Sapphire RX 5600 XT GPU Review & VBIOS Benchmarks: DOA Avoidance
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Date: 2020-05-06
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Royameadow
Navi to the 056th Power is exactly what it needed to be with the BIOS update: A Navi based card with gaming performance that not only retires Vega to the 056th Power, but also Vega to the 064th, given its price point, despite Radeon RX 5000 cards presently not having the ideal Workstation performance nor support that they ultimately need; as a result, Vega still has a major purpose on this front, especially Radeon VII and Radeon Pro Vega II (Duo, even when Big Navi/RadeoNII (Radeon Eleven/Radeon Navi II) comes out. It is clear that AMD is marketing Navi as the Gaming card, while Vega will still stick around for those who want to build a decent Workstation between I700 and 3000 USD (the former value being for a Vega 064/Ryzen 3900X build, the latter value obviously being for Video Production on Radeon VII with an Intel Core: X Series or Ryzen 3950X chip, with RAM and storage to spare, and especially with Radeon VII remaining as their Flagship even in the age of Navi (now at 0529. 99, on average, it shows us where AMD places pricing for what is High End and what is Mid Tier, hence why the 5600 XT is priced at Vega 056's level and 5700 XT is priced around where Vega 064 ranged at launch; with the 5600 XT now basically being a Navi based Vega 064, I wonder how they will handle the 5500 XT's performance through a BIOS update, and though I'm not expecting near Vega 056 performance, that card, especially given that there's an 08 GB option and the 5600 XT doesn't have one at all, truly needs to be better, getting creamed by all of GTX 1600/TU116 does not look good for AMD on the lower end and they need to fix the troubles with it before it becomes more of a disaster than it already is.
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Navi to the 056th Power is exactly what it needed to be with the BIOS update: A Navi based card with gaming performance that not only retires Vega to the 056th Power, but also Vega to the 064th, given its price point, despite Radeon RX 5000 cards presently not having the ideal Workstation performance nor support that they ultimately need; as a result, Vega still has a major purpose on this front, especially Radeon VII and Radeon Pro Vega II (Duo, even when Big Navi/RadeoNII (Radeon Eleven/Radeon Navi II) comes out. It is clear that AMD is marketing Navi as the Gaming card, while Vega will still stick around for those who want to build a decent Workstation between I700 and 3000 USD (the former value being for a Vega 064/Ryzen 3900X build, the latter value obviously being for Video Production on Radeon VII with an Intel Core: X Series or Ryzen 3950X chip, with RAM and storage to spare, and especially with Radeon VII remaining as their Flagship even in the age of Navi (now at 0529. 99, on average, it shows us where AMD places pricing for what is High End and what is Mid Tier, hence why the 5600 XT is priced at Vega 056's level and 5700 XT is priced around where Vega 064 ranged at launch; with the 5600 XT now basically being a Navi based Vega 064, I wonder how they will handle the 5500 XT's performance through a BIOS update, and though I'm not expecting near Vega 056 performance, that card, especially given that there's an 08 GB option and the 5600 XT doesn't have one at all, truly needs to be better, getting creamed by all of GTX 1600/TU116 does not look good for AMD on the lower end and they need to fix the troubles with it before it becomes more of a disaster than it already is.
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Ephruz
Artificial limitations on overclocking do not tickle my fancy. If you disable this on all the cards, then all the cards would benefit and you now have a product stack that could punch a little higher than they used to. You could then eliminate the models that would end in 50XT (assuming they would ever exist in the first place) or even models that end in 00 (non-XT) and have cards that basically tickle the underbelly of the card above them when you overclock. Alternatively, if they know something we do not and one of the cards overclocks extremely well, then it would require a lot less effort on AMD's part to make a card that competes with NVIDIA's higher tier offerings, which is even more perplexing because why would you not want a card to do that? I have to complain about NVIDIA too. If they can just drop price after price like this, have they been - probably to a lesser degree than intel - capitalizing off their lack of competition and selling us hardware with mediocre performance per dollar relative to what could be? Probably yes, but to what degree before I choose to be mad at them or not?
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Artificial limitations on overclocking do not tickle my fancy. If you disable this on all the cards, then all the cards would benefit and you now have a product stack that could punch a little higher than they used to. You could then eliminate the models that would end in 50XT (assuming they would ever exist in the first place) or even models that end in 00 (non-XT) and have cards that basically tickle the underbelly of the card above them when you overclock. Alternatively, if they know something we do not and one of the cards overclocks extremely well, then it would require a lot less effort on AMD's part to make a card that competes with NVIDIA's higher tier offerings, which is even more perplexing because why would you not want a card to do that? I have to complain about NVIDIA too. If they can just drop price after price like this, have they been - probably to a lesser degree than intel - capitalizing off their lack of competition and selling us hardware with mediocre performance per dollar relative to what could be? Probably yes, but to what degree before I choose to be mad at them or not?
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Canadi-ent
Thank you Steve for investigating the radeon drivers. There's more problems then those you list and I would love to see a video that really details this and forces AMD's hand a bit. Did you know that the vega cards cant play HDR netflix? I wanted to use my radeon vii to double as an htpc but cant send a 4k hdr blueray to a television. Playready 3. 0 was talked about in 2018 for the vega cards. Blackscreens caused from desktop programs that use gpu acceleration (I refuse to believe a fix for that is to disable the feature you buy a gpu for) Run a 20 minute benchmark no problem, quit that and open firefox and blackscreen, reboot, reset wattman settings. Inconsistant random screen flickers while on a static webpage or the desktop, sometimes twice a day, sometimes every 20 seconds. I'd be perfectly happy with my card if it could just be stable.
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Thank you Steve for investigating the radeon drivers. There's more problems then those you list and I would love to see a video that really details this and forces AMD's hand a bit. Did you know that the vega cards cant play HDR netflix? I wanted to use my radeon vii to double as an htpc but cant send a 4k hdr blueray to a television. Playready 3. 0 was talked about in 2018 for the vega cards. Blackscreens caused from desktop programs that use gpu acceleration (I refuse to believe a fix for that is to disable the feature you buy a gpu for) Run a 20 minute benchmark no problem, quit that and open firefox and blackscreen, reboot, reset wattman settings. Inconsistant random screen flickers while on a static webpage or the desktop, sometimes twice a day, sometimes every 20 seconds. I'd be perfectly happy with my card if it could just be stable.
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Black
With Nvidia being a giant company that focuses almost entirely on GPU's and has plenty of experience and plenty of employees to devote to driver development then I would assume that AMD doesn't have as big of an army to devote to driver development. I'm not defending the drivers. That's just my assumption. However. AMD has been doing pretty good recently. With the extra revenue they are getting now I am hopeful that they will have more resources and staff to devote to driver and GPU development. That's what I hope anyway. The only problem I have ever had with AMD drivers is fan issues that were easy for me to fix. But that's just me. Within the last few years AMDs Kung-Fu has gotten stronger. But the Gamers Nexus community are very knowledgeable and more experienced than I. So I am interested in hearing what you guys think
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With Nvidia being a giant company that focuses almost entirely on GPU's and has plenty of experience and plenty of employees to devote to driver development then I would assume that AMD doesn't have as big of an army to devote to driver development. I'm not defending the drivers. That's just my assumption. However. AMD has been doing pretty good recently. With the extra revenue they are getting now I am hopeful that they will have more resources and staff to devote to driver and GPU development. That's what I hope anyway. The only problem I have ever had with AMD drivers is fan issues that were easy for me to fix. But that's just me. Within the last few years AMDs Kung-Fu has gotten stronger. But the Gamers Nexus community are very knowledgeable and more experienced than I. So I am interested in hearing what you guys think
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JCTiggs
It's obvious AMD needs to bring in new people who know proper marketing and business strategies. Hello AMD. You're swimming in billions of dollars from Ryzen success not to mention providing the exclusive CPU/GPU for both next gen systems (again. PC graphics cards are still over priced. There's a LOT of stock on store shelves right now, from the 5500 up to the 5700 XT. Reduce ALL these 5000 series cards by 125 USD effective immediately. You'll take a slight loss initially but you'll gain hundreds of thousands of new and existing customers buying into your current graphics card lineup. You're not going to entice existing nvidia owners by simply having a slight discount on GPU's that offer similar performance. It has to be a massive difference in price. Let's see how Nvidia deals with that.
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It's obvious AMD needs to bring in new people who know proper marketing and business strategies. Hello AMD. You're swimming in billions of dollars from Ryzen success not to mention providing the exclusive CPU/GPU for both next gen systems (again. PC graphics cards are still over priced. There's a LOT of stock on store shelves right now, from the 5500 up to the 5700 XT. Reduce ALL these 5000 series cards by 125 USD effective immediately. You'll take a slight loss initially but you'll gain hundreds of thousands of new and existing customers buying into your current graphics card lineup. You're not going to entice existing nvidia owners by simply having a slight discount on GPU's that offer similar performance. It has to be a massive difference in price. Let's see how Nvidia deals with that.
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Numberless
I'm not sure if it was windows being a pos or not but, I have the powercolor 5700xt dual fan (not red dragon) and had a black screen issue in Shadow of war on the title screen and the system wouldn't show picture again for more than a couple minutes at a time until after I took out and re-seated the gpu (I cleaned the pins with 91% isopropyl alcohol when I did this) Even after doing that Shadow of war was unplayable and was locking up. I looked into it and found that windows could have been the cause of at least some of my frustration because at the time wndows had a bug that made some users experience unplayable frame rates on that particular windows update. After updating I thankfully have had no issues.
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I'm not sure if it was windows being a pos or not but, I have the powercolor 5700xt dual fan (not red dragon) and had a black screen issue in Shadow of war on the title screen and the system wouldn't show picture again for more than a couple minutes at a time until after I took out and re-seated the gpu (I cleaned the pins with 91% isopropyl alcohol when I did this) Even after doing that Shadow of war was unplayable and was locking up. I looked into it and found that windows could have been the cause of at least some of my frustration because at the time wndows had a bug that made some users experience unplayable frame rates on that particular windows update. After updating I thankfully have had no issues.
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gektor
For a month, a new BIOS. Raised by 10. I changed the BIOS 3 times the laptop 2012. 2010 development. 0 result. Acer. Expected SATA 3. SATA 2 is. Gigabyte 2 times Athlon. New BIOS. 2010 comp. Expected SATA 3. SATA 2 is. Nonsense. 41-45 years. 1 billion people by 2020. A person fell in price in 7 times. 7 mrld. person For a new PC every 2 years. New BIOS every month. An increase of 10. Cameras and supercomputers are profitable. It is unprofitable to save people. Fire. 10 burned. PC bought at the expense of saving 10 people. the Choice is simple PC new for 1 million rubles or 10 Uzbeks. The PCs selected all. The PC is cheaper and the card. Bloggers for PC.
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For a month, a new BIOS. Raised by 10. I changed the BIOS 3 times the laptop 2012. 2010 development. 0 result. Acer. Expected SATA 3. SATA 2 is. Gigabyte 2 times Athlon. New BIOS. 2010 comp. Expected SATA 3. SATA 2 is. Nonsense. 41-45 years. 1 billion people by 2020. A person fell in price in 7 times. 7 mrld. person For a new PC every 2 years. New BIOS every month. An increase of 10. Cameras and supercomputers are profitable. It is unprofitable to save people. Fire. 10 burned. PC bought at the expense of saving 10 people. the Choice is simple PC new for 1 million rubles or 10 Uzbeks. The PCs selected all. The PC is cheaper and the card. Bloggers for PC.
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Forbes
I've had my gigabyte gaming oc version for a few months now. The updates fixed some problems. I still get random fan problems. Sometimes the fans don't spin until I change a setting and apply. System fans ramp up and green screen of death. Then I know its the fans not spinning. Sometimes the radeon software resets itself back to default and I crash out of the program I'm running. Using afterburner helps but only after setting radeon profiles to manual and enabling every option. I'm getting better at trouble shooting the errors. Just wish it wouldn't crash so much that I have to.
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I've had my gigabyte gaming oc version for a few months now. The updates fixed some problems. I still get random fan problems. Sometimes the fans don't spin until I change a setting and apply. System fans ramp up and green screen of death. Then I know its the fans not spinning. Sometimes the radeon software resets itself back to default and I crash out of the program I'm running. Using afterburner helps but only after setting radeon profiles to manual and enabling every option. I'm getting better at trouble shooting the errors. Just wish it wouldn't crash so much that I have to.
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Chay
Just bought the 5600xt Sapphire Pulse for 218 once it gave the discounts for the game codes which I'll just sell and end up upgrading for 150 rounded cost which is NUTS. I have a 1060 3gb. I was saving for the 2060s but I can't agree to pay 425 which is a 270+ difference for me. with no games or anything. The difference on average for the 2060s to the 5600xt is about 13% from a Hardware boxed video which isn't justified since I play older games. Go 5600xt xD I'll update this once I see if i'll end up with Driver issues: /
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Just bought the 5600xt Sapphire Pulse for 218 once it gave the discounts for the game codes which I'll just sell and end up upgrading for 150 rounded cost which is NUTS. I have a 1060 3gb. I was saving for the 2060s but I can't agree to pay 425 which is a 270+ difference for me. with no games or anything. The difference on average for the 2060s to the 5600xt is about 13% from a Hardware boxed video which isn't justified since I play older games. Go 5600xt xD I'll update this once I see if i'll end up with Driver issues: /
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MoKTiger0o
Wow it's almost like AMD knew NVIDIA would drop the price and so released a new bios at the last second to make the card competitive. its so lucky that they just happened to put an 8-pin connector so the card could exceed 150W. Also so lucky that the card runs at basically the same thermals. Gosh, almost like AMD was sick and tired of the NVIDIA price game so they stuck an ace up their sleeve. Sorry - I know team green is gonna put me in my place - but imo AMD just beat NVIDIA at their own game.
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Wow it's almost like AMD knew NVIDIA would drop the price and so released a new bios at the last second to make the card competitive. its so lucky that they just happened to put an 8-pin connector so the card could exceed 150W. Also so lucky that the card runs at basically the same thermals. Gosh, almost like AMD was sick and tired of the NVIDIA price game so they stuck an ace up their sleeve. Sorry - I know team green is gonna put me in my place - but imo AMD just beat NVIDIA at their own game.
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