HW News - New 4000 AMD GPUs, Intel Competes with V-Cache, Zen 5 Leaks
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i know when I upgraded my R5 3600 I didn't really need more threads, I only bought because the 5700x was on sale for dirt cheap and now? Even when video editing I have so much power it isn't even funny and paired with 32GB of RAM the slowest thing when it comes to my PC is me as it waits for me to come up with work for all those cores. I mean sure smaller nodes are nice and all, but when half my CPU at any one time is usually idle do I REALLY need even more?
Date: 2023-04-17
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Diner50
The Linked In leaks are hard to say. People searching for a new job due to being fired or just to get a promotion? Ofc they want to list what they have worked on to make there job opportunities better. It can be in a messed up way good that people dare to say what they are working on even if not announced by a company yet without some BS where your being screwed over due to a company silencing you.
I mean if Intel or whatever care to keep there workers from talking about something they do in there work carrier? Maybe they also should make sure that carrier advancement do not hinge on being hired by someone else on the merits of said carrier.
If your capable of working on Zen6 or whatever you sure should market yourself with it even now it is yet to be announced even. Being by law shut up? When worker loyalty is completely a thing of the passed? They have to make themselves as appealing as possible to someone offering them a better paying and carrier advancing position. Even Lisa Su now at AMD did not climb the ranks of AMD. She also jump from job to job by carrier merits.
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The Linked In leaks are hard to say. People searching for a new job due to being fired or just to get a promotion? Ofc they want to list what they have worked on to make there job opportunities better. It can be in a messed up way good that people dare to say what they are working on even if not announced by a company yet without some BS where your being screwed over due to a company silencing you.
I mean if Intel or whatever care to keep there workers from talking about something they do in there work carrier? Maybe they also should make sure that carrier advancement do not hinge on being hired by someone else on the merits of said carrier.
If your capable of working on Zen6 or whatever you sure should market yourself with it even now it is yet to be announced even. Being by law shut up? When worker loyalty is completely a thing of the passed? They have to make themselves as appealing as possible to someone offering them a better paying and carrier advancing position. Even Lisa Su now at AMD did not climb the ranks of AMD. She also jump from job to job by carrier merits.
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Jila
Just ordered new systems, everything times 2 : Z790 Tomahawk, i5 13600K, 2x32GB RAM, MSI GeForce RTX 4070 VENTUS 3X 12G OC, 7TB storage across 2x NVMe + 1x SATA SSD (4TB).
You can say the 4070 can't match the 3080, but that is not what made me choose this card. Its energy consumption did.
In March 2023, 0,61 per kWh on average in the Netherlands.
Our systems are running 16 hours a day, work and play.
Keeping an eye on energy consumption is priority.
ps. Coming from a 2014 system (Z97, i7-4770K, GTX1070 (2016), 16GB DDR3), the new systems are an enormous step UP.
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Light bleeding through a wall : Satisfactory could also use some of that fix, building a structure of 12 meter deep and 320 meter high, shows sunlight on the bottom. Nothing game breaking, but it is weird. The sun should be right above for that to happen, which it isn't.
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Just ordered new systems, everything times 2 : Z790 Tomahawk, i5 13600K, 2x32GB RAM, MSI GeForce RTX 4070 VENTUS 3X 12G OC, 7TB storage across 2x NVMe + 1x SATA SSD (4TB).
You can say the 4070 can't match the 3080, but that is not what made me choose this card. Its energy consumption did.
In March 2023, 0,61 per kWh on average in the Netherlands.
Our systems are running 16 hours a day, work and play.
Keeping an eye on energy consumption is priority.
ps. Coming from a 2014 system (Z97, i7-4770K, GTX1070 (2016), 16GB DDR3), the new systems are an enormous step UP.
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Light bleeding through a wall : Satisfactory could also use some of that fix, building a structure of 12 meter deep and 320 meter high, shows sunlight on the bottom. Nothing game breaking, but it is weird. The sun should be right above for that to happen, which it isn't.
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Jeffrey
RTX VSC...
It has its place, but I wouldn't get too excited. I've done a LOT of experimentation with programs like Topaz Video AI and in general AI upscaling just makes video overall WORSE. It's most obvious on FACES where you can get too much enhancement making faces just look weird and unnatural. There's a reason experts tell you to just turn off all the AI enhancement crap in modern TV's. Things like DENOISING tend to remove detail so you lose unwanted grain but also the wanted wrinkles etc... where it works really well is things like CARTOONS as denoising and edge enhancement work well for obvious reasons... in all fairness I haven't actually TESTED this as I don't own an RTX card but I have no reason to think the underlying tech is better, or even as good considering it's got to work in real-time.
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RTX VSC...
It has its place, but I wouldn't get too excited. I've done a LOT of experimentation with programs like Topaz Video AI and in general AI upscaling just makes video overall WORSE. It's most obvious on FACES where you can get too much enhancement making faces just look weird and unnatural. There's a reason experts tell you to just turn off all the AI enhancement crap in modern TV's. Things like DENOISING tend to remove detail so you lose unwanted grain but also the wanted wrinkles etc... where it works really well is things like CARTOONS as denoising and edge enhancement work well for obvious reasons... in all fairness I haven't actually TESTED this as I don't own an RTX card but I have no reason to think the underlying tech is better, or even as good considering it's got to work in real-time.
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B34k
Thickness need to be measured in mm, not slots. It's so infuriating when you've got a SFF case and you know what mm are compatible, then you go research GPUs and they're all in slots . The conversion is actually pretty easy, 1 slot = 20mm, but, to the point about 2.56 slots, a lot of times the manufacturer will say something like 2.5 slots , but that could be 50mm, 52mm 53mm, or even 48mm. So It's impossible to know what's compatible just by the reading specs sheets. Someone has to have physically measured and tested the card for case compatibility.
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Thickness need to be measured in mm, not slots. It's so infuriating when you've got a SFF case and you know what mm are compatible, then you go research GPUs and they're all in slots . The conversion is actually pretty easy, 1 slot = 20mm, but, to the point about 2.56 slots, a lot of times the manufacturer will say something like 2.5 slots , but that could be 50mm, 52mm 53mm, or even 48mm. So It's impossible to know what's compatible just by the reading specs sheets. Someone has to have physically measured and tested the card for case compatibility.
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Diner50
Bryan Del RIzzo retiring as NV Launches 4070Ti and 4060's just recently? Sure that have nothing to do with retiring... Jacob Freeman have no possible way to be ready for the he possibly is getting himself into being hired by NV. Clearly by the comments about Jacob he is just too good for the position. It dose not matter if Jacob have been a 'partner' of NV for 10+ years. There is no way NVIDIA is not going to eat him alive. Jensen clearly needs YES people around him and the beloved Green. Green as in .
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Bryan Del RIzzo retiring as NV Launches 4070Ti and 4060's just recently? Sure that have nothing to do with retiring... Jacob Freeman have no possible way to be ready for the he possibly is getting himself into being hired by NV. Clearly by the comments about Jacob he is just too good for the position. It dose not matter if Jacob have been a 'partner' of NV for 10+ years. There is no way NVIDIA is not going to eat him alive. Jensen clearly needs YES people around him and the beloved Green. Green as in .
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Mike
The Hangul (Korean lettering) on the Gigabyte card, on what would be facing outward in a standard horozontal installation, next to the English Gigabyte lettering does get about as close to saying GIGABYTE as the Hangul lettering and pronouciation will allow. As for the backplate, it looks like a bunch of random Hangul letter groups, that really don't make any sense whatsoever. I spent a little over 2 years in South Korea when I was stationed there while serving in the US Army.
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The Hangul (Korean lettering) on the Gigabyte card, on what would be facing outward in a standard horozontal installation, next to the English Gigabyte lettering does get about as close to saying GIGABYTE as the Hangul lettering and pronouciation will allow. As for the backplate, it looks like a bunch of random Hangul letter groups, that really don't make any sense whatsoever. I spent a little over 2 years in South Korea when I was stationed there while serving in the US Army.
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kissfan003
I still get a knot in my gut re: EVGA. I switched to team Red.. Hoping Sapphire is as good as I read from a customer support perspective... Are any of the existing ISB's customer support anywhere near EVGA was? Everything I read (it's in the interwebs so it has to be true) is that the rest are all about the same, crappy... The only other graphics card I have owned was an ASUS 2070. It died and was RMA'd. Didn't have a bad experience, but it wasn't even close to EVGA.
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I still get a knot in my gut re: EVGA. I switched to team Red.. Hoping Sapphire is as good as I read from a customer support perspective... Are any of the existing ISB's customer support anywhere near EVGA was? Everything I read (it's in the interwebs so it has to be true) is that the rest are all about the same, crappy... The only other graphics card I have owned was an ASUS 2070. It died and was RMA'd. Didn't have a bad experience, but it wasn't even close to EVGA.
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Plamen
Thanks for the news. I will be interested to see how Nvidia video super resolution compares with MadVR's NGU upscaling (or even NNEDI3), from what I have seen so far it seems quite bad compares to everything else so far, honestly I'm not sure why it gets so much mainstream attention, good quality upscalers existed for years on PC, but almost nobody cared. Is it all marketing stunt or something?
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Thanks for the news. I will be interested to see how Nvidia video super resolution compares with MadVR's NGU upscaling (or even NNEDI3), from what I have seen so far it seems quite bad compares to everything else so far, honestly I'm not sure why it gets so much mainstream attention, good quality upscalers existed for years on PC, but almost nobody cared. Is it all marketing stunt or something?
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Faladrin
If you had a card that was something like 2.2 slots wide I could understand why you want to say 2.2 and not just say 3. At 2.2 you might slot something else in that third slot, so it might matter. By 2.5 I think it's very unlikely you'd ever manage to slot a card in that third slot, but.... I mean maybe? But more than that just say 3. And yeah.. .never go to a third decimal. Why? just why.
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If you had a card that was something like 2.2 slots wide I could understand why you want to say 2.2 and not just say 3. At 2.2 you might slot something else in that third slot, so it might matter. By 2.5 I think it's very unlikely you'd ever manage to slot a card in that third slot, but.... I mean maybe? But more than that just say 3. And yeah.. .never go to a third decimal. Why? just why.
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benni_w_
I actually like the huge graphics cards, because that way you can configure them to be extremely quiet without watercooling - which absolutely I love. But I agree that that's probably not what the majority of users is after and that most buyers just want a normal sized card that doesn't sag as badly, fit's better and is cheaper.
So there should definitely be both options.
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I actually like the huge graphics cards, because that way you can configure them to be extremely quiet without watercooling - which absolutely I love. But I agree that that's probably not what the majority of users is after and that most buyers just want a normal sized card that doesn't sag as badly, fit's better and is cheaper.
So there should definitely be both options.
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Mr.
The GPU market is stratified by process node these days. Too-fast roadmaps hyper focused on small numbers instead of the end products. That's fine for people with stacks of cash but as Steam Hardware Survey indicates, that market is a minority of total sales. AMD and Intel have a real opportunity here to focus on those segments to erode Nvidia's share.
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The GPU market is stratified by process node these days. Too-fast roadmaps hyper focused on small numbers instead of the end products. That's fine for people with stacks of cash but as Steam Hardware Survey indicates, that market is a minority of total sales. AMD and Intel have a real opportunity here to focus on those segments to erode Nvidia's share.
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coochie
I'm really excited to see what comes from Intel's L4 cache. I saw a video by Iceberg Tech benchmarking the 5775C Broadwell chip with- and without the eDRAM enabled and some games showed up to a 35% improvement in average FPS with the L4 cache. Not to say such a performance increase is guaranteed for Meteor Lake but it's definitely a cool prospect.
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I'm really excited to see what comes from Intel's L4 cache. I saw a video by Iceberg Tech benchmarking the 5775C Broadwell chip with- and without the eDRAM enabled and some games showed up to a 35% improvement in average FPS with the L4 cache. Not to say such a performance increase is guaranteed for Meteor Lake but it's definitely a cool prospect.
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Digital_Jedi
GN covering a product I have a hand in is something I've always wanted to see. I knew it was a matter of time after I started as a CPU test engineer, but Meteor Lake is something very special. We actually have architects from the Broadwell era still around and they have been contributing a lot to the project. That's about all I can say.
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GN covering a product I have a hand in is something I've always wanted to see. I knew it was a matter of time after I started as a CPU test engineer, but Meteor Lake is something very special. We actually have architects from the Broadwell era still around and they have been contributing a lot to the project. That's about all I can say.
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Random
I just fking hate measuring card thickness with slot . If it happens to be integer slot numbers, fine; what the non-sense of 2.56 slots, give us the exact mm measurements or even in freedom unit, plain and simple. Especially a card like dual which will attract a lot of interest from SFF builders, case compatibility are mostly measured in mm.
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I just fking hate measuring card thickness with slot . If it happens to be integer slot numbers, fine; what the non-sense of 2.56 slots, give us the exact mm measurements or even in freedom unit, plain and simple. Especially a card like dual which will attract a lot of interest from SFF builders, case compatibility are mostly measured in mm.
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