AMD GPU VBIOS Flash Tutorial & Bricked Card Recovery Unlock Navi Performance
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Date: 2020-05-06
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At some point, you ve got to analyze time vs money spent for an experience as a way to help measure value. Let s say a person gets this card. If it works OOB and they don t have to flash anything and initial driver install goes well, then boom they saved some money and got a great card. Let s say a person doesn t have an ideal experience. They get a card that needs flashing, then the drivers don t work well, or at all for some. How many hours are they going to spend fixing the problem? Will it get fixed, even? If a person makes 10/hr, which imo is conservative for my arbitrary purpose, they d have to troubleshoot only 2-4 hours before they ve put themselves in 2060 territory, which works fine OOB. I m they can troubleshoot 5-7 hours and they re in 2060 Super territory. Or 5700XT territory where the same thing applies. I m not saying a person s time is only what they re making at their job, but it s a way to put perception on this. I m currently in an IT role for a municipality. I m interested in the AMD cards but I ve seen so many issues that I ll definitely just pay more and get the same frames, or pay the same and get a few less frames because I know I won t have to jack with it. I put the card in my case, boom I m playing games. No flashing. No DDU, no troubleshooting. My only concern will be failed QC of hardware which applies to everything everywhere. These cards are great if you get a good one. But they re equally ungreat if you don t.
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At some point, you ve got to analyze time vs money spent for an experience as a way to help measure value. Let s say a person gets this card. If it works OOB and they don t have to flash anything and initial driver install goes well, then boom they saved some money and got a great card. Let s say a person doesn t have an ideal experience. They get a card that needs flashing, then the drivers don t work well, or at all for some. How many hours are they going to spend fixing the problem? Will it get fixed, even? If a person makes 10/hr, which imo is conservative for my arbitrary purpose, they d have to troubleshoot only 2-4 hours before they ve put themselves in 2060 territory, which works fine OOB. I m they can troubleshoot 5-7 hours and they re in 2060 Super territory. Or 5700XT territory where the same thing applies. I m not saying a person s time is only what they re making at their job, but it s a way to put perception on this. I m currently in an IT role for a municipality. I m interested in the AMD cards but I ve seen so many issues that I ll definitely just pay more and get the same frames, or pay the same and get a few less frames because I know I won t have to jack with it. I put the card in my case, boom I m playing games. No flashing. No DDU, no troubleshooting. My only concern will be failed QC of hardware which applies to everything everywhere. These cards are great if you get a good one. But they re equally ungreat if you don t.
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VitGerivaz
I flashed a 5700 red dragon with the XT red dragon bios, I had to force it as the subsystem IDs were a mismatch. Mine ended in 2399, and the XT bios ended in 2398. The card is stable with the new bios, although performance increase was kinda low, about 4% on synthetic benchmarks. That being said I can now OC it much higher because I have the XT power limits. Auto OCing via adrenalin 2020 got me over 2000mhz core and performance got a nice bump with temps still being well within safe bounds. A warning though. I can't speak for other cards, but the PowerColor red dragon 5700 will lock your bios after you flash it once. I can no longer flash it back to the original 5700, even with the force command, I get a bios was not erased error. And it looks like I'm not the only one with this problem on this specific card. The card is 100% stable and works great, but just keep that in mind. I still have the dual bios switch with the other one being the 5700 silent bios, so I'm safe either way.
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I flashed a 5700 red dragon with the XT red dragon bios, I had to force it as the subsystem IDs were a mismatch. Mine ended in 2399, and the XT bios ended in 2398. The card is stable with the new bios, although performance increase was kinda low, about 4% on synthetic benchmarks. That being said I can now OC it much higher because I have the XT power limits. Auto OCing via adrenalin 2020 got me over 2000mhz core and performance got a nice bump with temps still being well within safe bounds. A warning though. I can't speak for other cards, but the PowerColor red dragon 5700 will lock your bios after you flash it once. I can no longer flash it back to the original 5700, even with the force command, I get a bios was not erased error. And it looks like I'm not the only one with this problem on this specific card. The card is 100% stable and works great, but just keep that in mind. I still have the dual bios switch with the other one being the 5700 silent bios, so I'm safe either way.
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Lupo
Timestamps for reference if you're coming back to this video and looking for a specific part quickly Note: Step 7 mentions running tests for the sake of validation before you start this process, but this isn't mentioned before step 1. Please watch the video all the way through on first watch so you don't miss this info 2: 11 Step 0: Disclaimers (VBIOS compatibility, increased power draw and thermals) 4: 48 Step 1: Download VBIOS from vendor's website 5: 08 Step 2: Download AMDVBFlash (link in description) 5: 18 Step 3: Check VBIOS switch position (if present) 6: 42 Step 4: Launch AMDVBFlash as administrator 6: 56 Step 5: Save the current VBIOS for recovery purposes 8: 04 Special Step: Failed flash recovery options 9: 31 Step 6: Select new VBIOS file, click Program --> restart system once done 9: 45 Step 7: Validate successful flash 11: 37 Special Step: Contact vendor if errors persist
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Timestamps for reference if you're coming back to this video and looking for a specific part quickly Note: Step 7 mentions running tests for the sake of validation before you start this process, but this isn't mentioned before step 1. Please watch the video all the way through on first watch so you don't miss this info 2: 11 Step 0: Disclaimers (VBIOS compatibility, increased power draw and thermals) 4: 48 Step 1: Download VBIOS from vendor's website 5: 08 Step 2: Download AMDVBFlash (link in description) 5: 18 Step 3: Check VBIOS switch position (if present) 6: 42 Step 4: Launch AMDVBFlash as administrator 6: 56 Step 5: Save the current VBIOS for recovery purposes 8: 04 Special Step: Failed flash recovery options 9: 31 Step 6: Select new VBIOS file, click Program --> restart system once done 9: 45 Step 7: Validate successful flash 11: 37 Special Step: Contact vendor if errors persist
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Mark
Nvidia are laughing at the mess Radeon Technologies Group have made for themselves. I love competition, but if Radeon had released this card firing on all cylinders, much more of public perception would be focused on the card s competitiveness and less on the trouble end-users have to endure. Playing second fiddle to Nvidia looks really bad, especially when, for the two Navi launches out of three which turned out to be competitive, Radeon had to make last-minute changes, either to software, firmware, pricing, or more than one of the above. I am not impressed with Radeon as a consumer, and I would be pretty frustrated with them as a board partner. I don t want to buy from Nvidia, but I don t want to buy from Radeon either. Guess I ll wait and see if anyone can release a price-to-performance competitive graphics card which is a decent upgrade from my 1060 and is not severely flawed.
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Nvidia are laughing at the mess Radeon Technologies Group have made for themselves. I love competition, but if Radeon had released this card firing on all cylinders, much more of public perception would be focused on the card s competitiveness and less on the trouble end-users have to endure. Playing second fiddle to Nvidia looks really bad, especially when, for the two Navi launches out of three which turned out to be competitive, Radeon had to make last-minute changes, either to software, firmware, pricing, or more than one of the above. I am not impressed with Radeon as a consumer, and I would be pretty frustrated with them as a board partner. I don t want to buy from Nvidia, but I don t want to buy from Radeon either. Guess I ll wait and see if anyone can release a price-to-performance competitive graphics card which is a decent upgrade from my 1060 and is not severely flawed.
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Joseph
AMD DID NOT create two video cards with one name, that is all on the OEM's and nothing else. To me, it seems these OEM's, probably PRO Nvidia ones, are trying to screw things up and they should not be supported, AT ALL, in anything. You say it is not your job and then you throw out an assertion that some OEM's will not provide a bios update. Ok, who? Which companies? Proof of that and once again, which companies, so we know who not to support with our wallet? I do not give two sh ts if it would hurt your reputation with these companies, show us the proof! Edit: Sorry for the confrontational attitude. That said, where is your proof that some will not provide an update and who, specifically?
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AMD DID NOT create two video cards with one name, that is all on the OEM's and nothing else. To me, it seems these OEM's, probably PRO Nvidia ones, are trying to screw things up and they should not be supported, AT ALL, in anything. You say it is not your job and then you throw out an assertion that some OEM's will not provide a bios update. Ok, who? Which companies? Proof of that and once again, which companies, so we know who not to support with our wallet? I do not give two sh ts if it would hurt your reputation with these companies, show us the proof! Edit: Sorry for the confrontational attitude. That said, where is your proof that some will not provide an update and who, specifically?
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Blahorga
It is mentioned that if there is no change in performance you may have to reinstall the driver, and that you may even have to DDU it. For anyone wondering DDU is short for Display Driver Uninstaller. A utility that was written to delete all traces of the display drivers, something the normal uninstall procedure won't do. This allows the driver installation do a completely clean installation which can sometimes clear up strange behavior. DDU can be downloaded from several sites, but personally I always go to guru3d. com, though I guess Wagnardsoft might be the official home for this utility as it is written by Ghislain Harvey aka Wagnard on the Guru3D forums.
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It is mentioned that if there is no change in performance you may have to reinstall the driver, and that you may even have to DDU it. For anyone wondering DDU is short for Display Driver Uninstaller. A utility that was written to delete all traces of the display drivers, something the normal uninstall procedure won't do. This allows the driver installation do a completely clean installation which can sometimes clear up strange behavior. DDU can be downloaded from several sites, but personally I always go to guru3d. com, though I guess Wagnardsoft might be the official home for this utility as it is written by Ghislain Harvey aka Wagnard on the Guru3D forums.
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Winston
Some cards will have that VBIOS available, with some partners splitting their 5600XT into two SKUs. .So it sounds like the performance VBIOS _will_ be available, you just have to reflash the subpar SKU's BIOS with the BIOS from the performance SKU. Basically, some AMD board partners want an extra 20-40 or whatever premium they're charging for a quick software patch to let you get all the performance out of your own hardware that you paid for. I'm not saying they're scamming people, but.
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Some cards will have that VBIOS available, with some partners splitting their 5600XT into two SKUs. .So it sounds like the performance VBIOS _will_ be available, you just have to reflash the subpar SKU's BIOS with the BIOS from the performance SKU. Basically, some AMD board partners want an extra 20-40 or whatever premium they're charging for a quick software patch to let you get all the performance out of your own hardware that you paid for. I'm not saying they're scamming people, but.
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joshua
Okay look, I love jay but his 5700 to 5700xt bios was kinda confusing. Urs was very very good (ik this is a diff card) but can you do the same for the 5700 cus my girlfriend's pc had this and I want to update the bios and just leave it. Maybe I will have to overcloack / under lock the card but after that I want to just leave it. You think you can do a very detailed video because I think a lot of people are starting to flash amd gpus!
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Okay look, I love jay but his 5700 to 5700xt bios was kinda confusing. Urs was very very good (ik this is a diff card) but can you do the same for the 5700 cus my girlfriend's pc had this and I want to update the bios and just leave it. Maybe I will have to overcloack / under lock the card but after that I want to just leave it. You think you can do a very detailed video because I think a lot of people are starting to flash amd gpus!
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Jimster480
While this video is definitely informative; I don't think the issue will be nearly as widespread as you are making it out to be. Most models are already shipping with new BIOS; and there only a few that aren't. Mfgs have made flashing quite easy from what you already described. It would only be a problem if MFG's don't flash the bios on purpose and make a second SKU themselves. Then they are the ones making the mess; not AMD.
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While this video is definitely informative; I don't think the issue will be nearly as widespread as you are making it out to be. Most models are already shipping with new BIOS; and there only a few that aren't. Mfgs have made flashing quite easy from what you already described. It would only be a problem if MFG's don't flash the bios on purpose and make a second SKU themselves. Then they are the ones making the mess; not AMD.
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pred
i dont think we can blame amd for creating 2 cards with the same name, thats down to the board partners taking advantage of the fact amd gave customers more for their money. i for 1 will be avoiding any board partner that takes advantage of this to charge more for the same thing. not making the updated bios available but charging more for an oc card which is really the same as stock from others is a real shitty move.
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i dont think we can blame amd for creating 2 cards with the same name, thats down to the board partners taking advantage of the fact amd gave customers more for their money. i for 1 will be avoiding any board partner that takes advantage of this to charge more for the same thing. not making the updated bios available but charging more for an oc card which is really the same as stock from others is a real shitty move.
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