Google Stadia Lag Review: Latency of PC vs. Browser, Chromecast, & Controller
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Date: 2020-05-06
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Notty
What is the issue the community has with games as a service? I'm not making an argument as I'm ignorant of the issue. I'm genuinely looking for an explanation of why it is so hated? If it is simply the not owning IP part so that it can close down, etc. then I understand. However, for me, that's not a big deal. With how much people hate it though, I feel like I'm missing something because to me that's just part of a pros/cons comparison but not the devil in e-form. There are a ton of things I use that I'd rather not own. Cows. Basketball courts. Pools. Movie Theaters. Television. Internet. YouTube. Pool Tables. Bars. The disadvantage to all those things is that if the service provider shuts down I'm out of luck. But I do not think it's better to own all of those things so that it would never happen. Games are the same to me. Also, when it breaks it's someone else's responsibility and I do not have to purchase it again like I did with literal dozens of games in my life (never once having stepped on it or broken it through negligence, just simple wear or more common faulty construction that evades warranty liability (looking at you or red ring o death. So in some aspect it's a positive to be able to hold someone else accountable for maintenance. Like when Comcast proved unreliable, I just switched my service to FiOS, I didn't have to personally fix the problem. Just my perspective, I'd really like to understand the other side simply because I am not certain exactly what the other side is. As far as games closing down and even parts of them being patched out until you no longer like the game (City of Heroes, Marvel Heroes, Aion, etc) I definitely understand that and hate it. Yet even for the periods that those games were alive I got more out of them than even my favorite single purchase game. Online communities seasonal and positively updating and expanding content and stories (FFXIV, WoW, CS, etc) seems to at least balance the scale a bit. What am I missing?
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What is the issue the community has with games as a service? I'm not making an argument as I'm ignorant of the issue. I'm genuinely looking for an explanation of why it is so hated? If it is simply the not owning IP part so that it can close down, etc. then I understand. However, for me, that's not a big deal. With how much people hate it though, I feel like I'm missing something because to me that's just part of a pros/cons comparison but not the devil in e-form. There are a ton of things I use that I'd rather not own. Cows. Basketball courts. Pools. Movie Theaters. Television. Internet. YouTube. Pool Tables. Bars. The disadvantage to all those things is that if the service provider shuts down I'm out of luck. But I do not think it's better to own all of those things so that it would never happen. Games are the same to me. Also, when it breaks it's someone else's responsibility and I do not have to purchase it again like I did with literal dozens of games in my life (never once having stepped on it or broken it through negligence, just simple wear or more common faulty construction that evades warranty liability (looking at you or red ring o death. So in some aspect it's a positive to be able to hold someone else accountable for maintenance. Like when Comcast proved unreliable, I just switched my service to FiOS, I didn't have to personally fix the problem. Just my perspective, I'd really like to understand the other side simply because I am not certain exactly what the other side is. As far as games closing down and even parts of them being patched out until you no longer like the game (City of Heroes, Marvel Heroes, Aion, etc) I definitely understand that and hate it. Yet even for the periods that those games were alive I got more out of them than even my favorite single purchase game. Online communities seasonal and positively updating and expanding content and stories (FFXIV, WoW, CS, etc) seems to at least balance the scale a bit. What am I missing?
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skatterbrain
Fantastic Most Of which I've already known but helps prove my point. You have to have a great internet connection in basically perfect conditions while only being able to use Stadia in your Home while connected Via Either net. But yet Stadias whole Advertising/ Selling point is that PLAY Stadia Anywhere on any device swotch from Screen to screen. What a Joke, Stadia is Plagued with So many issues meanwhile backed up with nothing but LIES since STADIA was first announced & shown off at it World Debut at E3 2019. And from the First Sentence that was said about Stadia & what it was as well as its features have been lies & misleading which has only gotten worse & worse Since E3 2019 with each new announcement Google has come out with. Even before E3 was over or shortly after they already had Thousands APON thousands of gamers that had it pre ordered or in there hands asking for a refund because of Google's misleading Advertising & since then Again it's only gotten worse. With each new Announcement of Stadias features, what it'll cost, Games Ect ect. Has come more returns & dropped pre orders with each new Announcement. I said it During E3 & feel the same way, I'll say it again I truly feel that Google Stadia will go no where & be dropped by Google just as they've done with so many other projects. People seem to or at least sempt to think Stadia was the future of gaming, but I believe with what Microsoft is doing with Xcloud is & will as well as is starting to fill that roll & will continue to as it grows as time goes on. And if Stadia does some how Continue then they have A LOT and I mean TONS of work to do in order to not only fix there shit but to also regain the Gaming community's trust, the Gaming industry's trust & also my trust.
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Fantastic Most Of which I've already known but helps prove my point. You have to have a great internet connection in basically perfect conditions while only being able to use Stadia in your Home while connected Via Either net. But yet Stadias whole Advertising/ Selling point is that PLAY Stadia Anywhere on any device swotch from Screen to screen. What a Joke, Stadia is Plagued with So many issues meanwhile backed up with nothing but LIES since STADIA was first announced & shown off at it World Debut at E3 2019. And from the First Sentence that was said about Stadia & what it was as well as its features have been lies & misleading which has only gotten worse & worse Since E3 2019 with each new announcement Google has come out with. Even before E3 was over or shortly after they already had Thousands APON thousands of gamers that had it pre ordered or in there hands asking for a refund because of Google's misleading Advertising & since then Again it's only gotten worse. With each new Announcement of Stadias features, what it'll cost, Games Ect ect. Has come more returns & dropped pre orders with each new Announcement. I said it During E3 & feel the same way, I'll say it again I truly feel that Google Stadia will go no where & be dropped by Google just as they've done with so many other projects. People seem to or at least sempt to think Stadia was the future of gaming, but I believe with what Microsoft is doing with Xcloud is & will as well as is starting to fill that roll & will continue to as it grows as time goes on. And if Stadia does some how Continue then they have A LOT and I mean TONS of work to do in order to not only fix there shit but to also regain the Gaming community's trust, the Gaming industry's trust & also my trust.
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Lioric
If may be so bold to suggest, stadia could be a testers platform, where consumers can play the latest game as a trial for free. They ll just pay for the stadia service. Cuz it beats downloading the game but if you don t like it you d never have to pay for it. Example: if I see metro, and want to try it out before buying, I could play a trial version of the game on stadia, before buying it. I can just use my browser and play it. If I like it, I can buy it from the game creators and if I don t like it, no harm. But as you said, it is a big issue of digital games where the game stores just pull them off the net and all our money and game play is gone. If we buy it, we should have the game physically in some aspect, as a disk, or downloaded. I once bought Hawx from Ubisoft, and my game code was in my receipts in the Ubisoft mail, after a long time I wanted to install the game and went back to Ubisoft to check the code, there was no history of me buying it. ( but I found it in my mail, but the download link to get the game no longer works) These issues should not happen for some transaction that is done. We cannot get a refund for the pulled games.
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If may be so bold to suggest, stadia could be a testers platform, where consumers can play the latest game as a trial for free. They ll just pay for the stadia service. Cuz it beats downloading the game but if you don t like it you d never have to pay for it. Example: if I see metro, and want to try it out before buying, I could play a trial version of the game on stadia, before buying it. I can just use my browser and play it. If I like it, I can buy it from the game creators and if I don t like it, no harm. But as you said, it is a big issue of digital games where the game stores just pull them off the net and all our money and game play is gone. If we buy it, we should have the game physically in some aspect, as a disk, or downloaded. I once bought Hawx from Ubisoft, and my game code was in my receipts in the Ubisoft mail, after a long time I wanted to install the game and went back to Ubisoft to check the code, there was no history of me buying it. ( but I found it in my mail, but the download link to get the game no longer works) These issues should not happen for some transaction that is done. We cannot get a refund for the pulled games.
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Jon
Google are enjoying their dominance. For example with youtube premium where they paywall useful features for a monthly sub. Also you get to pay them to not show you adverts. In this you get to pay Google for the joy and privilege of buying games. a lot like consoles then. Google's marketing hype for this has been extraordinary and they haven't delivered on half the things. Its false advertising at its worse. The chromecast is decent at streaming youtube but no more than that and they sell a new chromecast just to stream games. I already have chromecast but currently they won't let you stream games on it. Even if i wasn't a PC gaming enthusiast with a high end PC I would not touch this at all with any money. The new consoles will release next year and Stadia will be long forgotten. I think they only released now to try and beat out the new console releases.
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Google are enjoying their dominance. For example with youtube premium where they paywall useful features for a monthly sub. Also you get to pay them to not show you adverts. In this you get to pay Google for the joy and privilege of buying games. a lot like consoles then. Google's marketing hype for this has been extraordinary and they haven't delivered on half the things. Its false advertising at its worse. The chromecast is decent at streaming youtube but no more than that and they sell a new chromecast just to stream games. I already have chromecast but currently they won't let you stream games on it. Even if i wasn't a PC gaming enthusiast with a high end PC I would not touch this at all with any money. The new consoles will release next year and Stadia will be long forgotten. I think they only released now to try and beat out the new console releases.
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Guest
Problem with this is that everything is in the cloud. This pretty much means no file editing, and no mods, and worse of all, once the game is discontinued/deleted, you can never play it again. But if you have your games on a SSD or HDD, you can play it any time, even games that have since been discontinued. Also Stadia, although is alright, it still requires really good internet if you want to play consistently, and requires a medium tier laptop level computer. Your 8 year old Intel HD computer with 2GB ram isn't going to play Stadia well. It won't cost you much to buy a half decent computer for under 500 dollars. Regular gaming is still better than Stadia and cloud streaming, as least right now. Maybe in the future this will work out
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Problem with this is that everything is in the cloud. This pretty much means no file editing, and no mods, and worse of all, once the game is discontinued/deleted, you can never play it again. But if you have your games on a SSD or HDD, you can play it any time, even games that have since been discontinued. Also Stadia, although is alright, it still requires really good internet if you want to play consistently, and requires a medium tier laptop level computer. Your 8 year old Intel HD computer with 2GB ram isn't going to play Stadia well. It won't cost you much to buy a half decent computer for under 500 dollars. Regular gaming is still better than Stadia and cloud streaming, as least right now. Maybe in the future this will work out
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Matt
I wanted to try Stadia for myself and was expecting to hate it after all the bad press, but honestly it s awesome. I ve had no problems, the quality is fantastic and I love being able to play on the TV, then move to PC or my surface Pro and pick up where I left off, in just a few clicks. To get the same quality in a game like RDR2 I d have to spend in hardware and forget playing on a mobile device. Another benefit I found is when playing on my Surface Pro the battery life I get is fantastic. The controller is great too, overall I m very happy and if you re on the fence give it a try.
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I wanted to try Stadia for myself and was expecting to hate it after all the bad press, but honestly it s awesome. I ve had no problems, the quality is fantastic and I love being able to play on the TV, then move to PC or my surface Pro and pick up where I left off, in just a few clicks. To get the same quality in a game like RDR2 I d have to spend in hardware and forget playing on a mobile device. Another benefit I found is when playing on my Surface Pro the battery life I get is fantastic. The controller is great too, overall I m very happy and if you re on the fence give it a try.
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desertrat810
Until us lowly consumers have access to quantum-entangled communication tech, latency-sensitive interactive streaming over the internet will NEVER work. It's against the current laws of physics. Even global+sat 5G+ can't process packets and signal faster than the speed of light. This is an AI/MI training service that the teacher(consumers) pays for IMO. Think of all the other tidbits of technology that were gleamed off all those failed (research) projects? This one is clearly worth them investing some.
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Until us lowly consumers have access to quantum-entangled communication tech, latency-sensitive interactive streaming over the internet will NEVER work. It's against the current laws of physics. Even global+sat 5G+ can't process packets and signal faster than the speed of light. This is an AI/MI training service that the teacher(consumers) pays for IMO. Think of all the other tidbits of technology that were gleamed off all those failed (research) projects? This one is clearly worth them investing some.
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MundMoriginal
I don't understand how game stream can generate enough revenue to sustain itself anyway. I mean, google needs one gaming pc per user who gets the game streamed, right? So even if they get cheaper prices duo to the huge amount of hardware google purchased, I'd guess it still costs at least 400-500 bucks per pc. So it would take years per user to have a single pc paid for, but before that, google already needed to upgrade their hardware, if they want to continue to offer 4k streaming with new titles.
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I don't understand how game stream can generate enough revenue to sustain itself anyway. I mean, google needs one gaming pc per user who gets the game streamed, right? So even if they get cheaper prices duo to the huge amount of hardware google purchased, I'd guess it still costs at least 400-500 bucks per pc. So it would take years per user to have a single pc paid for, but before that, google already needed to upgrade their hardware, if they want to continue to offer 4k streaming with new titles.
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Ryan
I just feel like there's no audience for this. If you're broke, you're looking at yesteryear's consoles and probably pre-owned, and that's not all bad. Save up a bit and you could land a XBox One for 180, and in both cases you have access to a much larger library. And anyone with medium money and up is going to either buy the console with the games they want, or buy a NUC, or build a Raspberry Pi, or build a PC. Or do pre-built. There are so many options that make more sense.
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I just feel like there's no audience for this. If you're broke, you're looking at yesteryear's consoles and probably pre-owned, and that's not all bad. Save up a bit and you could land a XBox One for 180, and in both cases you have access to a much larger library. And anyone with medium money and up is going to either buy the console with the games they want, or buy a NUC, or build a Raspberry Pi, or build a PC. Or do pre-built. There are so many options that make more sense.
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Dave
NASA Astronaut Don Pettit said: I'd go to the moon in a Nanosecond, The problem is we don't have the Technology to do that anymore. Interesting stuff from Nasa, And apparently google don't understand the concept of PLAYABLE latency, shit I don't even like playing a FPS anymore where the servers above 30ms, But never mind that they destroyed dedicated servers and this hybrid p2p rubbish. FPS is dead Stadia is a Joke or is Nasa a joke I don't know all liars/
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NASA Astronaut Don Pettit said: I'd go to the moon in a Nanosecond, The problem is we don't have the Technology to do that anymore. Interesting stuff from Nasa, And apparently google don't understand the concept of PLAYABLE latency, shit I don't even like playing a FPS anymore where the servers above 30ms, But never mind that they destroyed dedicated servers and this hybrid p2p rubbish. FPS is dead Stadia is a Joke or is Nasa a joke I don't know all liars/
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