Lian Li Ultra High-Perf Coolers, Fan Engineering, & New SUP-01 Cases, ft. CEO
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When I switched to an AIO, I wanted the Lian Li product but I regret that I talked myself out of it: Only in stock where the price was significantly inflated and reportedly all Corsair products have good support under Linux. The Corsair has proprietary connectors throughout including a mandatory IDE-like connector that doesn't like to stay seated when installing/managing cables. Oh, and while the RGB is well supported (after getting a Windows machine to upgrade firmware), manual control of the fans and water temp through Linux sensors not so much.
I won't make that mistake in future. Open standards for an open future.
Date: 2023-06-01
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AirIUnderwater
I will say this for LianLi. 20 years ago, before PC gaming was the way it was, no case was easy to work with. Every case was plastic and steel. LianLi released a case with a very innovative, tool-less PCI system, as well as an almost 100% aluminum construction. For my brothers and me, who were big into PC gaming, who wanted custom fan setup, liquid cooling, etc. Having this aluminum case was amazing. All of a sudden we could drill holes wherever we wanted for fan mounts, for reservoirs, for lines. It even had a removable HDD bracket.
Seeing LianLi grow and seeing their CEO here answering questions and just standing by their work has been superb.
Up until Fractal released the Torrent and Meshify I used nothing but LianLi cases. And my next build will probably be right back on a LianLi case as well.
Props!
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I will say this for LianLi. 20 years ago, before PC gaming was the way it was, no case was easy to work with. Every case was plastic and steel. LianLi released a case with a very innovative, tool-less PCI system, as well as an almost 100% aluminum construction. For my brothers and me, who were big into PC gaming, who wanted custom fan setup, liquid cooling, etc. Having this aluminum case was amazing. All of a sudden we could drill holes wherever we wanted for fan mounts, for reservoirs, for lines. It even had a removable HDD bracket.
Seeing LianLi grow and seeing their CEO here answering questions and just standing by their work has been superb.
Up until Fractal released the Torrent and Meshify I used nothing but LianLi cases. And my next build will probably be right back on a LianLi case as well.
Props!
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Krismate
I'm not that into the LCD on the fans too much but the reversed fan blades (fan mounting on the front side) is something I've been asking for/wanting for a long time. So many popular cases like the o11 dynamic, with the bottom and front side fans used as intakes, always bugged me how I'm forced to see the rear of the fan, which is often just ugly to look at. Even with some of the nicer fans, that have the little brushed aluminum round stickers/plates in the center and LEDs on the rear-side (like Corsair QL-series fans) still doesn't look that great simply due to the plastic mount for the fan still being visible. I wonder if there are any plans to offer reverse fan blade orientations on their other fan products too?
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I'm not that into the LCD on the fans too much but the reversed fan blades (fan mounting on the front side) is something I've been asking for/wanting for a long time. So many popular cases like the o11 dynamic, with the bottom and front side fans used as intakes, always bugged me how I'm forced to see the rear of the fan, which is often just ugly to look at. Even with some of the nicer fans, that have the little brushed aluminum round stickers/plates in the center and LEDs on the rear-side (like Corsair QL-series fans) still doesn't look that great simply due to the plastic mount for the fan still being visible. I wonder if there are any plans to offer reverse fan blade orientations on their other fan products too?
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Blargh
As interesting as the SUP is, it feels a little... over-engineered? Instead of going dual chamber and forcing the use of an AIO, why not just make the side panels on either side of the GPU mesh with mounts for slim fans, so it can immediately eject the hot air out the sides, and have the top fan mounts be the intakes providing some fresh air to the VRMs and tower cooler (if any).
Downside would probably be losing the ability to put in a 360 radiator, but a possible fix is to sell an additional fan bracket and mesh side panel replacement for the part over the CPU side that can mount a 360 (or three more intake fans if the user wants to go with a low profile cooler and turn the top fans into exhausts instead).
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As interesting as the SUP is, it feels a little... over-engineered? Instead of going dual chamber and forcing the use of an AIO, why not just make the side panels on either side of the GPU mesh with mounts for slim fans, so it can immediately eject the hot air out the sides, and have the top fan mounts be the intakes providing some fresh air to the VRMs and tower cooler (if any).
Downside would probably be losing the ability to put in a 360 radiator, but a possible fix is to sell an additional fan bracket and mesh side panel replacement for the part over the CPU side that can mount a 360 (or three more intake fans if the user wants to go with a low profile cooler and turn the top fans into exhausts instead).
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David
It's always surprising to me how many of the CEOs are actually engineers. It's kind of a mixed bag having an engineer as your CEO.
On the plus side, you have a boss that understands what you're doing on a technical level so there are less miscommunications on target goals and expectations.
The down side is you have a boss that thinks like an engineer. Most engineers I know are less interested in cost considerations and more interested in making sure it works as intended. I personally admire that, I'd rather it be well engineered and pay a little more, but you do end up with a tendency toward over engineering , which in some cases is freaking awesome, but if you're looking for a budget buy? Not so much.
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It's always surprising to me how many of the CEOs are actually engineers. It's kind of a mixed bag having an engineer as your CEO.
On the plus side, you have a boss that understands what you're doing on a technical level so there are less miscommunications on target goals and expectations.
The down side is you have a boss that thinks like an engineer. Most engineers I know are less interested in cost considerations and more interested in making sure it works as intended. I personally admire that, I'd rather it be well engineered and pay a little more, but you do end up with a tendency toward over engineering , which in some cases is freaking awesome, but if you're looking for a budget buy? Not so much.
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Yeahsure
I like the front mounted GPU idea. It would be cool if it had a full divider between it and the mobo. Obviously, a rubber grommet would be needed to run the cables through, but that could easily be designed to wrap around the cables to restrict airflow between the chambers. The card could pull in air from outside of the case and exhaust out of the sides through the fin stacks assuming it's not a flow through card. Then the rest of the case could be cooled with top and bottom mounted fans that exhaust from bottom to top. I imagine that would be a great setup for an air cooled system. GPU air wouldn't be mixed with hot air comming off the mobo or processor cooler.
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I like the front mounted GPU idea. It would be cool if it had a full divider between it and the mobo. Obviously, a rubber grommet would be needed to run the cables through, but that could easily be designed to wrap around the cables to restrict airflow between the chambers. The card could pull in air from outside of the case and exhaust out of the sides through the fin stacks assuming it's not a flow through card. Then the rest of the case could be cooled with top and bottom mounted fans that exhaust from bottom to top. I imagine that would be a great setup for an air cooled system. GPU air wouldn't be mixed with hot air comming off the mobo or processor cooler.
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Carbon
With a lot of stagnation in years past, it's good to see real competition for meaningful performance this year rather than outright cosmetics. I'd always wondered why no one did a front mount GPU, though most of the GPUs I've ever had primarily exhaust out the rear of the card, which with top-mount exhaust would still be rather beneficial. I'm still a function over form person and RGB is more of a distraction, but I get it for those that like it. At any rate, these cases are a nice mix of both worlds with reasonably decent engineering.
Add: Almost forgot, are the rads single pass or dual? Looks like a stout motor on the pump.
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With a lot of stagnation in years past, it's good to see real competition for meaningful performance this year rather than outright cosmetics. I'd always wondered why no one did a front mount GPU, though most of the GPUs I've ever had primarily exhaust out the rear of the card, which with top-mount exhaust would still be rather beneficial. I'm still a function over form person and RGB is more of a distraction, but I get it for those that like it. At any rate, these cases are a nice mix of both worlds with reasonably decent engineering.
Add: Almost forgot, are the rads single pass or dual? Looks like a stout motor on the pump.
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Vens
Never questioned quality and engineering at Lian Li. If anything, they are slightly on the safer side of the business. Very rational. I would love to see slightly more risk taking with designs. But then it's their money to risk. Or their market segment of choice. So can't exactly blame either.
And to be fair at least SUP 01 design looks interesting and fresh. Finally not a double fat two chamber case. It's focused. Doesn't try to ride 2 horses at once for show. Engineered.
May look at it closer at some point, except I wouldn't use RGB on the back. Or 6 fans. Or full size ATX. And there we go...
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Never questioned quality and engineering at Lian Li. If anything, they are slightly on the safer side of the business. Very rational. I would love to see slightly more risk taking with designs. But then it's their money to risk. Or their market segment of choice. So can't exactly blame either.
And to be fair at least SUP 01 design looks interesting and fresh. Finally not a double fat two chamber case. It's focused. Doesn't try to ride 2 horses at once for show. Engineered.
May look at it closer at some point, except I wouldn't use RGB on the back. Or 6 fans. Or full size ATX. And there we go...
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Julie
I love my LanCool with the hinged glass. As shown here these modern cases have glass panels that require so much strength and care, they are just not for me.
But then there was the new Fans with the LCD screens. Now that is my Lian Li. Oh and Steve never asked, but where can I get that Perspex case that was being features at the end. That would be a super option. I know it is display/show only and probably scratches. But come on that is what I want. A clear perspex box that shows off everything. Happy to test it for you Lian Li.
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I love my LanCool with the hinged glass. As shown here these modern cases have glass panels that require so much strength and care, they are just not for me.
But then there was the new Fans with the LCD screens. Now that is my Lian Li. Oh and Steve never asked, but where can I get that Perspex case that was being features at the end. That would be a super option. I know it is display/show only and probably scratches. But come on that is what I want. A clear perspex box that shows off everything. Happy to test it for you Lian Li.
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Dil
About 8 years ago, I'd foolishly thought we'd reached peak PC case design, right before everything became all airflow-starved glass boxes. Lately I've been seeing so many creative case designs and that fact that a majority of them are airflow focused is fantastic.
The competition in this space is genuinely insane now and anyone shopping for a case will be spoiled for choice. You guys sold me on the Lancool II Mesh for my new build and I couldn't be happier. Praise be to GN for helping bring back performance-oriented cases.
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About 8 years ago, I'd foolishly thought we'd reached peak PC case design, right before everything became all airflow-starved glass boxes. Lately I've been seeing so many creative case designs and that fact that a majority of them are airflow focused is fantastic.
The competition in this space is genuinely insane now and anyone shopping for a case will be spoiled for choice. You guys sold me on the Lancool II Mesh for my new build and I couldn't be happier. Praise be to GN for helping bring back performance-oriented cases.
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Mech
Nice concept with the front mounted GPU, but that GPU is going to get super dusty in a carpeted room. It is the first point of contact for air movement into the case so it will stay cooler =) ...but if you are cleaning out a dust filter every month or two...well...with this case every month now you can spend extra time removing and dusting your GPU too LOL. Having an additional removable dust filter in front of the GPU would be a better idea for most long term builds...even if it reduces airflow a bit. =)
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Nice concept with the front mounted GPU, but that GPU is going to get super dusty in a carpeted room. It is the first point of contact for air movement into the case so it will stay cooler =) ...but if you are cleaning out a dust filter every month or two...well...with this case every month now you can spend extra time removing and dusting your GPU too LOL. Having an additional removable dust filter in front of the GPU would be a better idea for most long term builds...even if it reduces airflow a bit. =)
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Elliott
Definitely Jameson and the lian-li crew are always one step forward, is incredible how lian-li is staying fresh every year, even when other brans made their own version of the D011 and the unifans, also thanks for listening your customers. You finally removed the bar between the glasses haha, probably i'll uppgrade my D011 to the 011RGB
All love to Lian-Li, one of the best PC brands out there, i'm huge fan of their products
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Definitely Jameson and the lian-li crew are always one step forward, is incredible how lian-li is staying fresh every year, even when other brans made their own version of the D011 and the unifans, also thanks for listening your customers. You finally removed the bar between the glasses haha, probably i'll uppgrade my D011 to the 011RGB
All love to Lian-Li, one of the best PC brands out there, i'm huge fan of their products
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mofoq
shoving the power supply out
shoot, reminds me of my ol' PC-65 with the PSU extension...the ol' PE-01 extension.
I miss those types of anodized aluminum, Made in Taiwan Lian-Li cases (don't get me wrong, I like the LAN Cool series as well as the O11's)
I hope they do some sort of NAS-friend case build...perhaps something that can take standard Supermicro drive sleds ('cuz I got a metric sh!t-ton of those things)
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shoving the power supply out
shoot, reminds me of my ol' PC-65 with the PSU extension...the ol' PE-01 extension.
I miss those types of anodized aluminum, Made in Taiwan Lian-Li cases (don't get me wrong, I like the LAN Cool series as well as the O11's)
I hope they do some sort of NAS-friend case build...perhaps something that can take standard Supermicro drive sleds ('cuz I got a metric sh!t-ton of those things)
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Im1CrazyCow
So cool to see Jameson Back, That is why I like Lian Li & EVGA the CEO actually Cartes enough to BE THERE and that Speaks Volumes as a Consumer!! Ok onto the AIO.......Finally someone did 45 connectors to the RAD it is something i wish came out years ago! Lastly THANK GOD y'all did 140 Fans with reversible I cant wait to get those 140 White Infinity Fans to try in the New Vision Case in White !!!
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So cool to see Jameson Back, That is why I like Lian Li & EVGA the CEO actually Cartes enough to BE THERE and that Speaks Volumes as a Consumer!! Ok onto the AIO.......Finally someone did 45 connectors to the RAD it is something i wish came out years ago! Lastly THANK GOD y'all did 140 Fans with reversible I cant wait to get those 140 White Infinity Fans to try in the New Vision Case in White !!!
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Chris
I ve actually been quite sad with my lian li fans my third one is starting to go bad within a year or so. That equates to roughly 33% of my lian li fans I have purchased have had problems and failed. Quite disheartening with how loved and respected these fans are to have so many of them fail and be problematic. Unfortunate as they re so aesthetically pleasing, and very convenient with how they link.
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I ve actually been quite sad with my lian li fans my third one is starting to go bad within a year or so. That equates to roughly 33% of my lian li fans I have purchased have had problems and failed. Quite disheartening with how loved and respected these fans are to have so many of them fail and be problematic. Unfortunate as they re so aesthetically pleasing, and very convenient with how they link.
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