Intel Says Not to Say LGA1851 or Z890 - MSI vs. ASUS Features & X870E Boards
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Date: 2024-06-05
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josuad6890
You know what I'm liking these new focus of ease of installation features, and while at it, let me throw my own idea too. Put your NVME socket next to the RAM, please. Just like those X670E Gene boards, but maybe change the interface a bit so you don't cross ASUS' patents.
Why next to the RAM you may ask Well, because usually, NVME slots right now are located right above the GPU, and RIGHT BEHIND THE GPU. Those placements are awkward as hell. Above the GPU means that if you use a big aircooler, you have to take the air cooler off to reach that NVME slot, and the same goes to behind the GPU slot, gotta remove the GPU to reach the slot. So once you've built the system, once the SSD acts up or you want to upgrade for higher capacity for example, well, tough luck, hope you like spending another 30 minutes disassembling stuff for that. ASRock just announced their mobos that have NVME slot beside the RAM, but sadly it's just a single NVME slot, not 2 like ASUS. So yeah, mobo vendors, please do this, and please stop putting stuff in hard to reach areas once the system has been built.
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You know what I'm liking these new focus of ease of installation features, and while at it, let me throw my own idea too. Put your NVME socket next to the RAM, please. Just like those X670E Gene boards, but maybe change the interface a bit so you don't cross ASUS' patents.
Why next to the RAM you may ask Well, because usually, NVME slots right now are located right above the GPU, and RIGHT BEHIND THE GPU. Those placements are awkward as hell. Above the GPU means that if you use a big aircooler, you have to take the air cooler off to reach that NVME slot, and the same goes to behind the GPU slot, gotta remove the GPU to reach the slot. So once you've built the system, once the SSD acts up or you want to upgrade for higher capacity for example, well, tough luck, hope you like spending another 30 minutes disassembling stuff for that. ASRock just announced their mobos that have NVME slot beside the RAM, but sadly it's just a single NVME slot, not 2 like ASUS. So yeah, mobo vendors, please do this, and please stop putting stuff in hard to reach areas once the system has been built.
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chris6ix.
I'm really not a fan of MOBO companies adding all these Quick Release things. They are just unnecessary for most people as you will only need them once, when you build the PC, and maybe again 5 years later when you pull smth out of the PC to use in the next PC (Such as drives).
Meanwhile, they increase the price of already too expensive boards even more. I want affordable boards that have all the features I need and look nice, not overpriced boards that have every gimmick under the sun that I will maybe use once in my life.
Features like these make sense for super high-end professional overclocking boards (The $500 ones) etc that reviewers like you use to test hardware, because you actually need to swap hardware a lot, but for 99% of users this is just an overpriced gimmick.
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I'm really not a fan of MOBO companies adding all these Quick Release things. They are just unnecessary for most people as you will only need them once, when you build the PC, and maybe again 5 years later when you pull smth out of the PC to use in the next PC (Such as drives).
Meanwhile, they increase the price of already too expensive boards even more. I want affordable boards that have all the features I need and look nice, not overpriced boards that have every gimmick under the sun that I will maybe use once in my life.
Features like these make sense for super high-end professional overclocking boards (The $500 ones) etc that reviewers like you use to test hardware, because you actually need to swap hardware a lot, but for 99% of users this is just an overpriced gimmick.
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wesc98034
If the twin blade fan is more diffuse wouldn't that create less directed airflow into a cooler that's in series with it That segment seems to contradict itself.
'If you have a fan up front and it's able to direct airflow in as straight a path as possible you're going to have a lot better time getting it into a cooler' .. except you just said this design makes that less direct and more diffuse and the provided animation shows this too.
'..a tornado which then diffuses in the backend as opposed to just directing it more in a straight path'. So by your and the manufacturers statements this fan design is specifically bad at directing air into a cooler
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If the twin blade fan is more diffuse wouldn't that create less directed airflow into a cooler that's in series with it That segment seems to contradict itself.
'If you have a fan up front and it's able to direct airflow in as straight a path as possible you're going to have a lot better time getting it into a cooler' .. except you just said this design makes that less direct and more diffuse and the provided animation shows this too.
'..a tornado which then diffuses in the backend as opposed to just directing it more in a straight path'. So by your and the manufacturers statements this fan design is specifically bad at directing air into a cooler
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snipermerc
I haven't bought anything MSI since 2008. Baring that I do enjoy the new stuff about chipsets n such coming out. The ease of use/install stuff, doesn't really thrill me in the least, I built my rig 3 years ago and have never removed the video card or the NVME drives even once... I think I'd prefer the much simpler screw install on things and never have to worry about anything just popping loose. Now having said all that, I'm sure there are people that swap hardware a lot and would definitely benefit from those features. Thanks Steve. :) BTW, Might be moving to NC in next couple years, looking around Waxhaw. :)
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I haven't bought anything MSI since 2008. Baring that I do enjoy the new stuff about chipsets n such coming out. The ease of use/install stuff, doesn't really thrill me in the least, I built my rig 3 years ago and have never removed the video card or the NVME drives even once... I think I'd prefer the much simpler screw install on things and never have to worry about anything just popping loose. Now having said all that, I'm sure there are people that swap hardware a lot and would definitely benefit from those features. Thanks Steve. :) BTW, Might be moving to NC in next couple years, looking around Waxhaw. :)
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selteewhite3017
On my retro PC I have motherboard made by IBM with 775 socket and pentium dual core. It has lever for GPU pci-e on the bottom part and you can reach it only if you use single slot GPU. I have 660 ti installed there and to remove the videocard I need to take my door keys and push out pci-e pin directly out of the videocard lock, on the top of the mount. And when I see that modern society now needs buttons to unplug videocards ... I feel everything is lost. Soon people will need special tools or robots to unplug power cable motherboard connectors.
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On my retro PC I have motherboard made by IBM with 775 socket and pentium dual core. It has lever for GPU pci-e on the bottom part and you can reach it only if you use single slot GPU. I have 660 ti installed there and to remove the videocard I need to take my door keys and push out pci-e pin directly out of the videocard lock, on the top of the mount. And when I see that modern society now needs buttons to unplug videocards ... I feel everything is lost. Soon people will need special tools or robots to unplug power cable motherboard connectors.
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Tainted-Soul
May be they didnt want you to see it because its still the old socket LOL If MSI want to make the M.2 better make it so you dont have to remove the GPU to get to any one of them !. the first one is ok but the other 3 under the big plate if you want to change just one is a pain in the ass to remove the GPU and the big plate why just have small plates / heatsinks just over each M.2 ease of access is important over looks sometimes.
the new Ram modal look cool but needs better guides as it looked scary trying not to bend pins.
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May be they didnt want you to see it because its still the old socket LOL If MSI want to make the M.2 better make it so you dont have to remove the GPU to get to any one of them !. the first one is ok but the other 3 under the big plate if you want to change just one is a pain in the ass to remove the GPU and the big plate why just have small plates / heatsinks just over each M.2 ease of access is important over looks sometimes.
the new Ram modal look cool but needs better guides as it looked scary trying not to bend pins.
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vgamesx1
Honestly the camm thing is perfectly fine, although you can mix and match ram sticks generally you want matching pairs anyway for the best compatibility and performance, meaning you kinda have the same problem regardless with DDR, no matter the upgrade you'll probably buy at least 2 of the same sticks unless you're like me and just don't care what you pair up, so long term camm might actually be a good thing because you'll always just need 1 stick and becomes maybe a little cheaper.
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Honestly the camm thing is perfectly fine, although you can mix and match ram sticks generally you want matching pairs anyway for the best compatibility and performance, meaning you kinda have the same problem regardless with DDR, no matter the upgrade you'll probably buy at least 2 of the same sticks unless you're like me and just don't care what you pair up, so long term camm might actually be a good thing because you'll always just need 1 stick and becomes maybe a little cheaper.
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gamersnexus
GamersNexus I love the first few minutes of this video. I was ROTFLMAO the whole time with all the leaked info being plastered all over the screen. Asfor the new features on the MSI boards I hope that i am not the only one to notice that the Ease of installation feature Has now become a single point of failure where if a spring breaks you are going to have a hell of a time getting your graphics card out not to mention the M.2 drives. So yeah nice job there MSI.
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GamersNexus I love the first few minutes of this video. I was ROTFLMAO the whole time with all the leaked info being plastered all over the screen. Asfor the new features on the MSI boards I hope that i am not the only one to notice that the Ease of installation feature Has now become a single point of failure where if a spring breaks you are going to have a hell of a time getting your graphics card out not to mention the M.2 drives. So yeah nice job there MSI.
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Bluelagoonstudios
CAMM2 is interesting for water cooling reasons, for me that's already a thing. Beautiful boards as well. But High-end prices as well, I assume I expected it would be available on desktop boards a lot later in time. What I found very informative is for the first time vendors gave numbers for installing CPU coolers with a momentum, the Noctua, 0.3Nm For DIY builders this becomes a problem, but for the industry these are important values.
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CAMM2 is interesting for water cooling reasons, for me that's already a thing. Beautiful boards as well. But High-end prices as well, I assume I expected it would be available on desktop boards a lot later in time. What I found very informative is for the first time vendors gave numbers for installing CPU coolers with a momentum, the Noctua, 0.3Nm For DIY builders this becomes a problem, but for the industry these are important values.
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12tman12
I guess it's a look, but never understand why case makers keep putting slabs of plastic on the front blocking the fans. I'm not a RGB person myself, but even I like the full mesh front with the fan lights lit up. Enough that I don't bother to turn them off (they just chance colour depending on CPU temps). And with the amount of heat my new 7900xtx radiates out, I'm freaking happy I chose my case yeas ago for that open mesh design.
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I guess it's a look, but never understand why case makers keep putting slabs of plastic on the front blocking the fans. I'm not a RGB person myself, but even I like the full mesh front with the fan lights lit up. Enough that I don't bother to turn them off (they just chance colour depending on CPU temps). And with the amount of heat my new 7900xtx radiates out, I'm freaking happy I chose my case yeas ago for that open mesh design.
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XDSDDLord
You shouldn't be able to patent a cable tied to a latch; that's ridiculous. I really appreciate the accessibility and ease of installation that motherboard vendors are finally adding. Thanks to these innovations, people who couldn't build computers before might be able to in the future. It is sad that these innovations could have been done years ago if not for the fact that hardware vendors decided to dump billions into LED R&D.
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You shouldn't be able to patent a cable tied to a latch; that's ridiculous. I really appreciate the accessibility and ease of installation that motherboard vendors are finally adding. Thanks to these innovations, people who couldn't build computers before might be able to in the future. It is sad that these innovations could have been done years ago if not for the fact that hardware vendors decided to dump billions into LED R&D.
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phoenix7289
This CAMM2 stuff is really neat. I will move to that platform likely as soon as I am reliably able to. It would make fitting in my favorite air cooler, the NH-D15 (maybe gen 2, coming soon!) a lot easier without having to worry about not having memory that is too tall. Really liking these new ideas we are seeing! CAMM2 will be available from other motherboard manufacturers of course, right
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This CAMM2 stuff is really neat. I will move to that platform likely as soon as I am reliably able to. It would make fitting in my favorite air cooler, the NH-D15 (maybe gen 2, coming soon!) a lot easier without having to worry about not having memory that is too tall. Really liking these new ideas we are seeing! CAMM2 will be available from other motherboard manufacturers of course, right
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gamersnexus
Never did understand hiding parts you're going to see. Like, i get keeping secrets for the proper unveiling, but it's a pin socket. I highly doubt it's going to be different enough for most of the viewers to even notice the details, because they're all in the board, not the socket. Lmao. Is reverse engineering and bootleg manufacturing really to this level D to doubt...
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Never did understand hiding parts you're going to see. Like, i get keeping secrets for the proper unveiling, but it's a pin socket. I highly doubt it's going to be different enough for most of the viewers to even notice the details, because they're all in the board, not the socket. Lmao. Is reverse engineering and bootleg manufacturing really to this level D to doubt...
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KeithZim
All jokes aside Intel just got $50 Billion of our money, is a defense contractor who must exist at all costs, and who also can't work with a very long list of companies because of said defense contracts.. Intel simply does not have to worry about being a viable company as long as Uncle Sam is happy. AMD will be for sale before Intel dies...
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All jokes aside Intel just got $50 Billion of our money, is a defense contractor who must exist at all costs, and who also can't work with a very long list of companies because of said defense contracts.. Intel simply does not have to worry about being a viable company as long as Uncle Sam is happy. AMD will be for sale before Intel dies...
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essentialone1
the way things are going with mobo designs its taking away the build experience of putting things together, i like screwing things into place, i like to have options to upgrade like adding extra ram and colour matching etc, i don't want a pc built in 5 mins i like to take time to enjoy, and the new memory dont look astatically pleasing
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the way things are going with mobo designs its taking away the build experience of putting things together, i like screwing things into place, i like to have options to upgrade like adding extra ram and colour matching etc, i don't want a pc built in 5 mins i like to take time to enjoy, and the new memory dont look astatically pleasing
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stormrider01
I think this new push button for the pcie slot is nonsens and unnecesary. It makes only the board more expensive for a thing that is been used only once or twice in the lifetime of the board.
R&D and the engineers must be payed for this. I rather prefere that the board will cost 50 bucks less than having this button.
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I think this new push button for the pcie slot is nonsens and unnecesary. It makes only the board more expensive for a thing that is been used only once or twice in the lifetime of the board.
R&D and the engineers must be payed for this. I rather prefere that the board will cost 50 bucks less than having this button.
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ealtar
i 'm going to say this on just about every coimputex video
8 DIMM/stick of RAM motherboards, there is no need for 6 m.2 ssds there is no need for the rgb/stickers/engravings
you wanna sell me a board that is 300 8dimms ddr5 , 2 ssds gen5 m.2 , 1 full gen 5 pcie for gpu ........... it's not that hard people !!!
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i 'm going to say this on just about every coimputex video
8 DIMM/stick of RAM motherboards, there is no need for 6 m.2 ssds there is no need for the rgb/stickers/engravings
you wanna sell me a board that is 300 8dimms ddr5 , 2 ssds gen5 m.2 , 1 full gen 5 pcie for gpu ........... it's not that hard people !!!
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kendil22
For me, intel is basically dead anyway. AMD's offerings are more power efficient and often perform as well or better. My Gigabyte x670e motherboard is having issues so when the x870's come out I'll probably pickup something from msi to replace it. I banned Asus years ago and I never really cared for Asrock.
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For me, intel is basically dead anyway. AMD's offerings are more power efficient and often perform as well or better. My Gigabyte x670e motherboard is having issues so when the x870's come out I'll probably pickup something from msi to replace it. I banned Asus years ago and I never really cared for Asrock.
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Dark_Jaguar
All these giant cooling plates and flush connections even for RAM... we're nearing the very bottom of Moore's law here aren't we All that's left is for interference to get too great for PCI-E slots to cut it and we end up having to lay those flat on the motherboard, and then we're done and cooked.
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All these giant cooling plates and flush connections even for RAM... we're nearing the very bottom of Moore's law here aren't we All that's left is for interference to get too great for PCI-E slots to cut it and we end up having to lay those flat on the motherboard, and then we're done and cooked.
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General_M
2:35 aw man I want that. Since I have a DH15 in my computer, I have to use a screwdriver to press on the veeeery small amount of the PCIe release that is visible to get my 4080FE out of the slot. Not that I need to take it out often, but it would still be nice to have for when I'd need it.
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2:35 aw man I want that. Since I have a DH15 in my computer, I have to use a screwdriver to press on the veeeery small amount of the PCIe release that is visible to get my 4080FE out of the slot. Not that I need to take it out often, but it would still be nice to have for when I'd need it.
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