Ask GN 110: How Will Intel Compete? 5 vs. 25 Case Fan Knock-Offs
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Date: 2020-05-06
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Rory
I was there with AMD when they went down the problem is a tech lead and AMD had the faster systems due to how they worked. I would think that AMD bought ATI for the chip design tech. the GPU is faster so I assume they took than and put this into a cpu. The current view point. with INTEL. Is the very same we had 14 years ago. the Intel does good video render and AMD good game but this is down to data weight and data Speed. Where we have some issues is WILL current computers be the same? If you take the GPU as a compute it does it really well, so if you broke this to data and gpu and say they have two cards one doing what it does best as will the other, then will you get a better system? if I had 226GT/s on a GPU and on the Data side, with the same as a link. then I would be a happy person, as a GPU Data storage controller would be rather fast and take away the problems which exist ( and did 14+ years ago. I never got the smaller core switches. it does become saturated and non function if I recall the tech side of things. so no not smaller, faster. now if im right, the die size would have to grow as to gap the switches allows them to be cooler. then if they did that they would need to have open die and cut silicon so that cooling could take place. SOCKETS! OMG I have got stung on this so many times, buy the latest thinking it will hold up to din it all changes a few months later. waste of my time and money (INTEL. Wow you go the long way. Things can be made. now a cheap does not mean correct so take a heat pipe, that can be smaller, longer etc etc, but to know what's best for cooling then they have to test it, engineering it and test again. So you go to go to a maker, you take your design, they go yes. they get stuff from X A and B and make a demo you test it and re check it. You get to Quality check the products. ( REALLY BIG THING) Then you have a boxer and a package designer then you have a marketer. The you ship, then contact buyers, do marketing and then sell. whole sale. now everyone makes a buck, and then the end user get it. Now Chepo, looks and copies something for the lowest price, then put it in a plain box and sells it to the consumer. end of. ( not testing, no quality (save for some who put a sticker on) hence the lower cost the higher failure rates and the DANGERS. something are really dangerous. [ I recall kids colouring pens having mercury in them. ] I thought you were well established back then. back in the HWA days if I recall. Video Crashed on me.
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I was there with AMD when they went down the problem is a tech lead and AMD had the faster systems due to how they worked. I would think that AMD bought ATI for the chip design tech. the GPU is faster so I assume they took than and put this into a cpu. The current view point. with INTEL. Is the very same we had 14 years ago. the Intel does good video render and AMD good game but this is down to data weight and data Speed. Where we have some issues is WILL current computers be the same? If you take the GPU as a compute it does it really well, so if you broke this to data and gpu and say they have two cards one doing what it does best as will the other, then will you get a better system? if I had 226GT/s on a GPU and on the Data side, with the same as a link. then I would be a happy person, as a GPU Data storage controller would be rather fast and take away the problems which exist ( and did 14+ years ago. I never got the smaller core switches. it does become saturated and non function if I recall the tech side of things. so no not smaller, faster. now if im right, the die size would have to grow as to gap the switches allows them to be cooler. then if they did that they would need to have open die and cut silicon so that cooling could take place. SOCKETS! OMG I have got stung on this so many times, buy the latest thinking it will hold up to din it all changes a few months later. waste of my time and money (INTEL. Wow you go the long way. Things can be made. now a cheap does not mean correct so take a heat pipe, that can be smaller, longer etc etc, but to know what's best for cooling then they have to test it, engineering it and test again. So you go to go to a maker, you take your design, they go yes. they get stuff from X A and B and make a demo you test it and re check it. You get to Quality check the products. ( REALLY BIG THING) Then you have a boxer and a package designer then you have a marketer. The you ship, then contact buyers, do marketing and then sell. whole sale. now everyone makes a buck, and then the end user get it. Now Chepo, looks and copies something for the lowest price, then put it in a plain box and sells it to the consumer. end of. ( not testing, no quality (save for some who put a sticker on) hence the lower cost the higher failure rates and the DANGERS. something are really dangerous. [ I recall kids colouring pens having mercury in them. ] I thought you were well established back then. back in the HWA days if I recall. Video Crashed on me.
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Homer
Steve man, power question for you. I'm thinking of buying a refrence RTX 2070 Super to run at stock, but I'd be running it on a Bitfeenix Formula 450 Gold, which is supposed to be a pretty good 450W unit from what I have read. In techpowerup's benchmarks they show reference 2070S consuming 220W peak in their gaming test, and 218W in Furmark. While anandtech's 2070 Super review shows total system draw at 302W in their gaming test and 314W total in their Furmark test, using a system with an i9-9900k. I'd be using it with a locked Xeon E3-1231v3 that consumes less power (Intel claims 80W for E3-1231v3. Also my PSU claims to be able to run a continuous 450W on the +12V rails, with each of the three +12V rails capable of handling 300W continuous power. Do I likely have enough headroom to where I'm not going to be tripping OPP, OCP, OVP, etc while using the gpu at full load, say playing Control with RTX high on? Or am I likely to run into power spikes that are going to overwhelm the 300W I can put on the +12V rail my gpu is on or the 450W I can safely draw with the entire system? Also, Puck PLS.
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Steve man, power question for you. I'm thinking of buying a refrence RTX 2070 Super to run at stock, but I'd be running it on a Bitfeenix Formula 450 Gold, which is supposed to be a pretty good 450W unit from what I have read. In techpowerup's benchmarks they show reference 2070S consuming 220W peak in their gaming test, and 218W in Furmark. While anandtech's 2070 Super review shows total system draw at 302W in their gaming test and 314W total in their Furmark test, using a system with an i9-9900k. I'd be using it with a locked Xeon E3-1231v3 that consumes less power (Intel claims 80W for E3-1231v3. Also my PSU claims to be able to run a continuous 450W on the +12V rails, with each of the three +12V rails capable of handling 300W continuous power. Do I likely have enough headroom to where I'm not going to be tripping OPP, OCP, OVP, etc while using the gpu at full load, say playing Control with RTX high on? Or am I likely to run into power spikes that are going to overwhelm the 300W I can put on the +12V rail my gpu is on or the 450W I can safely draw with the entire system? Also, Puck PLS.
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Dialectical
Intel got stuck at 14nm because they tried to make too large of a die density jump (2. 7x compared to their usual 2. 0x, and paid the price. The problem now is that chips are getting so small that DUV lithography is no longer sufficient to produce chips at high-volume manufacturing rates. That's why the 7nm chips are moving at least in part from DUV to EUV to avoid the expensive and time-consuming multipatterning. That said, everyone is going to run into issues with EUV; TSMC included. EUV is insanely, ridiculously difficult and ASML is supposedly only producing a limited number of EUV scanners in a given year. Even if you have them, powering them is an unbelievable task itself. The scanner itself weighs around 180 tons and uses a megawatt of power to run and 1600 liters of water running through it as coolant. The buildings themselves have to be reinforced so that the floors don't buckle from this infrastructure. If Intel can get EUV to work for their 7nm chips, they'll easily compete with TSMC and other fabs.
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Intel got stuck at 14nm because they tried to make too large of a die density jump (2. 7x compared to their usual 2. 0x, and paid the price. The problem now is that chips are getting so small that DUV lithography is no longer sufficient to produce chips at high-volume manufacturing rates. That's why the 7nm chips are moving at least in part from DUV to EUV to avoid the expensive and time-consuming multipatterning. That said, everyone is going to run into issues with EUV; TSMC included. EUV is insanely, ridiculously difficult and ASML is supposedly only producing a limited number of EUV scanners in a given year. Even if you have them, powering them is an unbelievable task itself. The scanner itself weighs around 180 tons and uses a megawatt of power to run and 1600 liters of water running through it as coolant. The buildings themselves have to be reinforced so that the floors don't buckle from this infrastructure. If Intel can get EUV to work for their 7nm chips, they'll easily compete with TSMC and other fabs.
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Quarnozian
23: 14 Here's some universal case manufacturer feedback. Step 1) Don't tether the front panel to the case with the front IO wiring. (Perfect Example, Fractal Design Define S. literally nothing attached to the front panel) Step 2) Make different front panels for the exact same case. (One could be silence focused, and another for airflow, and yet another with Tempered Glass) This is already commonly done with side panels. (Solid, Vented, Acrylic, Tempered Glass) Step 3) Sell them as different versions of the same case. but also sell the front panels standalone. I have a Define S, and if Fractal had made a Meshify panel for it, I would have gladly paid 20 for the panel. (which is a third of the price I paid for the entire case itself) I suppose Step 3 is also something case manufacturers could do for the different side panels. I'm not as zealous about that though. I like my solid black box. just wish it had better airflow.
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23: 14 Here's some universal case manufacturer feedback. Step 1) Don't tether the front panel to the case with the front IO wiring. (Perfect Example, Fractal Design Define S. literally nothing attached to the front panel) Step 2) Make different front panels for the exact same case. (One could be silence focused, and another for airflow, and yet another with Tempered Glass) This is already commonly done with side panels. (Solid, Vented, Acrylic, Tempered Glass) Step 3) Sell them as different versions of the same case. but also sell the front panels standalone. I have a Define S, and if Fractal had made a Meshify panel for it, I would have gladly paid 20 for the panel. (which is a third of the price I paid for the entire case itself) I suppose Step 3 is also something case manufacturers could do for the different side panels. I'm not as zealous about that though. I like my solid black box. just wish it had better airflow.
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ChaosHusky
I can do what Buildzoid can do, just not so great on video. As for AMD. First the FX series. Now 'chiplets'. Yet still now charging a premium not far off Intel and still have thermal issues so i don't think 14nm holds them back. It's more, like. everything! Board design, bus speeds, RAM, though let us not forget the programming quality and efficiency, optimization of the games etc running on them! cough Control cough Makes me laugh, Intel get hate for everything, including when they used multiple dies linked together. Or they get laughed at for adding cores. AMD can pretty much get away with murder and everyone forgets the IO Die inside Ryzen packages is still 14nm! Not to mention the damage due to their own boost clocks/voltage etc. And i've sat on my Intel board for 2 generations. Pff. Love that guy's old computer collection though. Mine's getting ridiculous!
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I can do what Buildzoid can do, just not so great on video. As for AMD. First the FX series. Now 'chiplets'. Yet still now charging a premium not far off Intel and still have thermal issues so i don't think 14nm holds them back. It's more, like. everything! Board design, bus speeds, RAM, though let us not forget the programming quality and efficiency, optimization of the games etc running on them! cough Control cough Makes me laugh, Intel get hate for everything, including when they used multiple dies linked together. Or they get laughed at for adding cores. AMD can pretty much get away with murder and everyone forgets the IO Die inside Ryzen packages is still 14nm! Not to mention the damage due to their own boost clocks/voltage etc. And i've sat on my Intel board for 2 generations. Pff. Love that guy's old computer collection though. Mine's getting ridiculous!
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Nemesis1ism
Intel doesn't have to do anything they lead on single core Ipc clock for clock with Ice lake. Tiger lake is double digit better IPC than Ice lake. INTEL did as they should. lap tops is higher margin than desk top. 2nd half Intel will have fastest desktop 10 cores or less cores. As it is Intel is selling every chip they can make. avx 512 in commercial space is bigger than you understand. 4 th quarter was great earnings. They did lose a little margins. Tiger lack is going to be big seller coming out mid year around same time as Xe. You did good on this video. You still need to open your mind more. Other than that Great video.
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Intel doesn't have to do anything they lead on single core Ipc clock for clock with Ice lake. Tiger lake is double digit better IPC than Ice lake. INTEL did as they should. lap tops is higher margin than desk top. 2nd half Intel will have fastest desktop 10 cores or less cores. As it is Intel is selling every chip they can make. avx 512 in commercial space is bigger than you understand. 4 th quarter was great earnings. They did lose a little margins. Tiger lack is going to be big seller coming out mid year around same time as Xe. You did good on this video. You still need to open your mind more. Other than that Great video.
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SolidGreenDay
But knock-offs don't last as long? I'm sure their lighting and fan itself will die out much quicker than lets say a corsair one. I would never recommend buying corsair's newer fans because they are way too much. Especially thermaltake's newer riing fans. I think the price of 20 and under for a case fan is where it is at depending on features. I'm not a noctua fanboy, but their fans are priced around 20. The rgb part, corsair has value due to their icue software which is crap, but it is not as crap as many other fans. I would prefer icue over many other softwares
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But knock-offs don't last as long? I'm sure their lighting and fan itself will die out much quicker than lets say a corsair one. I would never recommend buying corsair's newer fans because they are way too much. Especially thermaltake's newer riing fans. I think the price of 20 and under for a case fan is where it is at depending on features. I'm not a noctua fanboy, but their fans are priced around 20. The rgb part, corsair has value due to their icue software which is crap, but it is not as crap as many other fans. I would prefer icue over many other softwares
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Aaron
[Question] I've noticed from time to time in the past that some CPU workloads affect CPUs differently, specifically I have noticed on my laptop as well as my desktop that certain workloads will cause a CPU Current Limit Throttle state, as reported by Intel XTU, in which the total wattage will be limited to under the CPUs rated TDP(intel. The core voltages, clocks, and temps are all well under the maximums, but the Throttling is still real. What types of work loads cause this, and how are they different from a workload that would max out voltage, core clock, temps?
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[Question] I've noticed from time to time in the past that some CPU workloads affect CPUs differently, specifically I have noticed on my laptop as well as my desktop that certain workloads will cause a CPU Current Limit Throttle state, as reported by Intel XTU, in which the total wattage will be limited to under the CPUs rated TDP(intel. The core voltages, clocks, and temps are all well under the maximums, but the Throttling is still real. What types of work loads cause this, and how are they different from a workload that would max out voltage, core clock, temps?
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bumperxx1
Here's a good question? I know you guys have done extensive research On air flow in computer cases How about designing one yourself with maximum airflow potential? Example the new ROG Asus Vertical front mounted GPU And off angle motherboard computer case you had a lot to say about that And how it wasn't built Air flow efficiently This year at Ces 2020. Basically what I'm trying to say is how about Getting into product and design because you guys are on the ground level with the understanding of simple mechanics that are being overlooked
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Here's a good question? I know you guys have done extensive research On air flow in computer cases How about designing one yourself with maximum airflow potential? Example the new ROG Asus Vertical front mounted GPU And off angle motherboard computer case you had a lot to say about that And how it wasn't built Air flow efficiently This year at Ces 2020. Basically what I'm trying to say is how about Getting into product and design because you guys are on the ground level with the understanding of simple mechanics that are being overlooked
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kgrach
In the past, I don't know if they still do it. The ingot was round because to purify the silicone they would pass a heated ring around the tube melting the silicone with the only thing holding the melted silicone in place was the skin effect. The impurities would float to the top of the melted section and with the heated ring get drawn up to the top of the ingot where they would simply slice off the top removing all of the impurities. Also, it is easier to spin a disc allowing faster, easier coatings of materials.
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In the past, I don't know if they still do it. The ingot was round because to purify the silicone they would pass a heated ring around the tube melting the silicone with the only thing holding the melted silicone in place was the skin effect. The impurities would float to the top of the melted section and with the heated ring get drawn up to the top of the ingot where they would simply slice off the top removing all of the impurities. Also, it is easier to spin a disc allowing faster, easier coatings of materials.
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