rock air? 2) If water is probably needed, is it a particular 360mm you'd choose as best performance? (ROG, NZXT, Corsair, Thermaltake, etc)
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Tommy
I have a question about storage. I am building a new pc that will be used for gaming as well as work. Programs that I use frequently for work include things like Visual Studio, SQL Server, Adobe etc. With those programs and gaming also in mind, I am still debating how much storage would be adequate to have as well is what type of storage. Since I have an X570 board, I am considering having a boot drive that can take advantage of that such as the Corsair MP600. Right now I am targetting 1TB, but should I also install my work programs such as Visual Studio here? And what about gaming libraries, would it be better to get an MP600 at 2TB for higher price or have a 1TB MP600 for boot and then maybe a 2TB Intel 660p for work software + games? Or, would having a 500GB MP600 Boot + SATA SSD for work software and gaming libraries be better? So many options its confusing. My initial thought is to use up the 2 M. 2 Slots on my MB first, then expand to other SSD after that.
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I have a question about storage. I am building a new pc that will be used for gaming as well as work. Programs that I use frequently for work include things like Visual Studio, SQL Server, Adobe etc. With those programs and gaming also in mind, I am still debating how much storage would be adequate to have as well is what type of storage. Since I have an X570 board, I am considering having a boot drive that can take advantage of that such as the Corsair MP600. Right now I am targetting 1TB, but should I also install my work programs such as Visual Studio here? And what about gaming libraries, would it be better to get an MP600 at 2TB for higher price or have a 1TB MP600 for boot and then maybe a 2TB Intel 660p for work software + games? Or, would having a 500GB MP600 Boot + SATA SSD for work software and gaming libraries be better? So many options its confusing. My initial thought is to use up the 2 M. 2 Slots on my MB first, then expand to other SSD after that.
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Michael
question: I'm running a 8 GPU mining rig with p104-100 colorful cards. the nvidia GTX 1080 version. I am water-cooling each card with an aio cooler and have the radiators basically taped together with electrical tape and its doing very well to dissipate the heat given it is so far 6 120 mm radiators (with 2 on the way) i put a push pull configuration on it. i'm wondering if it's better to tape the radiators together? does this actually add to the heat dissipation? would it be better to separate the radiators? i also wonder if more radiators is better than one large one, though i'm using aio's so there isn't to much i can do about that. i was considering using thermal paste to fill the gaps in between the radiators but that is kind of to far maybe? i'm wanting it to not make my room 100 degrees in the summer.
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question: I'm running a 8 GPU mining rig with p104-100 colorful cards. the nvidia GTX 1080 version. I am water-cooling each card with an aio cooler and have the radiators basically taped together with electrical tape and its doing very well to dissipate the heat given it is so far 6 120 mm radiators (with 2 on the way) i put a push pull configuration on it. i'm wondering if it's better to tape the radiators together? does this actually add to the heat dissipation? would it be better to separate the radiators? i also wonder if more radiators is better than one large one, though i'm using aio's so there isn't to much i can do about that. i was considering using thermal paste to fill the gaps in between the radiators but that is kind of to far maybe? i'm wanting it to not make my room 100 degrees in the summer.
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Greg
IANAL but it's hard to see how it would be illegal -- either de facto or de jure -- to put all of your licensing limits and limitations into a spreadsheet and then take delivery of your licensed software blobs from The Pirate Bay. No joke, TPB has a reputation system which, in my experience, despite its obvious limitations, is likely to deliver privacy and security to a small customer like GNLLC more reliably than sticking to officially sanctioned best practices deployment techniques, as purported by most major proprietary software companies. This is not an endorsement of TPB's badge system, so much as (IME) an indictment of the US's claim to fame as the nexus of deregulated cyber capitalism, which, evidently, either has not been realized or doesn't work.
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IANAL but it's hard to see how it would be illegal -- either de facto or de jure -- to put all of your licensing limits and limitations into a spreadsheet and then take delivery of your licensed software blobs from The Pirate Bay. No joke, TPB has a reputation system which, in my experience, despite its obvious limitations, is likely to deliver privacy and security to a small customer like GNLLC more reliably than sticking to officially sanctioned best practices deployment techniques, as purported by most major proprietary software companies. This is not an endorsement of TPB's badge system, so much as (IME) an indictment of the US's claim to fame as the nexus of deregulated cyber capitalism, which, evidently, either has not been realized or doesn't work.
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Kalendula
#askgn This is more a curiosity of mine than a purely tech question: Why do you scale your times in decimal minutes within rendering benchmarks or other time-based charts? Wouldn't it be easier to just report actual times? for instance a value in your data would say something like 4. 9 minute, wich clearly isn't time notation, and i read it as 4 minutes + 90% of a minute. Wouldn't it be more straight forward to take the 4: 54 (i hope that's right) directly from the software? I know it's all the same in the end, just it is so strange to see values graeter than 5 after the minutes digit. I thought that's for legibility maybe, but souldn't be the same when you put everything on a graph charts like yours? Thank you Steve, you guys are awsome!
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#askgn This is more a curiosity of mine than a purely tech question: Why do you scale your times in decimal minutes within rendering benchmarks or other time-based charts? Wouldn't it be easier to just report actual times? for instance a value in your data would say something like 4. 9 minute, wich clearly isn't time notation, and i read it as 4 minutes + 90% of a minute. Wouldn't it be more straight forward to take the 4: 54 (i hope that's right) directly from the software? I know it's all the same in the end, just it is so strange to see values graeter than 5 after the minutes digit. I thought that's for legibility maybe, but souldn't be the same when you put everything on a graph charts like yours? Thank you Steve, you guys are awsome!
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vsteel
Why is the center of the wafer better, because of uniformity across the wafer. The hardest part of making chips on a wafer is uniformity, keeping the CMP, dry etch, PVD, and so on, the center is normally closer to specs. Yes there are measurements across the wafer but the wafer deforms more as it goes through processes like diffusion and the stress of the films. As the wafer stresses it messes up the photolithography machines ability to match the previous pattern. When building a chip one photo machine isn't used, there are several and they won't all be the same wavelength of light. There is also lens matching that gets harder and harder between machines when the wafer shape changes through the processing steps.
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Why is the center of the wafer better, because of uniformity across the wafer. The hardest part of making chips on a wafer is uniformity, keeping the CMP, dry etch, PVD, and so on, the center is normally closer to specs. Yes there are measurements across the wafer but the wafer deforms more as it goes through processes like diffusion and the stress of the films. As the wafer stresses it messes up the photolithography machines ability to match the previous pattern. When building a chip one photo machine isn't used, there are several and they won't all be the same wavelength of light. There is also lens matching that gets harder and harder between machines when the wafer shape changes through the processing steps.
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Islam
I have a question: Why Intel does not make more power efficient CPUs for Desktop? while they do that for Laptops only. I know this looks silly question for most people, but I do really need a low power demanding CPU in Desktop form that I can change/upgrade or tune it's memory the way I like. we all know how laptop BIOS is limited and laptops are far more expensive. the most power efficient CPU we saw so far for PC is a 35W variant which has lower boost clocks and higher base clocks than 15W laptop ones ending up with similar gaming performance at lower efficiency. I have a solar system and DC PSU that is very close to batteries and I am very limited in term of power so I want an efficient desktop.
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I have a question: Why Intel does not make more power efficient CPUs for Desktop? while they do that for Laptops only. I know this looks silly question for most people, but I do really need a low power demanding CPU in Desktop form that I can change/upgrade or tune it's memory the way I like. we all know how laptop BIOS is limited and laptops are far more expensive. the most power efficient CPU we saw so far for PC is a 35W variant which has lower boost clocks and higher base clocks than 15W laptop ones ending up with similar gaming performance at lower efficiency. I have a solar system and DC PSU that is very close to batteries and I am very limited in term of power so I want an efficient desktop.
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GIORGIO
Watching this again- great info. Reminds me; I HAD A SILICON ENTIRE WAFER W COMPLETED EVERYTHING- AS IN FROM THERE IT JUST NEEDED TO BE CUT UP TO GO WHEREVER THISE CHIPS WERE HEADED. I believe this was from Silicon Valley. If your wondering HOW I'd have such a beautiful thing, well i may have mentioned. but I'll stick to it's a family thing -honestly. I just wanted to say that as I DON'T KNOW WTH HAPPENED TO IT! MOVING OUT OF THE HOUSE AND SELLING AND MOVING FAMILY HECTIC HOOPLA. I really wish I still had that. And the colors coming off while holding and moving it around in good light. nice to watch! - Not unlike Snowflake. beautiful and captivating. Thanks for the great vid too!
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Watching this again- great info. Reminds me; I HAD A SILICON ENTIRE WAFER W COMPLETED EVERYTHING- AS IN FROM THERE IT JUST NEEDED TO BE CUT UP TO GO WHEREVER THISE CHIPS WERE HEADED. I believe this was from Silicon Valley. If your wondering HOW I'd have such a beautiful thing, well i may have mentioned. but I'll stick to it's a family thing -honestly. I just wanted to say that as I DON'T KNOW WTH HAPPENED TO IT! MOVING OUT OF THE HOUSE AND SELLING AND MOVING FAMILY HECTIC HOOPLA. I really wish I still had that. And the colors coming off while holding and moving it around in good light. nice to watch! - Not unlike Snowflake. beautiful and captivating. Thanks for the great vid too!
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